Meet the US Spec, All-new, 5th Gen, 2023 Toyota Prius Hybrid

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  1. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    Many Japanese cars were beige in the '80s, including my "calm beige" '81 Mazda. On a cloudy day, beige is more visible than gray, but less visible than yellow.
     
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  2. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    My Nova was invisible to other traffic.

    I let my wife drive that carbureted POS and then I bought my Civic Si.
     
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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    While perusing the Japanese Toyota Consumer site, I as looking at the Prius Prime and Prius specs. In particular, look at the 2023 Toyota Prius with the available and older 1.8L I4 ICE.

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    The 2023 Toyota Prius with the 2.0L is rated on the WLTC vastly short of the Japanese spec 1.8L I4 as shown below:

    2023 Toyota Prius w/ the 2.0L I4

    Combined Mode: 28.6 km/L
    City Mode: 26.0 km/L
    Suburban Mode: 31.1 km/L
    Highway Mode: 28.2 km/L

    2023 Toyota Prius w/ the 1.8L I4 <-- Not offered here. Yet. :(

    Combined Mode: 32.6 km/L - 13.9% higher than the 2.0L
    City Mode: 29.9 km/L - 15% higher than the 2.0L
    Suburban Mode: 37.3 km/L - 20.0% higher than the 2.0L
    Highway Mode: 31.2 km/L - 10.6% higher than the 2.0L

    Son of a *****!!! I would do anything to have the 23 Prius with the 1.8L if the FE rating and possibly real world fuel economy is that much higher than the 2.0L we are being offered here. :( A 57 mpg rating for the 23 LE with the 17s could be upwards of 65 mpg combined with the 1.8L!!!

    Wayne
     
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  4. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    It actually isn't the older 1.8L. It is the one in the 2023 Corolla hybrid, which has a performance boost over the previous year's 1.8L, and part of the reason for the drop in the car's highway rating. The car also got wider tires.
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Trollbait:

    The 23 Prius w/ the 1.8L specs are identical to the 4th gens 1.8L.

    Japan Spec 5th Gen 1.8L

    1.797L from 80.5 mm bore (= 3.17 in) x 88.3 mm stroke (= 3.48 in)
    Peak HP: 98 PS (= 96.6 HP)
    Peak Torque: 142 N•m@ 3,600 RPM

    U.S. Spec 4th Gen 1.8L

    1.797L from 3.17 in. bore x 3.48 in. stroke
    Peak HP: 96 horsepower @ 5,200 rpm
    Hybrid System Net Horsepower 121 horsepower (90kW)
    Peak Torque: 105 lb-ft @ 3,600 rpm (142 N•m@3,600 rpm)

    These look to be identical. I wonder if the Japanese spec 1.8L was updated with the new 5th gen inverter and harnesses???

    In either case, the 5th gen is going to hurt vs the 4th gen I4 in the same platform if the 2.0L is as thirsty as the Japanese specs indicate by comparison to the 1.8L. :(

    Wayne
     
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  6. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    I see my error. A lot of places don't report hybrid system power separately. Instead listing that number under engine power. Toyota themselves does this themselves on the US site for the Corolla hybrid.
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Trollbait:

    Keeping everyone on the same page is always a good thing. Trying to disseminate specs from a Japanese web page will cause problems for all of us.

    The overall detail however is concerning. With the Japanese spec 1.8L and possibly the exact same drivetrain as that in the 4th gen incl. HSD being as much as 15% more efficient than the all-new 5th gen's 2.0L on the WLTC, has me wondering. Yes there is a huge jump in power but a 15% hit in efficiency?

    All-in, a 5th gen shell and platform with the 4th gen drivetrain and especially the 15", 4th gen wheels and tires would be the real deal. Maybe we will receive an Eco version equipped as described in a few years? ;)

    2023 Toyota Prius Prime (Japan PHEV) Cutaway

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    Wayne
     
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  8. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Only if they find a way to make it the top trim. Cuz we know how important
    max efficiency is to American drivers.
     
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  9. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    How apples to apples are those listed figures? Heard that it is possible to get 17in steelies on the new Prius in Japan. Perhaps the base trim with the 1.8L is more decontented than the LE.

    While it is disappointing to see Toyota shifting away from making the Prius the most efficient, the fact is that the car has been losing sales for years. Toyota needs to pull in new customers, and offering two drivetrains is a big expense for the numbers they plan to import. The Prius the US got has more power while having essentially the same mpg ratings as the gen4 in the higher trims, and near the L Eco's with the new LE.

    Going by some comments, I think some of the people calling for the 1.8L would still be disappointed in the ratings.
     
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  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    While at the 2023 Toyota Prius Prime short lead, they had a std. Limited trim Prius available and since its there, why not?

    If anyone remembers my writeup on the all-new Avalon replacement in the form of the Crown, the highlight was not just the more modern vehicle inside and out but the Wireless Qi charger. The Limited trim Prius includes the best Qi charger in an automobile as well! ;)

    2023 Toyota Prius Limited

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    Wayne
     
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Here is the 2023 Toyota Prius Limited with the foam shelf cargo volume dimensions. The EPA Cargo Volume (Seats up) are 23.8 cu ft for the LE and 20.3 cu ft for both the XLE and Limited <-- Measured.

    Seats Up

    34.5" Depth
    36.5" Width
    22.0" Height at Center
    20.5" Height at Edges

    Seats Down

    64" Depth

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    Wayne
     
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  12. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Anyone know if the color matched front plate mount is removable?
     
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  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Trollbait:

    Every non-prototype I have seen has the front plate block attached.

    Wayne
     
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  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    While I do not own or have a 2017 - 2022 Prius available to measure the hatch dimensions, I do believe I performed this exact same exercise on some 2017s when they first arrived. They are unfortunately hidden deep within the media photos however.

    In any case, here is the 2017 - 2022 Prius Prime cargo dimensions to compare with the 23 Prius above.

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    Seats Up

    34" Depth
    37" Width
    20.5" Center Height
    19.5" Edge Height

    Seats Down

    64" Depth

    Wayne
     
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  15. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Spotted a photo without, but it could have been erased in post. In some photos, the mount and bumper looks one piece.
     
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  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Trollbait:

    I drove back over to the venue this morning to grab these two shots for you. The front plate block is molded into the fascia so there is no escaping it. :(

    2023 Toyota Prius Prime - Front Fascia

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    Wayne
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Below are a few new 2023 Toyota Prius adverts trailblazing the way for possible future owners enjoyment.

    “Black Sheep,” created by Saatchi & Saatchi, viewers see white sheep popping up throughout an urban landscape. In the next scene, a black Toyota Prius makes its way down a street past a herd of white sheep. The Prius stands out and takes off down the street displaying its sleek styling and performance.


    “Shadow,” a playful spot in which the Prius’ shadow is chasing it around town, showcasing the Prius’ advanced features and bold design along the way.


    “Buzz,” news of the all-new Prius spreads like wildfire, generating buzz and excitement as phones light up with the news, breaking conventions with its daring design – embodying the pioneering spirit of the new generation of Latinos.


    In the spot “Reborn,” an artist, like the Prius, is both smart and stylish. Together, the artist and her muse, the Prius, create an artistic masterpiece. In “Exhilarating,” the Prius’ stylish, powerful performance energizes a DJ, enabling him to create a vibrant performance of his own.



    The “This is Prius Now” Toyota Prius and Prius Prime campaign extends across linear TV, digital video, cinema, digital content, programmatic, out-of-home billboards, paid social, and search. High profile Network Prime cable, and sports programming includes NBA Playoffs and Finals, MLB Sunday Night games, NFL Draft, Gold Cup Tournament, WillowTV, and shows including “The Great North,” “Grey’s Anatomy,” and more. Digital content/video includes partners such as the HBO Max Sequential Stories, Hulu’s “Taste the Nation,” Peacock, Univision, and more. Partnerships include the Official Vehicle of the 2023 Met Gala, the Latin American Music Awards, NYLON and NYLON House, Forbes, Amazon, YouTube, La Entrevista podcast on Pandora, among others. Paid Social runs across TikTok, Meta, Snapchat, Reddit, LinkedIn, Pinterest and Twitch.

    Wayne
     
  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    A Toyota produced 2023 Toyota Prius specs and walkaround vid.


    Wayne
     
  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The 2023 Toyota Prius Overview.


    Wayne
     
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  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Marian wanted a second vehicle here in Nashville so I have a new 2023 Toyota Prius on the way. It took a little help from my contacts at Toyota due to lack of inventory everywhere but a new Supersonic Red, 2023 Toyota Prius LE with the 17s is heading to the port of Los Angeles from Japan and should arrive in the states in a week or two. I had to pay MSRP but that is about the best deal going for one right now.

    I know the exterior is red. I think the interior is black. And I think it arrives with mats and the sonic sensors. I have not yet seen the Monroney since it is still on a ship and was not yet allocated to a Toyota dealership. Until a few minutes ago anyway. ;)

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    Wayne
     
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