Meet the US Spec, All-new, 5th Gen, 2023 Toyota Prius Hybrid

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] There are so many technology upgrades and it’s a beauty to boot!

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – Nov. 16, 2022

    2023 Toyota Prius

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    Los Angeles, CA -- With global and local Prius sales having seen their best days when the second gen was released back in late 2003, early 2004, the Prius’ obituary has been written more than once by well-known pundits and EV enthusiasts worldwide.

    US Prius sales of 19,539 through Q3 2022 were down 31.8% below the 28,361 sold through Q3 of 2021. US Prius Prime sales of 7,469 through Q3 2022 were down 66.7% below the 22,407 sold through Q3 of 2021. With the loss of the $4,509 Fed tax credit this fall, the Prime sales decline was almost a forgone conclusion.

    Although sales have faltered over the years, the underpinning hybrid technology has made its way into almost every product Toyota makes with huge success. Toyota is after all the number one automaker in the world and the Hybrid technology the Prius provided drives over 20-million vehicles that tens of millions of us in compacts to pickup trucks to and from wherever and to wherever each day.

    This fuel saving technology and the platforms that use it are not going to disappear anytime soon no matter how hard the push for pure electric is. That said, Toyota is not about to give up on this world changing nameplate and for 2023, the all-new 5th gen brings to the table some attributes that most would have never thought possible from the premiere fuel saver in the world.

    2023 Toyota Prius

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    The thin lamp line and grille opening is modern and sleek as hell. The profile is not much more than a wing if it were attached to a fighter jet. Which means a Cd of ~ 0.22 and with a smaller frontal area – 1” wider but 2” shorter, reducing overall total drag by maybe 15 percent below that of the current 4th gen Prius (0.24) and Prius Prime (0.25)?

    Even with the new larger 17” alloys tucked even deeper into the wheel wells, the extremely well equipped – more on that down the story, the FWD Prius LE is targeting a 57-mpg combined rating, 1 more mpg than the 4th gen LE Eco which is essentially a stripper, and few bothered to purchase.

    And it gets even more interesting… How about 196 HP driving the once diminutive Prius to 60 in just 7.2 seconds! This is down from high-9s in the current 4th gen. That is not rocket ship level compared to the AWD electrics but if you can do the 0 to 60 dance in 7-seconds, what the hell do you have to complain about? ;)

    The price and on-sale date will be announced later this year. Fingers crossed on this one as the refreshed 23 Corolla experienced an honest to goodness price reduction despite including more std. safety and technology than at any time in its history.

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    2023 Toyota Prius Trims

    Available in LE, XLE and Limited trims, the 2023 Prius is built on a new second-generation TNGA-C platform, offering a lower center of gravity, lighter weight, and an even stiffer structure. If you have ever driven a 3rd gen to a 4th gen back-to-back – my sons 2013 Prius PHEV vs. my 2021 Prius Prime, the stability, cornering confidence, and just general driving comfort increased mightily. I expect an even better driving experience from the 2023 when it reaches US showrooms later this year.

    The trim breakout looks like this.

    2023 Toyota Prius LE includes:
    • 17” alloys with covers
    • 8” central infotainment display
    • 6 USB-C ports
    • Electronic Parking Brake (EPB) <-- This beats the hell out of that EPB pedal in all of our Prius’ currently. ;)
    • SofTex leather wrapped wheel
    • Blind Spot Monitor (BSM) with Rear Cross-Traffic Alert (RCTA)
    LE Options
    • Front and Rear Parking Assist with Automatic Braking (PA w/AB)
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    2023 Toyota Prius XLE adds:
    • 19” alloys
    • Auto Dimming Rear-View w/ Home Link
    • Two additional cup holders in back
    • Driver and front passenger heated seats
    • 8-way power driver’s seat
    • SofTex seats
    • Rain sensing wipers
    • Smart Key <-- Not on the LE???
    • Qi wireless charger
    • Direct light illumination
    • Front and Rear Parking Assist with Automatic Braking (PA w/AB)
    XLE Options
    • 12.3” central infotainment display
    • Fixed glass roof
    • Digital Key
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    Yeah, one of those too!​

    2023 Toyota Prius Limited adds:
    • 12.3” central infotainment display
    • JBL Premium Audio System with 8 speakers
    • Fixed glass roof
    • Heated wheel
    • Driver and front passenger heated and ventilated Seats
    • 8-way power driver’s seat with driver memory
    • Digital Key
    • Power hatch
    Limited Options
    • Advanced Park
    • Digital Rearview Mirror <-- Be careful with these. They give me instant nausea.
    • Heated rear seats
    • Panoramic View Monitor
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    Notice the new instrument cluster “IN FRONT OF THE DRIVER;)

    About those aerodynamics…

    The 5th gen Prius’ roofline is 2-inches lower than the current 4th gen. Ingress and egress is going to take a hit and especially into and out of the rear seats. A larger measure comes to the width which is almost 1” wider. I hope that it provides more shoulder and hip room to compensate. If we are allowed to sit in it tonight, I will let you know.

    About driver and passenger seating comfort… That lower roof height requires a lower seating hip point. Toyota dropped that metric by an inch. I am not sure this is good or bad so we will have to wait.

    Toyota lowered the Li-Ion battery placement under the rear seats for an even lower center of gravity. And with a smaller or better placed traction battery, Toyota states there is more total volume. The 1” longer length will surely help that spec too.

    The larger std. 17 and optional 19’s on the XLE and Limited trims do indeed look sharp as they fill those wells with alloy vs rubber. They will surely improve road holding capability at the limits as well. The downside is a higher expense at replacement time and possibly a harsher ride on rougher roads. This observation remains to be seen until we get out hands on one next month.

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    2023 Toyota Prius Drivetrain

    An enhanced 5th gen hybrid system provides both an efficiency increase and a huge jump in power. To begin, a heavily atkinsonized 2.0L replaces the 4th gens 1.8L. A new more powerful Li-Ion battery supplies the electrons while helping to keep the weight down.

    The available AWD system uses a single small motor out back just like the 4th gen AWD which improves traction on slick surfaces. It also ups performance a tad with 196 HP propelling it to 60 in just 7 seconds.

    Like Prius’ from the past, the 5th gen includes NORMAL, ECO and SPORT drive modes.

    I will try and get more detail on what they did to that engine to make it do what it does. Afterall, the 2.0L in the non-hybrid Corolla is not all that impressive but, in the Prius, it is!

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    2023 Toyota Prius Infotainment

    This is a huge upgrade… The head unit powering the 8” and 12.3” displays was designed and engineered by Toyota’s Texas-based Connected Technologies team. Our experience with this system in the bZ4X, Sequoia, Crown, RX and Corolla has shown it to be a solid wireless AA and ACP edition. This is an area where Toyota/Lexus was two generations behind competitors like Hyundai/Kia. That delta no longer exists and from my experience, Toyota nailed it with no BS like the high end fully electrics from the likes of both Tesla and Lucid. 1/2 to 1/4 the price and a more useable and user-friendly infotainment system that simply works. Just think about that.

    The new Multimedia system provides dual Bluetooth phone connectivity and an AT&T 4G Wi-Fi hotspot for up to five devices. Use your phone once the trail runs out as it more configurable, reliable, and less costly. HD Radio digital radio, USB data and a SiriusXM w/ a 3-month trial are also standard. A JBL Premium Audio system with 8-speakers is standard on the Limited but like most JBL systems, I am not expecting much from it. Yet.

    And just like the bZ4X, the 5th gen Prius includes some Over-the-Air (OTA) upgrade capability. What is upgradeable and what is not has yet to be disseminated.

    The std. Safety Connect includes an Emergency Assistance Button (SOS), 24/7 Enhanced Roadside Assistance, Automatic Collision Notification, Stolen Vehicle Locator and Collision Assistance with up to a 10-year trial. Service Connect provides drivers the ability to receive Vehicle Health Reports, Maintenance Alerts and reminders, also with up to a 10-year trial.

    With the Toyota app, LE trim buyers can order and XLE/Limited includes a 1-year trial of Remote Connect. With it, owners can activate headlights, lock/unlock the doors and remotely start the vehicle. Users can also check vehicle status, receive reminder notifications and set Guest Driver Alerts.

    Digital key is also available with Remote Connect for the XLE and Limited Grades – making it easy to lock and unlock doors, remote start from your smartphone.

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    2023 Toyota Prius Safety

    This is where the improvements are so useful! Having driven many Toyota vehicles with TSS 3.0, the 23 Prius will be a pleasant surprise vs the hodge podge of safety equipment we had and did not have in our 4th gen Prius’ and especially over the third gen.

    Blind Spot Monitor (BSM) with Rear Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA) is finally standard on all trims, not just later years or a Limited only for example. Front and Rear Parking Assist with Automatic Braking is optional on all trims. A Panoramic View Monitor is available on Limited while Advanced parallel and back in Park system is available on Limited.

    TSS 3.0 adds to or improves upon the current 4th gen’s TSS 2.0 with the following:
    • Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection <-- Improved
    • Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist <-- Improved
    • Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control
    • Lane Tracing Assist <-- Improved
    • Road Sign Assist <-- Improved
    • Auto High Beams
    • Proactive Driving Assist <-- New
    Proactive Driving Assist uses the vehicle’s camera and radar to provide gentle braking into curves and/or gentle braking and/or steering to help support driving tasks such as distance control between a preceding vehicle, pedestrian, or bicyclist.

    The Toyota Safety Sense improvements include:
    • Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection improves intersection support with the ability to detect motorcyclists, bicyclists and pedestrians
    • Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist can now detect 3D objects like guardrails
    • Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control adds a fourth following distance setting and can now detect more than one preceding vehicle and those in adjacent lanes
    • Lane Tracing Assist now provides more space between vehicles being passed in adjacent lanes
    • Inattentive Emergency Driving Stop Shas been added to Lane Tracing Assist
    • Road Sign Assist now detects and displays intersection and warning signs
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    Early Conclusions

    With its more dynamic profile and upgrade in acceleration performance to match, this may change the minds of some of those thinking the Prius was never for them. Again, 0 to 60 in 7-seconds only gets you into an accident 3 seconds quicker than WOT in the current 4th gen. I am just happy to hear that the LE and possibly the XLE will be more efficient than the LE Eco that is the current world leader.

    The more std. interior with an actual driver display in front of the driver should take away the stigma of weirdness for difference’s sake. Did you notice there is no split rear window now too? Only the 4th gen Prius Prime had a good rear sightline. Let us see how the all-new 5th gen performs in that regard.

    An infotainment that works is not just a godsend for anyone that has owned and driven Toyota’s within the past 10-years, it is an essential tool to make navigation, taking calls, and voicing in and receiving texts safer. With this new system including wireless AA and ACP, Toyota has caught up and even surpassed many competitors.

    And the safety functionality. From the 3rd gens basic systems to the 4th gens TSS 2.0 on later year offerings was the beginning of Toyota’s advanced safety assist push. The all-new TSS 3.0 in every Toyota I have driven to date is good and its inclusion in the 5th gen just makes the 2023 Prius a better vehicle from a safety perspective.

    Let us hope the price does not get to far out of hand as I like this one.

    After tonight’s static reveal, we are heading to the Short lead in Del Mar early next month. That is when we will place that drivetrain’s promise to the test. And I cannot wait. :)

    2023 Toyota Prius Prime

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    Now that is a beautiful rear end.​

    And the 2023 Prius Prime? I will writeup a separate post on that one. As a preview, how about a 50% increase in all-electric range, possibly a 6.6 KW onboard charger, a 0 to 60 time of just 6.6 seconds, and a solar roof that provides upwards of 500+ miles of range per year over a non-solar roof equipped Prime. It will not be available until possibly next spring but "Oh yeah!"
     
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    To see it in person is always better than a pic.

    The TNGA-C platform/chassis lowers the fuel tank which helps lower the center of gravity spec as well.

    The extra power comes from a new motor and battery. No one is willing to release any specs other than an extra 100 HP in the Prime.

    The Prime's Li-Ion pushes out more current for higher performance vs the current Prime as well.

    Trims include LE, XLE, and Limited on Prius and SE, XSE and XSE Premium on Prime.

    82-million tons of CO2 was not placed into the air thanks to the 20-million Hybrids sold to date

    100% carbon neutral construction by 2035. This is part of the Beyond Zero program the bZ4X is also a part of...

    I was able to finally sit in one. I was worried that the driver display would be covered by the wheel like the bZ4X since it uses the same cowl. Toyota raised the driver display up just enough so there was a bit better sightline to the display. Not perfect but better.

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    My line of sight was only slightly lower than the pic so I could see the bottom of the display. Barely but it was fine.

    The ingress and egress with the lower roofline? There is less room both into and out of those back seats so bending your neck is a requirement for taller passengers.

    Wayne
     
  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The 19s on the Prius Limited and Prime XSE are Toyo Extensa A/S' in 195/50/R19 sizing? I have never heard of them?

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    Wayne
     
  4. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    I really like it. And 57mpg combined is a solid number with the PimpMyRide tire and wheel selection. With Wayne hitting triple digits in segment mpg in the pre '23 Prime, the all new one is all but sure to offer more. And I really like the looks. If I had to describe it, I would call it the love child of a Tesla Model Y and a giant Tylenol. I'd take the Limited with the heated wheel and heated/cooled seats and then hit Tire Rack for smaller lightweight wheels and skinny tires.
    Here's hoping that Toyota finds a way to build enough of them to keep dealers from tacking on a 25% boost in asking price with silly pinstriping and lojack and nitrogen and illegal tint and stick-on chrome window trim.
     
  5. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I don't understand what's wrong with my parking brake. It works.
    Is it supposed to so something else in addition, like maybe make coffee ?
     
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  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I like that idea.
     
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  7. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    This is a home run for Toyota. What's not to like ? Besides the giant tires.
    I wonder what the dealers will try to do.
    I may try to build a relationship with three local dealers , and see if
    they can get an Edwin-spec car.
     
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  8. Lee Moon

    Lee Moon Member

    Thanks so very much for the great info and pix, Wayne!

    I love this new Prius and look forward to getting more details as they become public. :)

    I always enjoy your thoughts and perspectives on these previews and reviews. Can't wait for you to get hands on results and impressions on this awesome new Prius series.

    My impressions are that the car is stunningly cool. The airfoil shape is very sophisticated, modern, and ultra-cool looking. The design looks way more Lexus than Toyota to my eye. Again, that elegant and high end design language just pops out. It really elevates the Prius look.

    I love my new 2022 Chevy Bolt, and we still have mom's 2010 Honda Insight, but this Prius has me thinking about replacing the Insight with a 2023 Prius/Prius Prime.

    Thanks again, Wayne!!

    Lee
     
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  9. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    It looks way more Tesla to me. Strange that they forgot to make it look as wacky as the 4th generation.
     
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  10. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I would have been okay with a bit more wackiness. Isn't that why people bought Saabs ?
     
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  11. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    My first impression of the front straight on was X-Peng. Then a high front angle view of the hood, I could see Prius. The rear angled view reminded me of a Chrysler mumble large sedan. I love the profile. The promo profile photos look stretched to me, though the wheels/tires were still round, so maybe just an illusion to me. I saw a real-life, non-promo photo and it looked/felt shorter.

    re: hammerhead - I'm not sure I'm looking at the right spots that define the hammerhead, but it seems all new cars are looking that way, including Lucid. Maybe the way to go for aero reasons...

    Interesting choice of tire. Very wasteful, but I like the wheel/tire combo replacement route as well. Maybe instead of dedicated snows, just switch to a 3-peak rated all-around tire (with smaller wheels). It won't have the same LRR benefit though.

    I definitely like the bigger battery and EV range. We're running mostly EV now with PHEVs with half the battery capacity.
     
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    All-new, 5th Gen, 2023 Toyota Prius

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  13. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Wow, Toyota has knocked this one out of the park. The biggest flaws in prev-Priuses were the underpowered drivetrain and the ugly styling. The new one absolutely destroys the previous gens on both counts.

    I could see an LE-AWD doing it all for me someday. I don't really need a full-on AWD system, but Toyota's "mild AWD" would be lovely to have in extra-slick conditions when you can't get more than 9 hp per axle to the road anyway. And at least in the prev gen, there was very little penalty in weight, cargo space, MPG or even price.
     
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  14. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    The tires are already skinny; 195 is the same width as the current Prime. The 18in wheels on my Subaru are 225. They also aren't low profile plus sizes to the current model; the diameter is about 2 inches bigger, making them more Camry sized than Corolla. So taller effective final ratio. Less revolutions per mile equal less rpm from the engine. Weight could likely be improved with smaller wheels.

    The 195/50R19 is supposedly a common size in Japan, including snow tires. Like 0w16 oil, availability should improve. Options should get better than for the i3. Actually, the 175/60R19 for the i3 should fit the new Prius.

    Nothing wrong with it. Though the push to engage, then push to disengage never seemed to best option for a brake. Manufacturers moved to EPB for the weight savings. Why keep using a steel bar for the switch when a plastic button will do?
     
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  15. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    My current 15s are 65 series. These fatties are 50s
     
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  16. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    ... and may weigh more than the steel wheels of my previous cars.
     
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  17. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Now the next big question is pricing, which I'll be watching anxiously. Given how so many cars have had HUGE base-price increases (did the CR-V's base price really just go up by $5k?!?!) I'm a little concerned about Toyota holding the line, especially with the car now being such an attractive proposition.

    Then of course there will be the base-model shortage. Still can't get base models of most EVs, for example, even those that have been out for a while, as well as a LOT of other cars. This frugal base-model buyer is hoping base models start showing up on lots over the next months as shortages ease. But Toyota's behind the others in catching up their inventories, so still not real optimistic about when LEs will actually show up.
     
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  18. litesong

    litesong litesong

    November 17, 2022:
    Saabs were nice. I almost bought one. It was “new”, but previous year’s model, so was priced very low. I should have bought it, but didn’t like the paint. My car that I did buy was in repairs all the time. If the Saab had been in repairs all the time, at least I would have known, & never looked back.

    Yeah, I should have bought the Saab. Actually, the only good car of five I was considering, was a Datsun 1200. Now that one, I should have bought.
     
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