2023 Lexus RZ 450e BEV Preview

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] While slow out of the EV gate, Lexus has initiated its own full electrification strategy in the form of the RZ 450e.

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – Feb. 27, 2023

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    The road ahead is fraught with risk while Lexus is attempting to make that drive as seamless as possible with their all new BEV.​

    Encinitas, CA – This modern city of 60,000 located on the Pacific Coast is home to some of the most beautiful beaches in all of Southern California. It is known for its forward-thinking conservation, lending a helping hand spirit, and especially its hard-core biking and surfing community. Within, Lexus is providing a short look into its next generation of energy saving transportation solutions under the moniker ‘Lexus Electrified

    While its BEV-specific platform (e-TNGA) underpinnings are borrowed from the bZ4X and the DIRECT4 AWD system technology possibly from the Subaru Solterra, the all-new RZs more upscale driving experience both inside and out will be unlike the hybrid and plugin hybrid siblings offered within the Lexus brand. This is after all the first all-electric BEV from the luxury marque. Moving “Beyond Zero” – I could not help including the all-encompassing electrification Toyota tag line, Lexus promises this will not be the first as they strive to offer 100 percent BEVs globally by 2035.

    Steering the RZ 450e via Yolk

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    The all-new RZ 450e’s possible game changing standout feature is the optional “Steer by Wire” with an aircraft style yolk vs std. wheel system. It could take a few years of tuning but in the end, steer by wire just like modern jets fly by wire systems will be the de facto standard. Tesla’s attempt was a colossal misstep as they simply added a yolk with a higher ratio steering box and little to no tuning. Toyota/Lexus on the other hand are taking their time to provide not only a more reliable attachment to the EPS with a semblance of road feel, but they are also attempting to provide a more normal end user feel while being completely disconnected from the steering box. I am not sure if they have a “Steering by Wire” RZ 450e here or not, my fingers are crossed so I to can experience their own first generation on both slower speed coastal secondaries and its feel while cruising the 5 at 70 mph.

    Instead of detailing the design, let me just highlight what Lexus says about the “Steering by Wire” System.

    Although it will not be available in the U.S. at launch, Lexus did say it will be available “at a future date.” The Lexus-first Steer by Wire system enables the electronic exchange of steering and road surface information between the advanced steering control and tires via electrical signals, not a mechanical linkage.

    The control’s steering angle is set at approximately 150 degrees that may reduce the driver’s workload by eliminating the need for hand-over-hand operation at intersections, U-turns, parking, winding roads, and other driving situations. Unhindered by a sizeable standard steering wheel, designers crafted the steering control’s compact shape and lowered the instrument meter’s placement to encourage driver engagement and environmental awareness.

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    This is entirely speculation on my part, but I suspect both the bZ4x and Prius’ lower instrument cluster placement was designed around the use of a yolk but in the end, Toyota found it was not quite ready for prime time. By the refresh of both of those models, I bet the steering by wire with a yolk will be the norm and remove the lower instrument clusters viewing problem from each.

    The Steer by Wire and yolk minimizes driver eye movement while naturally drawing the driver’s eyes forward with no top of the wheel in the way. The all-electronic steering and road surface information passed between the wheel and tires via electrical signals is the key to making this a game changing addition or an outlier that is tried and vanishes from the option list in short order just a few years from now. Apparently, Lexus focused on the quality and transmission speed of input and feedback to provide some sort of mimicked road feel. The system achieves maneuverability with precise feedback by blocking out unnecessary vibrations from the tires and brakes, only relaying vital driving information such as road feel to the driver.

    When Lane Tracing Assist is activated, the wheels are controlled as needed, allowing for gentle steering and vehicle movement. The vehicle’s overall maneuverability is still nimble and agile on winding roads and high-speed stability on the highways by optimizing a variable steering gear ratio according to road conditions and the scenario you are currently driving.

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e Design

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    Gone is the overreaching large “Spindle Grille” of the all-new RX, LX, and GX. In its place, a more subtle and slimmer approach to modern design called the “Spindle Body”. I do not come up with the names for these things. ;) The grille uses a grille shutter to improve aerodynamic efficiency. When cooling air is not required, the grille shutter is closed to reduce air resistance.

    Unlike the bZ4Xs cladding surrounding the front wheel wells and working their way into the headlamps, the Lexus uses a more traditional look with wheel cladding as they should be – around the wheel openings, slimmer headlamps, portrait layout grille openings on the side and one standard horizonal opening across the lower front fascia. The lines are modern creating stark edges and shadows for that look of speed even while sitting still. Finally, Lexus has moved on and into the future with these small changes.

    RZ’s spindle shape design generates a distinctive roof spoiler to suppress aerodynamic force acting on the body in a crosswind. This ensures a more stable driving feel. The center of the roof is shaped to allow air to flow smoothly from the sloped rear glass surface to the rear of the vehicle. The ducktail shape on the end of the trunk reduces aerodynamic drag by balancing the aft air flow. In addition, the generated downforce contributes to a stable driving feel. An undercover is used to flatten the underbody to reduce aerodynamic drag.

    The rear includes a clean and simple horizontal design. A new spelled out LEXUS logo resides on the horizontal rear combination lamps.

    Five exterior colors are available with an available bi-tone color scheme using a solid black from the front of the spindle body to the upper hood and roof.

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    The seamless acceleration and dynamic performance of BEVs is expressed in the exterior design. Lexus’ identifiable spindle grille is replaced by a BEV Spindle Body. The new front bumper design improves aerodynamics. This styling evolution ushers in a new Lexus aesthetic and establishes a new design direction for BEV offerings.

    2023 Lexus RX 450e Interior

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    A 14” landscape display is ready to greet its new owner.​

    Inside, crafted touches and advanced technologies abound as expected with any Lexus. A pano roof creates the airy volume while passenger comfort is improved by an all-new heating system featuring a Lexus-first radiant heater.

    That low positioned drivers instrument panel carry’s over and I have the same concerns with it as I do with the bZ4X and Prius. With a yolk however, those anxieties would be moot.

    An ultra-suede door trim ornamentation, seats, and upper wood-grain console are as expected from the iconic Lexus brand.

    Two types of seat materials are used, including their synthetic leather called Nu-luxe and another synthetic called ultrasuede, an upholstery material of 30-percent-bio-based sustainable materials.

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    Drivers and passengers can experience three interior colors options, including Thunderstorm, Palomino, and Dapple Gray. In addition, the world’s first Shadowy illumination changes the shade of light projected on to the door trim ornament when the doors are opened and closed, adding new flair to the interior space.

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e with an Electrochromatic Clear to Opaque Light Switching Roof

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    2023 Lexus RX 450e Drivetrain

    The use of BEV-exclusive, high-capacity Li-Ion batteries and silicon carbide power semiconductor elements in the inverter, and low-loss technologies cultivated in the development of HEVs, all contribute to extending the single-charge cruise range. The current manufacturer-projected range is up to 220 miles with 18-inch tires and 196 miles on the 20s. Like the Prius, that is a hell of a hit for larger and more expensive wheels and tires.

    The RZ uses high-precision motor torque control and optimal battery and motor placement to achieve not only an ideal weight distribution but quick response.

    The DIRECT4 AWD system controls front and rear drive force according to driving and road surface conditions. The high-output electronic axle (eAxle) motor continuously controls the drive force of the four wheels according to the ground contact load of the vehicle regardless of road surface and driving conditions.

    The DIRECT4 distribution control uses wheel vehicle speed, acceleration, and steering angle sensor information to control front-to-rear drive force ratio distribution between 100:0 and 0:100. This contributes to improved start-up acceleration, handling stability, and low power consumption. The system uses an approximate front-to-rear drive force ratio distribution between 60:40 and 40:60 to minimize vehicle pitch during launch and straight-line acceleration, thereby achieving a direct acceleration feel. Vital information such as cornering speed and steering angle help to optimize drive force distribution according to various driving conditions and helps attain excellent handling stability. When the steering wheel is turned, drive force is biased to the front wheels (distributing drive force between 75:25 and 50:50). When exiting a corner, torque distribution to the rear wheels is further increased (between 50:50 and 20:80) to ensure ample traction while controlling vehicle pitch.

    The newly developed eAxle fully integrates the motor, transaxle, and inverter within a compact unit to benefit cruise range, spacious interior, and excellent design. In addition, the use of a high-efficiency inverter having an element in the rear, contributes to an increase in cruise range.

    A new pressurization unit enables front and rear regenerative braking through independent front and rear hydraulic control. The new braking system aims to provide an even more seamless and controlled braking. Based on Lexus’ hybrid electric technology experience and achievements over the years, the regenerative braking system improves regenerative energy efficiency to increase cruise range, while enhancing brake feel. Stable vehicle posture is achieved by optimizing the distribution of braking force to the front and rear wheels in response to the amount of braking by the driver.

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    2023 Lexus RZ 450e Chassis Design

    As mentioned previously, the RZ utilizes the e-TNGA BEV platform offering excellent stability and ride comfort by mounting the battery under the vehicle floor creating a low center of gravity. The body is strengthened by reinforcing the radiator support area and adding a V-shaped brace for excellent handling performance.

    Laser screw welding, structural adhesives, and laser peening welding technologies join the body frame to improve handling stability and ride comfort. The addition of a double ring structure and a highly rigid foaming agent prevents distortion to reduce deformation of the rear luggage opening.

    Up front, RZ rides atop MacPherson struts, while its rear uses a trailing arm double wishbone configuration. For the first time, Lexus uses Frequency Reactive Damper, a frequency-sensitive absorber that alters the dampening force on the extension stroke in response to road surface frequency input. With FRD, Lexus states their Driving Signature carry with better-than-expected steering feel and the linear responses of steering, braking, and acceleration operations are enabled.

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    2023 Lexus RZ 450e Safety

    The RZ uses the latest Lexus Safety System+ (LSS+) 3.0 that includes standard Pre-Collision System, Dynamic Radar Cruise Control, Lane Departure Alert, and Emergency Driving Stop System.

    In detail, LSS+ 3.0 on the 2023 RZ includes the following:
    • Pre-Collision System: The system will provide an earlier timing alert and auto braking to help avoid a collision and/or possible damage

    • Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (with full-speed follow function): The system will hold a time behind the preceding vehicle, adjusting based on the 4 distance settings and automatically brake when necessary

    • Lane Departure Alert: The system will activate either the alert or the steering assist at an earlier time than usual

    • Emergency Driving Stop System: When Lane Trace Assist (LTA) is activated, the system will decelerate the vehicle and stop within the current lane to help avoid a collision or reduce the impact of a collision

    • Available Advanced Park with remote function expands support for parallel parking
    Additional driver and passenger comforts include radiant heaters to comfortably warm the passenger’s knees while working with the air conditioner to provide a warm temperature at a reduced rate of battery consumption.

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    2023 Lexus RZ 450e Pricing

    The 2023 Lexus RZ 450e should go on sale in early 2023 with the following retail prices:

    RZ 450e Premium AWD Trim with 18" wheels - $59,650
    RZ 450e Premium AWD Trim with 20" wheels - $60,890
    RZ 450e Luxury AWD - $65,150

    D&H: $1,150

    I sure hope they have a Steering by Wire RZ 450e for us to "try". I will let you know as I am heading to the short lead in less than an hour. ;)
     
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  2. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Compared to Audi or Porsche electrics , it's inexpensive.
    Looks like a winner. Still ugly, but I guess that's what many people like these days.
     
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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Edwin:

    It is a lot better than the bZ4X in the looks department and they fixed the driver instrument cluster view too! ;)

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    Wayne
     
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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And here are some notes from the presentation last night and I will post as much as I can before the walkaround in under an 90-minutes. The best Media pics have been uploaded and I will embed those throughout.

    Toyota/Lexus is the #1 seller of electrified powertrains due in part to their 23-years of Hybrids and 11-years of Plugin Hybrids here in the U.S. On the Lexus side, it was the 2004 RXh that introduced a hybrid drivetrain to the consumer.

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    Given the shorter 196-mile range of the RZ 450e with the 20s on the Luxury and Premium w/ the wheel upgrade/downgrade and 222-mile range of the RZ 450e with the std. 18s, Lexus will be offering customers 30-days over a 3-year period in which to use a local dealers customer service vehicle. There is no guarantee you would be able to pick or choose from the entire lineup, but they believe they can keep their customers satisfied for lengthy road trip demands.

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e Reserve

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    Regarding sales expectations, Lexus believes they can sell almost 5,000 RZs here in the U.S. and 30,000 globally in year 1. In addition, the RZ 450e will be available to U.S. residents in all 50-states, not just the ZEV states. I am not onboard with that number, but we will watch sales volumes as the year progresses.

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    Regarding the Pano roof, it is a glass unit with no sunshade. I think this was shortsighted, but it reduced weight by 12 lbs and increased headroom.

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    Along with the 5 colors, there are two Bi-tones including Grey/Black and Blue/Black. The 2 interior surfaces are leather free. Nu-Luxe – a type of high-end vinyl, and Ultrasuede. Both are synthetic with the suede – only available in the Luxury trim, being constructed from 30% Bio-materials.

    The less expensive Premium trim can be equipped with the radiant heating feature within the Tech package. It works in conjunction with the seat heaters, not separate from them. I am not sure of that package cost yet, however. That package also includes Advanced Park, and the HUD. With Radiant Heating, there is no glovebox. Whoops.

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    The RZ exterior is as long as the all-new RX and has more head and legroom. I found that quite interesting. ;) The Cd is 0.29, Lexus lowest ever offering.

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    With the upcoming “Steer by Wire” system, the displays were moved up a notch.

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e Steer by Wire

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    313 HP combined <-- Who cares. Range Mode shuts down HVAC although you can turn it back on. That mode provides a RWD bias through the 80 KW motor vs the fronts 150 KW one. I suspect it is 100% to the rear if you launch lightly but the AWD system is ready to come online with any wheel slip or need during a hard turn.

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    The Q&A:

    Steer by Wire price? Not yet and it will be available later. Some training is needed as the wheel allows just 150 degrees of arc.

    Tech package cost on the Premium Trim? I am looking for it.

    Peak Charging Rate? It uses the Panasonic pack so charged on the same curve as the bZ4X FWD. 150 KW rating. Here is the bZ4x Charging profile for comparison.

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    U.S. manufacture in the future to earn the $7,500 Fed TC? Looking at it but… This is a tough sell without it imho.

    Compared to the bZ4X, the RZ is stiffer with more chassis structure, additional 70 KW of power, and a staggered wheel setup.

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    The Radiant Heating feature that works with the seat heaters does help improve range vs the std. HVAC system.

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    The driving impression embargo ends on March 13, 2023 at 07:00 AM EST.

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    I must run as the walk around comes in under an hour.

    Wayne
     
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  5. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    That's a good solution although I don't think I'd care to drive an ICE/hybrid on trips once I'm into an EV. But at least Lexus recognizes the shortcoming. I think Subaru has a similar program. (only 10 days over a period of 3 years, I think...)
     
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  6. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I'm not sure I like the last part. I think the VW ID.4 has that and I would think tire rotations become less useful.
     
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  7. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    It's not UGLIER than the Tesla SUV's that sell like hotcakes.
    And I believe Lexus knows their customer base AND Toyota
    engineers are pretty damned smart.
    They will sell in huge numbers ( 4-digit numbers ).
     
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  8. Erdrick

    Erdrick Well-Known Member

    Serious question / concern: will the wheels stay on it this time?
    They really goofed the Toyota / Subaru variants and it shouldn’t have happened.

    That said, as a current Toyota driver I’d not consider anything BEV from them yet regardless of issues with the wheels.
     
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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Erdrick, yes, the wheels should not be involved in a recall soon after launch like the bZ4X was. We all hope.

    Wayne
     
  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Somedays you can actually catch the rainbow. ;)

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    A gaggle of 450e's ready to launch.

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    And when along the Pacific, do like the locals do and pose with it.

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    Wayne
     
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Although we had to pull the RZ 450e into a darkened parking garage to see it during the day, there are interesting touches throughout including the all new and standard Shadow Illumination which creates a decorative pattern on the interior front door trim.

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    Wayne
     
  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Another fix vs the bZ4X...

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    Front to back knee and leg room.​

    vs the bZ4X rear seat footwell misstep.

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    Wayne
     
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  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Lexus RZ 450e and ChargePoint Readying Home and Public Charging Experience

    [​IMG] Again, just a step towards their all-electric future.

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – March 8, 2023

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    Future owners of the all-new, all-electric, Lexus RZ 450e will be offered several ways to enhance their BEV ownership experience. Lexus is working with ChargePoint and Qmerit to offer and a vast network of public charging EV stations, home chargers, and home L2 installation services.

    Your home is the primary location for charging and participating Lexus dealers will offer an option to purchase a 50A ChargePoint Home Flex L2 charger at the dealership or directly from ChargePoint online. ChargePoint Home Flex is ENERGY STAR certified and Wi-Fi enabled, can be SW configured for 3.8 to 12KW power output, installed indoors or outdoors, and comes with a 23-foot charging cable to support different parking configurations. It retails for $749.95. With the ChargePoint Home Flex connected charger, electric vehicles can be charged up to nine times faster than a standard outlet. The home charger can charge their RZ 450e at up to 25 miles of range per hour and fully charge the battery when plugged in overnight.

    ChargePoint HomeFlex

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    Lexus has selected Qmerit to help guide RZ 450e owners through the process of installing ChargePoint’s premiere L2 charger. The turn-key services include locating a certified electrician to install the EV charger, providing an initial free quote, and additional services. Customers will be introduced to Qmerit during their purchase checkout process at participating dealers.

    For public charging, 2023 RZ 450e owners will also be able to tap into ChargePoint’s extensive public network of Level 2 and Level 3 (DC fast) chargers, including roaming partner stations, across North America. The vast network offers EV owners access to charge when, where, and how they want. Through the Lexus app, customers will be offered the convenience of being able to quickly find, use, and pay for vehicle charging, thanks to the integration of ChargePoint’s public charging APIs.
     
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  14. litesong

    litesong litesong

    From February 28, 2023:
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    Actually…….there isn’t A LOT of difference between UGLY & UGLIER. I’m still dazzled by our 2013 & 2016 Elantras.
     
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e Efficiency

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    A RT city loop at 5.4 mi/KWh.

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    90% highway with moderate morning traffic at 4.2 mi/KWh.​

    Both of these results were with Premium trims and 18" wheels.

    Wayne
     
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  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    2023 Lexus RZ 450e Retail Pricing
    • Premium AWD w/ 18" alloys and Pano glass roof - $59,650
    • Premium AWD w/ 20" alloys and Pano glass roof - $60,890
    • Luxury AWD w/ 20" alloys plus a Mark Levinson, 800W, 13-speaker audio system - $65,150
    • D&H = $1,150
    On the performance front, with its 150-kW front and 80-kW rear motor(s), the combined 308 HP output provides a 0 to 60 time of just 5.0 seconds.

    On the range front, the Premium trim with 18’s offers an EPA-estimated 220 miles of range while the Premium and Luxury trims with the 20s provide 196 miles with the 20s. Why oh why do OEM’s spend billions of dollars to improve efficiency of a model or their lineup and allow a marketing decision to erase those billions of dollars by placing oversized, overweight, and efficiency losing large wheels with 10-minutes’ worth of thought?

    In the meantime, one of the RZ450e's highlights include its steer by wire yolk.

    But let us first consider the 2023 Tesla Model S and Model X Plaid with its own steering yolk.

    2023 Tesla Model X - Yolk Steering

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    What Tesla did was simply attach a yolk steering wheel to the column with the same ratio as the wheel or ~ 14:1 or 2.3 turns lock to lock. A yolk is not meant to be rotated beyond 180 degrees in any direction from center. Your hands and arms are simply not built for it. In fact, that wheel to wheel lock should be less than 1 full turn and Tesla F'ed theirs up big time by simply replacing the wheel with a yolk and attaching it to the mechanically attached column.

    And then we have Lexus' solution.

    2023 Lexus RZ 450e

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    But first, the all-new 2023 Lexus RZ 450e is based off the bZ4X platform but with numerous improvements that include the following:
    • 150 KW charging capable 71.4 KWh Panasonic pack in the AWD RZ 450e vs the 100 KW charging capable, 72.8 KWh CATL pack in the AWD bZ4X
    • The bZ4Xs unattractive cladding embedded into the front quarter to the headlamps is gone on the RZ 450e
    • The RZ 450e's front seat platforms allow under seat room for your feet vs the bZ4Xs block
    • The RZ 450e's driver instrument display sightlines have been fixed vs the bZ4Xs wheel layout and obstruction
    • The RZ 450e’s driver to central display is more elegant with no squared off edges
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    And back to the Lexus yolk that “may” be available in the EZ 450e later this year or next? Instead of placing a yolk on a standard mechanical column like Tesla did, Lexus did it right by designing a “Steer by Wire” system with dual motor and bus redundancy that is entirely controlled by electrical signal inputs vs. a mechanical linkage. As such, Lexus limited the lock to lock to ~ 150 degrees left and right of center with ~ 300 total degrees of rotation. And they did it with a variable output so the first few degrees does not provide the same degree of wheel movement creating a more natural yolk input to front wheel output turning angle. The system’s steering variable ratio changes its output to adjust for the RZ’s speed, thereby allowing for a faster steering output in slow-speed situations and less output to improve stability at higher speeds.

    As such, with your hands on the yolk, you will not ever have to steer hand over hand on an ill-fitting yolk like the Tesla solution. The only area where I thought the current prototype programming could use work was an overly aggressive output while in reverse. All-in, it took just minutes to get used to its actions at various speeds on a slower speed autocross like course.

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    How about a longer drive? While getting used to the small input, large output, variable ratio drive-by-wire yolk, I would not mind having this setup in the 23 Prius and bZ4X to remove the driver display sightline issues that both have. I use the bottom edges of the wheel to support my hands on longer drives and the Lexus yolk does not provide that. Placing my hand on the center bottom is ok but I would like to have a yolk with a bottom half D-shaped wheel underneath allowing a place for my hands at the absolute central bottom for longer drives. This yolk does not allow that.

    Wayne
     
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  17. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    We just replaced our 2017 Prius Prime with a Lexus RZ 450e Luxury in ether (blue) and black. Took delivery Tuesday. Installed 17 inch wheels with all-weather tires Saturday. Registered the 2nd set of TPMS IDs Sunday (today). The staggered summer performance rubber had to go. Took off 70 lbs in the process.

    Look into Toyota lease cash and generous dealer discounts as well, with no penalty early buyout.

    I'm not worried about DC charging as I have the Model Y for longer trips, but it should be fine. I'm ready for cold weather charging challenges. I'll let you know how it goes.
     
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