Meet the US Spec, All-new, 5th Gen, 2023 Toyota Prius Hybrid

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I was afforded the opportunity to take out a brand new 2024 Toyota Prius XLE with the fuel robbing 19s for a week. It was "essentially brand new" with less than 400-miles on the clock which could have impacted the Speed vs FE curve below.

    2024 Toyota Prius XLE

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    Just minutes before heading out on its Speed vs FE testing.

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    Temps ranged from 54 to 57 degrees F and winds were calm for the northbound and southbound drives while the aFCD offset came in at 0.985 vs actual and was considered from the display vs actual efficiency achieved during each of the 10 back and forth runs.

    The EPA highway crossover speed occurred at a rather low 61.9 mph. This indicates the 24 Prius XLE with the 19s 52 mpg highway rating is "possibly" a bit overstated. My standard "minimum" 67.5 mph crossover speed indicates this 2024 Prius XLE should be rated closer to 49 mpg. I have not driven a modern Toyota of any type with an EPA highway overstated to this degree. The three possible distinct reasons include of course those fuel robbing 19" alloys and 195/50R19 tires. The higher rotating mass is a fuel efficiency killer. Second is that the 19s increase ground clearance by .4 inches over the LEs 17s that not only increases frontal area slightly, "possibly" increases drag from the larger tire area exposed under the front fascia. And finally, the fact I could only add an additional 400-miles before the actual test, the 24 Prius XLE had less than 1,000-miles on its clock when I went out for its Speed vs FE testing.

    My 23 Prius LE proved to be significantly more efficient but because it was mine and setup essentially perfectly, its Speed vs FE graph will remain hidden until such time I can procure an "off the shelf" LE to run my gambit of tests for a std. Prius vs one that has been broken in properly and tuned. ;)

    Wayne
     
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Now onto the rest of the vehicle...

    2024 Toyota Prius XLE

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    $35,847 incl. D&H as shown and driven. The all-new 5th gen is hot no matter the color. In Supersonic Red, it is scorching! :D

    The 23/24 Prius' silhouette still grabs attention like nothing else I have driven. I was driving down Carlsbad Blvd. - the Coast highway in Carlsbad, CA, with my windows opened and slowed for a construction worker adjusting the crosswalk lights. As I passed at ~ 15 mph, he said is that the new Prius? I said sure is. He said awesome looking!

    While I was at the Discount Tire for the cargo capacity comparisons described below, one of the workers came out to ask me questions about it and how much he "loved" the looks.

    I was doing charity work at a nursing home and while I was walking in, two employees completing their shift were walking out. The doors were open so I could hear them talking about the Prius when I was inside at the front desk. They both said, “What is this” and "So cool!".

    I was walking into a Home Depot and a customer in the parking lot asked several questions. He thought it was a new Tesla model at first but after I told him what it was, he said he cannot wait to own one for himself because it looked great.

    These are just four of the seven encounters with members of the public that had nothing but superlatives to say.

    Infotainment includes all the latest bells and whistles, but the 12.3-in. central touchscreen is "DA BOMB". Considering the std. 7" display in my 21 Prime and std. 8" in the 23/24 LE/XLE, its usability is in a whole new ballpark. I cannot for example have Android Auto's Google Maps and the Pandora station, album, and song display on the 7 or 8" touchscreen together as everything is too small. With the larger 12.3" display, I can. It is an option on the XLE so make sure you take this into account in your pricing calculus.

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    The optional $735, 12.3" display may be the best option of any available on the all-new 23/24 Prius.​

    Any vehicle with Wireless Apple CarPlay & Android Auto would normally get two thumbs up from me. While driving the many prototypes within the Toyota lineup last year, I experienced no glitches after maybe 500-miles in 6 different model Toyota's. Once I received my own 23 Prius LE with wireless, the glitches began to mount and the new 24 with the optional 12.3 in this XLE showed the same issues. Wireless timeouts, sometimes it would drop and a full reboot would be necessary to get it back, and especially GPS/NAVI voice guidance dropping out while the map display and either XM or Pandora's audio carried on without issue. I have tried tens of iterations of shutting things down and starting them up in different orders to get voice guidance back. All to no avail. Swapping from the best in the business Qi wireless charger slot or USB-C power cord port to the USB-Power and Data port to engage wired AA and ACP sometimes worked. And sometimes even that did not fix the problem either. All with my Android based Galaxy S22+.

    The wheel blocking the lower half of the 7” driver display is still an annoyance. When the 5th gen Prius receives a refresh, I suspect Toyota will either add a yolk as I had initially suspected was slated for it or they will add a larger Camry wheel and pull the driver display back to lineup horizontally with the 12.3 or 8” central displays. This simple change in screen placement would cost nothing and allow the full drivers display to be visible for everyone.

    On the safety front, of course TSS 3.0 is a nice upgrade over the TSS 2.5 in my own 21 Prime. Remember the 2017 - 2022 Prime lacked RCTA and BSM except for the highest trim so it was nice to have those systems available.

    Not only are the various systems more accurate but more adjustable. The entire standard list includes the Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection (PCS w/PD), Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC), Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist (LDA w/SA), Lane Tracing Assist (LTA), Road Sign Assist (RSA), Automatic High Beams (AHB), Proactive Driving Assist (PDA). The lane keep assist is less intrusive and more accurate. The PDA system is not only adjustable in terms of amount of correction or unassisted control. it is a lot smarter than the LKA on my own. I adjusted every system to their max sensitivity prior to driving even a mile. Although some of the non-assisted outputs seemed aggressive - slowing into a curve, I left them at their max sensitivity for peace of mind.

    What about cargo capacity? I have a friend that works at a Discount Tire and asked if I could snap a few pics of some of their tire stock loaded in the back of the 24 XLE. Remember that the 24 XLE/Limited is rated at 20.3 cu. ft. vs my Prime's 19.8 cu. ft. The XLE/Limited have that lifted foam storage underneath the floor which takes up some of the room vs the 23/24 LEs 23.8 cu. ft.

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    Four 16" truck tires fit with the hatch closed. Four 17" truck tires would not quite fit but I was still shocked at what it could hold!

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    Six 15" car tires easily fit with no issues.​

    I could not close the hatch with the 4 16" truck tires in my 21 Prime.

    Regarding the cargo cap, removing the XLE/Limited's foam underlayment would allow for a mini-spare under the removeable floor in case anyone was interested?

    What about that all-new drivetrain including the heavily atkinsonized 150 hp 2.0L I4 mated with the 111 hp MG2 for a combined 194 HP? While the XLE with the 19s was lackluster in terms of efficiency, in terms of performance, there was definitely a huge upgrade. The 4th gen while ok in terms of off the line quickness below 30 is sufficient for any road in the world, sometime when merging I sometimes wish there was a little more. Not in terms of WOT but a lower load just below the power band indication is breached. The 23/24 does not have this issue.

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    Significantly more power and close to the same efficiency in the real world is a huge plus obviously.​

    There is a downside regarding the smallish .9 KWh Li-ion pack. If you are driving down the highway at 65 mph and even tap the breaks or simply let off, sometimes the ICE will spin back up due to MG2 pushing to much energy into this small Li-Ion. It is a protection of course and only adds a minute amount of a drivability concern for the few that will even notice but the engine (ICE) spins up to absorb power and immediately afterwards shutting down to back into EV reveals a limitation of this small of a pack. My 21 Prime and the 23/24 Primes have much larger packs and can absorb much more regenerative braking energy before transitioning into an ICE on for energy dissipation.

    In conclusion, the all-new 23/24 Prius continues to provide ego boosting curb appeal even a year after its release. The small wheel cutting off the lower half of the driver display, lower headroom out back, and the smaller hatch opening detriments are not enough to dissuade most purchasers from a 5th gen Prius consideration simply because today's drivers want their vehicles looks to stand out while supplying the power of most everything else out on the road. The all-new 23/24 Prius kicks @$$ in this regard and over most anything with efficiency outside a pure EV. And we all know an EVs limitation no matter who makes them. While my wish for the 5th gens ICE and MGsets, the 4th gens 15" tire and wheel combination, and the 3rd gen V''s form factor, it is hard to say no to the all-new 5th gen vs anything else currently available. ;)

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    My first drive of a Limited in Del Mar, CA in early 2023.​

    Wayne
     
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  3. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    The max tire wear for the EPA tests is the equivalent of 4000 miles. Manufacturers will do testing closer to that than brand new.
     
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  4. rossbro

    rossbro Well-Known Member

    WHAT is so bad about 15 or 16 inch tires ?????
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Rossbro:

    Nothing but they are not as pretty as those fuel sucking low profile 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, or 23" wheels and tires. :(

    Wayne
     
  6. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Over the years, Craigslist has gotten me the best and cheap tires....& wheels, so I have size 14 inch to 18 inch wheels. Presently, I have 14 inch AND 15 inch tires/wheels on one car, while the other car has 17 inch AND 15 inch tires/wheels. Most often, I have had to point out to people that I have different wheels on any one car. Most people don't look at wheels or care. Only one person ever looked at my smallest & non-descript car & noticed there was something different about it. & he said he liked it.
    Beauty is, as beauty does. I think my pocketbook looks more beautiful than my wheels/tires, especially when my pocketbook has more money, than money tied up in my wheels/tires.
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    HI All:

    Adding to the Prius' trophy case... ;)

    Toyota Prius Wins 2024 World Car Design of the Year

    Since its redesign in 2023, the Toyota Prius continues to grab attention and earning a second look from those that would never consider one previously. This most recent award is yet another accolade for the 5th gen hybrid sedan as Prius has been recognized with the 2024 World Car Design of the Year – beating out 70 other competitors for the win.

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    Powered by the fifth generation Toyota Hybrid System with 2.0L ICE, the new Prius achieves an incredible EPA rating of up to 57 MPG combined and has an output of 194 horsepower on the FWD drive model. Models equipped with the available Electronic On-Demand AWD system, the output climbs to 196 HP. Available in LE, XLE, or Limited grades, the Toyota Prius is packed with options and technology like the Toyota Audio Multimedia Audio system and comes standard with Toyota Safety Sense 3.0.

    Wayne
     

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