Do Yo Think Standard Transmissions Will Go Away?

Discussion in 'General' started by Chuck, Apr 24, 2006.

  1. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Standard transmissions made a little comeback in the 1970s when gas prices rose. Wonder if they will make a comeback. Of course, HSD hybrids use the CVT transmission.

    I think standard transmissions will still be useful for a while longer. Sort of suspect they will become an oddity. :(
     
  2. tbaleno

    tbaleno Well-Known Member

    I think MT will stay around. People like control.
     
  3. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    If I can't have a 5 or 6 speed MT I want a manual CVT. That would be a pretty decent trade off IMO, and one would think it would not be terribly difficult to do.
     
  4. tigerhonaker

    tigerhonaker Platinum Contributor

    My 2-Cents;

    The CVT Transmissions are going to be in along with the vehicles computer controlling more and more to increase FE. My 2-Cents: :)
     
  5. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    MT's are good as dead. Folks dont want to drive anymore. They want to talk on cell phones, play with there lappys, nav's and palm pilots.
     
  6. tigerhonaker

    tigerhonaker Platinum Contributor

    Psyshack;

    I don't always agree with you on this one. Way to much traffic to be worrying about shifting gears anymore.

    Not to mention that the New Cvt Tans. with the computer does a great job even without our assistance.
     
  7. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    I would agree that traffic is a problem. But why live in a area that mandates one to be packed in a area like little fish in a tin? I was offered jobs while in Phx. at four times my current salary. I refused all offers. To put up with red light runners, traffic jams, and mexicans that run out infront of cars like deer. And theres more mexicans than deer. :) is not worth me driving a auto or cvt.

    We took the Accord into work today. What a snore. Wife likes it. I wish we had never bought it. And I doubt a cvt would make it any better. Starch in my underware is more fun than driving a auto.

    The world dosent see it like I do. Most folks want a auto and will take a cvt. And they will live in hugh congested metro's where a auto just becomes another tool in a life that has gotten more and more fast pace upbeat. And all those great time saving things that dont work.

    I made my 3 girls learn to drive on a MT. I made them pass there drivers test with MT's. I also made them prove to me they could change a tire on a gravel road at night. I also taught them what oil filters looked like, drain plugs, coolent, air filters. On and on. I made them do maint on cars with me. Taught them things so they wouldnt get burned at service dept's.

    I think the MT is dead. I think there dead because at the root folks are lazy and unskilled in the art of driving.

    As I set here and ramble its apprent my back hurts and when I move my left leg my groning burns and my right ankle is hurting. Think its colapsing. Joy Joy. But I will not drive that utterly boring Asian Impala to work in the AM. I will drive my 5MT Civic and enjoy myself. :)
     
  8. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Sadly, I agree standard transmissions are an endangered species. Too many people that do stuff like eat or phone while driving.

    I find it hard to believe that fluid automatics will ever match standard transmissions. To illustrate the point, I remember my Dad adding a transmission cooler for the trailer - it's like adding another radiator to deal with the additional heat.

    A not so obvious point: standard transmissions are a hardship for the disabled and elderly. With the baby boomers aging and more diabetics, they will favor automatics.
     
  9. gonavy

    gonavy Well-Known Member

    endangered, yes, but like the spotted owl, protected. Protected by the niche of drivers who demand them. Unfortunately they will exist only in sports cars, offshore-bought, and in commercial trucks (even trucks are questionable). They will become largely extinct for most vehicles (already have- you can't get stick for the V6 version of lots of cars, only the lower end trims)
     
  10. Katz6768

    Katz6768 Active Member


    Psyshack, This is a sad and unnecessary comment. I believe people from Mexico deserve more respect. The thread is about MT ...
     
  11. Geek Gal

    Geek Gal Active Member

    I'm 32 and never learned to drive a manual transmission. My brother, 3 years my junior, tried and hated it (if I'd had his car, I'd probably have learned -- it was a VW bug; he sold it to drive a tank Chrysler Cordoba, which saved his life in a bad accident.)

    My dad, in a throwback to his youth, bought his 2005 Ford Mustang GT with a manual transmission, but disliked/dislikes how much the vehicle is tuned to "protect" itself. He's bought a chip that makes it shift a little more like manual's of old, but he still says it's not the same as his ol' manual transmission vehicles. Loves the car, but wishes all the control was left with the driver, and I don't blame him as that's the point (a major one, anyway) of MT, isn't it? :)
     
  12. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    I could make some ethnic stereotypes, but there is a wide diversity of bad driving out there - can't single anybody out. :(
     
  13. Chuck

    Chuck just the messenger

    Programmers and Standard Shifters Like Control

    Good programmers tend to like the older languages even if they are harder. Reason is it's closer to the computer's machine language - more power - less overhead. The same applies to standard transmissions.
     
  14. johnf514

    johnf514 Zoom? Try Glide!

    I beg all of you to remember that while the standard transmission is loosing popularity in the US, the vast majority of the rest of the world still pushes levers to get where they are going. I think that as the stickshift may fall by the wayside as a popular consumer choice, enthusiasts and car buffs alike will always keep the technology around.

    Remember, its been over 60 years since the automatic transmission was introduced, and you haven't seen the manual disappear yet!
     
  15. AZBrandon

    AZBrandon Guest

    Actually what's ironic is that sports cars are among the first of the MT holdouts to abandon the manual transmissions! I don't think you can buy a MT Aston Martin at all anymore, Ferrari is supposedly moving 80% of their cars with the "F1" style automated manual, and DSG is the only transmission in the Veyron and may replace the manual in Porsche's sports cars as well. Personally, I suspect the MT will vanish from sports cars before it vanishes from economy cars.
     
  16. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Here’s an old old thread from 2006 about the passing away of manual transmissions. Didn’t get many posts. Probably won’t get many posts now, with this resurrection.
    Sixteen years later, two of our three cars are manuals. My wife is a doer. As such, she needs the “busy-ness” of a manual tranny, which she got with the 2008 manual Hyundai Accent & later with the 2016 manual Elantra (& she had manuals before that). The 2013 automatic Elantra we have, just doesn’t suit her personality, altho it is a sweet automatic. I love both Elantras, both with the same engine. But, I prefer the manual Elantra, specially now with the over-sized tires. I am not a rabid shifter, loving to skip gears just to cut down on shifting. My wife shifts through every gear, even tho she could easily skip gears like me. She’s a doer, ya know! I love the manual in the mountains, picking the right gear to match the various mountain slopes. The extra available horsepower in the more efficient manual is sweet to be able to convert to extra MPG! With a total 170,000 miles covered together, nothing has ever gone wrong with either transmission. I’ve said all this in other posts. What I haven’t said, I “feel” that if anything goes wrong with either transmission, it won’t be the manual transmission.
    My wife is a safe driver, but not an efficient driver. That is why the rear disk brakes on the 2016 manual transmission recently had to have work done, because she almost exclusively drives the manual. Since I drive the 2013 automatic, I think brake work may still be years away. As for the transmissions, the automatic, of course, goes through every gear. But, I don’t drive the manual Elantra, skipping gears along the way, to make enough difference in the manual’s shifting, as compared to the automatic shifting.
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    2-12-2022:
    PS…..Now, years ago, leadfooters sued Hyundai because they couldn’t get 30MPG from the car. The leadfooters got lots of money & actually forced Hyundai to lower the car’s MPG highway rating to 38MPG. This morning, took the 2016 manual Elantra for a drive. Temperature was 46degF, so I didn’t pay much attention to the MPG, thinking it would be a bit low. After 20 miles, I looked at the MPG gauge & it was reading 46+MPG. My drive included at least 3+ miles of town driving. 46+MPG in February at 47+ deg. latitude for a court-sued vehicle for sub-standard MPG……America at its best. o_O
     
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  17. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I am a fan of manual transmissions, and owned only manual cars for 40 years.
    But a manual ICE car can only be so efficient. That's why I own a Prius.
    But there is ZERO driving pleasure in a Prius, which is why I bought a manual 2014 Civic.
    I sold it in July 2021. It's expensive to insure two cars

    As long as I am working, there is a grueling commute. A hybrid ( or BEV ) car is much better for metro suburban traffic.
    When I am no longer working, the simplicity of a manual ICE car may become attractive again.
    Especially the 1st time the Prius needs a major repair$$$ ( ouch ).
    Right now the Prius has 130K miles and runs and looks perfect.
     
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  18. litesong

    litesong litesong

    I never liked the idea of two motors running one vehicle, along with the associated electronic complexity. However, Toyota quality AND their ability for extreme efficiency put my argument in the dumpster. Also, I didn’t like the idea of Prius long drives & driving up mountain slopes, running out of battery power & just relying on the weak ICE engine. Now, I’m not a power guy. My proof of that, is both our automatic & manual (same EPA MPG) Elantras, with the same engine, only have 131 lbs-ft of torque. But, it is obvious that the efficient manual Elantra beats the automatic Elantra, AND is more worthy to be in the mountains. I assume the Prius, running without battery power, is worse than our automatic Elantra, while climbing mountain slopes.
     
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  19. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    You assume correctly. I don't like the Prius for highway work, let alone mountain highway.
    My manual Honda's, especially my Civic Si, could handle any mountain pass I attempted in top gear, as long
    as I maintained 65 MPH or better.
     
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  20. litesong

    litesong litesong

    When I’m in the mtns. & no one behind me, I love to drive slow. Driving slow in the mtns lets me BE in the mtns & enjoy the mtns longer.
     
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