Really boils the blood...

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by brick, May 2, 2006.

  1. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    Just put on the thick skin.

    I did see afew that did run higher than normal psi. in that thread.

    I only run the tires up to max psi on the sidewall. I let 2 psi out of the rears on the Civic this week. Was getting getting off I-44 west onto hwy 75 south the other day. Its a old clover leaf type interchange. The expansion joints are very bad in the corner leading to the on ramp to 75 south. The on ramp its self is very short over the top of a over pass. I looked and saw a line of traffic as far as the eye could see. I had no choice but to lay the coals to the Civic and dig her in hard on that curve. With the higher psi in the rear tires the rear end started drifting out because of the expansion joint bumps. Wife just hung on and stated " I guess we arent hypermiling this corner are we." I refuse to stop at on ramps. Took the same corner hard yesterday and it stayed planted a whole lot better. So it looks like 44 psi front and 42 psi rear.
  2. tbaleno

    tbaleno Well-Known Member

    I couldn't resist. I responded to the thread.

    I'm doomed to get flamed.
  3. philmcneal

    philmcneal Has it been 10 years? Wow

    you may just saved me tom ;)

    hm although my car's recommends 30 30 for both front and rear i was considering doing a 2 front psi bias (kinda like what the toyota prius does) i wonder what was the science behind it?
  4. gonavy

    gonavy Well-Known Member

    the science behind higher pressure in the tires?

    lowered rolling resistance- higher pressure allows the tire to maintain a more circular shape, deforming less. That deformation is the source of a lot of the RR. It also reduces the tread footprint/contact surface.

    fwiw, The sticker says 32/32 for the HAH. I run 40/38.

    back to our regularly scheduled thread...
  5. philmcneal

    philmcneal Has it been 10 years? Wow

    no i meant for the 2 psi bais for the front? I guess because the front has more weight? and the back has less? but why!?!
  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Phil:

    ___The F/R weight bias is exactly why many Prius II drivers run the 2 # delta from front to rear. Dan did tell me while on our way to the Tour Del Sol the bias was supposedly supposed to help reduce a shimmy while in turbulant air flow as well?

    ___Good Luck

    Last edited: May 16, 2006
  7. tbaleno

    tbaleno Well-Known Member

    Is there any point in that delta? I would think it would have to do with load carrying capacity and that the front would more psi to accomodate the engine weight. I would think once you went above the front psi then it wouldn't realy matter.
  8. philmcneal

    philmcneal Has it been 10 years? Wow

  9. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

  10. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger


    Noticed that the person annoying you posted a poll on my 3.5 day vacation on a Honda vs. Prius owners' rivalry. Hybrid sales are just 1% of the market - it's idotic to have hybrid drivers at each other.
  11. tigerhonaker

    tigerhonaker Platinum Contributor

    I think that there is not many that realize what you just said. We are the minority in the Bigger Picture.
  12. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    Yeah, I noticed that. It's silly but when I read the responses it doesn't look like anybody really buys it. I don't think the OP is truly serious about it, anyway.
  13. philmcneal

    philmcneal Has it been 10 years? Wow,45824.0.html

    boo canadians bashing me once again!

    on the positive side wayne gets press!

  14. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Phil:

    ___I read your thread and although I would like to get in there and do some serious talk, it’s just not worth it. Might I suggest a less confrontational approach? Like I can give advice out on that ;) Instead of running into a dry forest and throwing matches around, just post a segment or two’s drive and the interested will follow. They do not understand how tire pressures at or above MAX sidewall benefit more then just RR or how ABS and braking act in a FAS, and/or PS act in IG-II w/ ICE-Off, nor do some have an idea as to the synchro’s in the MT work while in a NICE-On while moving or not by the looks of it? I can sometimes be a bit aggressive in the various forums as well but in DriveAccord for example, I try to post with a toned response knowing most are only receiving ½ the FE on average and are a bit ticked off about fuel prices in general. Just take it a bit slower with the gear heads and they will come around eventually or live with their rigs while spewing double the emissions and spending twice as much on fuel. It is still their choice and no matter how much we would all love to change their habits and ways, it has got to come from within. Or until gas rationing arrives sometime in the distant future and they will be looked upon harshly for driving in-efficiently while out on the road.

    ___Thanks for the Tour Del Sol link. It looks like the auto sites are grabbing onto the Tour’s press release not knowing what Dan I received in the 2 separate events?

    ___Good Luck

    Last edited: May 16, 2006
  16. Hot Georgia

    Hot Georgia Well-Known Member

    Phil, it's too bad people can be that way. Too bad the attitude is rampant.
    I hope to post over at that Canadan site later this evening if the registration proccess goes through.

    Makes me wonder if people run their winter thermostat up to 95 becuase they like it that way?
    Then complain about heating cost?
    Guess if they turned it down to 68 degrees their pipes would freeze, right? :rolleyes:
  17. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Come to think of it, at least a few Canucks have been notorious for going very fast. :D

    I might register and attempt to talk some logic to them. ;)
  18. philmcneal

    philmcneal Has it been 10 years? Wow

    ugh dont bother they even grabbed some of my posts and even used my avatar agaist me.

    Its almost like the story I was telling about the SUV lady, she was the one that deserved to speed up and stop at a red light....

    I'm losing faith again, but then again its expected when people pick your weakest points and throw it right back at you. Even though the main topic at hand was something else from the very beggining.

    Like a teenage person would say, "Whatever."

    And I break a few laws, but they make it sound like I'm hardcore badass and I"m going to murder someone someday. Like Wayne said, no more matches I'm sick of it instead of people actually trying to argue and discuss my points in a intelligent matter instead of turning it into a "lets point at the fuel economy loser! and pick out any weak points that he may have and throw it back at him so he never hypermiles or drives again! Don't need another bitch like him driving on our roads."

    Very discouraging, I dunno I'm just... well my friend had some good advice:

    Indeed I need to look for an audience that really cares. But one post did catch my eye...

    hm i think i'll drop it now. But the truth is, my son loved every single ride I took him. Although most the time he passes out what a bugger!
    Last edited: May 17, 2006
  19. Hot Georgia

    Hot Georgia Well-Known Member

    Phil, I really hate their all-too-common attitude.
    I've registered there but decided to wait and post later. I don't think much more could be added for the current crowd over there.

    I hope you don't mind me saying...when I read the 1st post in the thread it reminded me of a time last summer when I put a sticker on my rear bumper that read "I get 65MPG...You?"

    Previously 1.5 years before placing that sticker I'd never, even once had anyone (severely) tailgate, flash lights, gesture or nothing like that.
    When I began my hypermile training courtesy on the road was #1 (and still is more/less)

    The first hour I had the sticker on I was following another car with a good buffer when an old pickup truck began flashing lights, tailgating, acting like he's going to ram, etc.
    This continued for about 2-3 miles and I was going get out of this fool's way but he blasted his horn and pulled off twards a strip mall.

    Later I arrived to a stop light alone, and as I waited a minute someone pulled in line behind me. The light was green for .0001 second before they began blaring horn, flashing lights and gestures.

    The 2nd day was just as bad.

    I don't need this kind of crap so I removed the sticker.
    Instantly back to a normal, courtious drive ever since.

    So why the hostility?
    Honestly, the only reason I placed that sticker was to raise eyebrows that fantastic efficiency is possible, but I got the opposite.

    For some reason or another when I read your opening thread, my sticker experience came to mind.

    Both you, I and everyone else at this site realize that we don't have to be held captive by fuel prices...and how much bad/good habits really affect that.
    I've had a few good experiences trying to let folks know this secret.
    During Katrina crisis I crashed the Navigator board at Edmunds.
    Here was my technique for "Crashing" their SUV board without offense- first the introduction, then more details, then how to get better MPG:
    My first post there begins on #1447

    I consider that thread as one of my biggest achievements, as one person raised a couple of tanks to over 28MPG. Very significant. He called it "Woosey-Footing" and don't know if he kept it up, but I like to think I've helped someone.

    Another example...
    We all know the sometimes bitter rivalry between hybrid>>>><<<<diesel.
    There is another opportunity to "spread the word" so I crashed that as well:

    While I wasn't quite as tactful as the Edmunds example, it did get some converstation going.
    Many diesel enthusiasts have the same attitude as I've ran into with the Civic forums at automotive is.........."It's a Civic, I don't have to drive any differently because it just gets good mileage"

    Phil, I REALLY APPLAUD you for helping get the word out.
    You can be glad that you've helped someone in that thread, someone you're not aware of.
  20. gonavy

    gonavy Well-Known Member

    This is why I love this place, and why my hat is off to Tom and Wayne for creating it- and hopefully it will stay troll-and-unrepentant-gearhead free!

    GH is a good place- by virtue of its google rank and that its been around for a bit. Like most other things, some deals with the maybe-devil have been made, but life goes on, and it is still a resource. It is extremely frustrating there at times (hence why I come to the sanctuary here).

    But, sold-out or not, a LOT of 'regular folk' still walk through those doors via a google search or carsdirect or something, honestly hoping to be able to do something- anything.

    They are a blank slate. If they see nothing but flame wars and their questions are ignored, they walk away. But if one or two take the time to seriously answer their concerns, you've begun to hook them. Soon they will be looking to compound the improvements they just gained... possibly provided in a quieter environ such as CMPG.

    Sort of like being a teacher- most don't care, a few are openly contrarian or disrespectful, and the lightblulb turns on (13W CFL, of course) for another few. It is those few that make the experience worth it, year in and year out. You ID them,hook them, and provide all the resources and runway they need to take off. Wayne and Georgia did that to me a year ago. I hope to be passing the same to a few others here and there.

    One of the things a teacher does with the bright bulbs is take them out of the general class and push them in a smaller setting where a tighter focus can be maintained on a few areas, without the distractions that come with any general population. Its not elitist; rather its maximizing the conversion of potential into 'kinetic' knowledge. I see CMPG as sort of the 'gifted and talented' class coming out of GH or other sources. This is not elitist either- its a place for serious discussion on topics that make most roll their eyes back or simply become defensive.

    So with that, I am forever grateful to both places. GH for getting me started and providing the opportunity to pass on what I've learned, and here for being a more-serious forum to really explore some things with like-minded folk and without the distractions of having to defend ourselves to a broader audience.

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