7 OEMs To Build Their Own High Speed DCFCing Network

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] Question is, where is Toyota, Ford, Nissan, and the VW Group?

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – July 26, 2023


    Seven major OEM automakers – GM, Stellantis, Hyundai/Kia, BMW, General Motors, Honda and Mercedes-Benz are poised to build an unprecedented new charging network joint venture that will significantly expand access to DCFCing in North America.

    The joint venture will include the development of a new design of high-powered DC Fast Charging network with at least 30,000 chargers to make zero-emission driving even more attractive for millions of customers.

    With the generational investments in public charging being implemented on the Federal and State level, the joint venture will leverage public and private funds to accelerate the installation of high-powered charging for customers. The new charging stations will be accessible to all battery-powered electric vehicles from any automaker using Combined Charging System (CCS) or North American Charging Standard (NACS) and are expected to meet or exceed the spirit and requirements of the U.S. National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure (NEVI) program.

    The joint venture is expected to be established this year, subject to regulatory approvals. The first stations are expected to open in the US next summer and in Canada at a later stage. Each site will be equipped with multiple high-powered DC chargers, making long-distance journeys charging easier for future customers. The charging network solely by renewable energy.

    Improving the Customer Experience

    The new DCFCing network will be designed to provide a seamless, vehicle integrated, best-in-class charging experience, based on renewable energy and supported by the quality, reliability, and resources of world-leading automakers.

    Focused on customer comfort and charging ease, the stations will be in convenient locations offering canopies wherever possible and amenities such as restrooms, food service and retail operations either nearby or within the same complex. A select number of flagship stations will be equipped with additional amenities, delivering a premier experience designed to showcase the future of charging.

    Initial plans call for the deployment of charging stations in metropolitan areas and along major highways, including connecting corridors and vacation routes, aiming to offer a charging station wherever people may choose to live, work and travel.

    The functions and services of the network will allow for seamless integration with participating automakers’ in-vehicle and in-app experiences, including reservations, intelligent route planning and navigation, payment applications, transparent energy management and more. In addition, the network will leverage Plug & Charge technology to further enhance the customer experience.

    Where are the other OEMs?

    What about Ford, Toyota, Nissan, and the VW group? VW is for all intents and purposes, Electrify America so that could be the reason for their non-support status. Ford, Toyota, and Nissan however are relying on everyone else’s work possibly?

    I do not know but replies are non-existent.

    According to the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), as of July 2023, there are 32,000 publicly available DC fast chargers in the United States for use by 2.3 million electric vehicles, a ratio of 72 vehicles per charger. The NREL (National Renewable Energy Laboratory) estimates that 182,000 DC fast chargers will be needed to support 30-42 million plug-in vehicles expected on the road by 2030.

    With U.S. electric vehicle sales expected to exceed 50% of total U.S. sales by 2030, the expansion of reliable charging infrastructure will become even more critical to widespread electric vehicle adoption.

    The creation of a best-in-class charging network will ensure that the EV infrastructure will support current and projected EV sales and will foster the adoption of electric vehicles.
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    More details on the new DCFC network entity.

    Announced in July of 2023, IONNA, the joint venture to build a high-powered EV charging network across North America, has received approval from regulatory authorities, and is now officially commencing operations. IONNA is a joint venture of seven of the world's largest automakers: BMW, General Motors, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes-Benz and Stellantis. With Seth Cutler, newly appointed as the chief executive officer, IONNA targets to become one of the most accessible and reliable high-powered charging networks in North America with plans to deploy at least 30,000 chargers. Why Toyota and Ford are not involved is still a mystery to me.

    The new CEO, Seth Cutler is an experienced insider when it comes to electric mobility and charging. In his role as senior VP of technical operations at EV Connect, Cutler expanded the network of charging station manufacturers. Most recently serving as the president and COO, he started several initiatives to transform the company from a ‘start-up’ to a ‘scale-up’ phase. Before joining EV Connect, Cutler took the lead in engineering, orchestrating the development and implementation of a high-powered charging network as chief engineer in the early phase of Electrify America. He started his career at General Electric (GE), where his versatile roles included that of GM of EV infrastructure. In this capacity, he focused on the development, manufacturing, and deployment of charging stations, contributing significantly to GE's footprint in the electric mobility sector.

    Customer Experience Will Be Everything

    IONNA’s charging network will be accessible to all BEVs with NACS or CCS connectors and aims to provide a seamless, vehicle-integrated, best-in-class charging experience. The vision includes amenities such as restrooms, food service, and retail operations nearby or within the same complex, digital integration, and appealing locations. Customers can expect convenient locations that will come with canopies wherever possible adding tp customer comfort and charging ease. The network's functions and services will facilitate seamless integration with participating automakers' in-vehicle and in-app experiences, encompassing reservations, intelligent route planning and navigation, payment applications, transparent energy management plus additional features to be named at a later date.

    IONNA’s charging stations are intended to be powered by renewable energy, and backed by the combined quality, reliability, and resources of the world's leading automakers. IONNA targets to establish a minimum of 30,000 high-powered charging stations strategically positioned throughout North America. The joint venture anticipates opening its first charging stations in the United States in 2024, with plans for expansion into Canada at a later stage. Each site will feature multiple high-powered chargers to facilitate long-distance journeys, aligning with the sustainability strategies of all seven automakers.

    IONNA is a limited liability company formed by BMW, GM, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes-Benz and Stellantis. By the close of this decade, IONNA aims to become a leading force in providing convenient, accessible, and reliable North American fast-charging infrastructure to significantly enhance the appeal of zero-emission driving for millions of customers. This one appears to be the best bet in the race despite all consumers being hit with exorbitant rates of $0.50 to $0.66/KWh when DCFC’ing. This includes Tesla’s DCFCers as well.

    Future Pricing???

    Way OT and IONNA has yet to build a single station, so I am not including them in a pricing discussion just yet. At Tesla, EVgo’s and Electrify America DCFC’s around the country, I am seeing charging costs from $0.44 to $0.66/KWh. This is like driving a 2024 Prius LE to a gas station and paying $10.44/gallon!

    Here is that calculation: At $0.55/KWh driving a 3-miles/KWh (name you favorite EV here), you are paying $0.1833/mile to charge at a public DCFCer. To drive a 57-mpg rated Prius at that "cost per mile", you would have to find a gas station charging $10.44/gallon.

    ($0.1833/mile * 57 mile/gallon) = $10.44/gallon.

    And yes, I highlighted $10.44/gallon 4 times since this is far too high to promote long distance EV travel or BEV future adoption!

    Remember when I charged the then new 2023 Toyota bZ4X (252-miles of AER) from 5 to 80% for just $9 on an Electrify America (EA) 150 KW DCFC in Royce City, TX 18-months ago. That 5 to 80% would allow a bZ4X driver to travel 189 miles or $0.0476/mile.


    Today, just 18-months later, that same EA Charger in Royce City, TX charges $0.56/KWh or in the case of the 2022 bZ4X, 252 miles could be covered on 63.7 KWh or $35.67. What was once an acceptable price to travel 252-miles ($12.00) is now an EV killer ($35.67) in no uncertain terms. If there is a slightly better outcome, EA's Premium Plus plan for $7/month allows a 25% discount on public charging which would bring the cost down from $0.55/KWh to $0.4125/KWh. Still high when compared to the 23/24 Prius example at an equivalent of $7.83/gallon of gasoline.


    I hope IONNA understands this problem before the public catches on that they are getting killed at the "port" vs killed at the "pump" from the other public charging networks.

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  3. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    People seem to be willing to pay it.
    I think it sucks. Even just charging at home I'd want solar panels
    and battery storage.
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  4. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    instead of pushing consumers to buy expensive EV's, the feds should manipulate the price of gasoline to ,
    say , $ 10.44/gallon.
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  5. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Wasn't Ford the first to adopt NACS? Those talks might have been going on while this was planned.
    I think it's obvious why Toyota isn't involved.

    For the typical driver, how much of their charging will need to be at these chargers?
    Chargers have higher overhead than gas stations. The latter have overpriced snacks and drinks for profits. I don't think Superchargers at a Wawa are getting a cut of the hoagie sales.
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