Porsche’s Taycan Meets Up with America’s Artemis 1

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] From one rocket ship to another, “Verify go for launch!”

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – Oct. 26, 2022

    Artemis 1


    Cape Canaveral, FL -- Approximately 1.8-million years ago, the first human with thought gazed at the night sky and imagined what was up there. Since then, the desire to understand the space above has enticed explorers, scientists, and engineers the world over to push the envelope of understanding “what is really up there.”

    In 1957, the first artificial satellite circled the earth which sparked a frenzy of engineering activity leading to a famous speech on May 25th, 1961, by the 35th President of the United States:
    Before the decade had come to a close, Neil Armstrong walked on the moon.

    Verify go for launch. 10, 9, Ignition sequence start, 6, 5, 4, 3, Go for main engine start. We have main engine start. 2, 1. All Engines running, booster ignition, 0, we have liftoff...

    Artemis 1 Ready on Pad 39B at Dawn

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    Artemis 1 is NASA’s name for a test of its latest deep space exploration system. It includes the Orion space capsule, the Space Launch System (SLS) – aka. rocket, and the ground control systems at the Kennedy Space Center.

    The SLS can produce 8.8 million pounds of thrust, the most powerful rocket ever built. It is even more powerful than the 7.5 million pounds of thrust Saturn V which took men to the moon for the first and last time almost 50 years ago.

    The first liftoff will take the Orion capsule to the Moon and use its gravitational force to propel Orion 40,000 miles beyond, the farthest away any spacecraft built for humans has ever flown.

    The mission will end with the unmanned Orion capsule returning safely to Earth just off the coast of San Diego, CA with an initial deorbit speed of ~ 25,000 mph, the fastest deorbit speed of any soon to be manned capsule in history. At peak, the heat shield will be subjected to temperatures of approximately 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit. With future manned Artemis missions going back to the Moon, Mars is now in NASA’s cross hairs.

    Porsche – Like Artemis 1, Porsche was built upon innovative engineering and force of spirit. Prior to incorporation, Ferdinand Porsche, the company founder, was involved in advanced automotive engineering from the very start. In 1898, he designed a vehicle powered by an electric motor. A year later, he engineered the first electric wheel hub motor.

    The Taycan and Crew

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    Anticipation building.​

    To that end, the state of the art, all-electric Taycan embodies the innovative engineering that took men to the moon and allows us to drive one of the most desired sports cars on the planet. In this instance, Porsche asked if I was willing to drive a Taycan down to Cape Canaveral for a video crew to film their state of the art all-electric with the state-of-the-art Artemis launching as a backdrop. Who could say no to that? ;)

    The Drive

    When tasked to drive the Taycan down to the Cape for the initial launch window early on the morning of 29 August, I endeavored to go “further.” Few will go to the lengths to achieve a vehicles potential and to that end, straight line route planning along US highways and State routes was in the cards...

    After picking up a RWD Taycan w/ 20” aero alloys and Performance tires from Porsche’s North America HQ in Atlanta, I drove to the Electrify America (EA) DCFCer in Forsyth, GA. From there, the EA in Cocoa, FL just over 400 miles away was a stretch goal. To make a long story short, the Taycan made it there on a single charge and it made it back on a single charge. And that is all I have to say about that. ;)

    Launch Day

    The experience of a NASA launch along the Eastern coast of Florida is something you must see to believe. Cruising up and down Highway 1, there were hundreds of thousands of people with lawn chairs parked wherever they could find a spot and camped to get a look at Artemis 1 as it would go up. Porsche prearranged a location for the Taycan and the video production team to setup and record the event. As the launch window opened, it was only a matter of time with everyone literally on the edge of their seats. There were enough radios surrounding us that you could hear the launch delay details in real time.

    And then it happened. There was an audible “Oh No” from the crowd and a mass exodus began back to vehicles with highway 1 jammed just moments later. The first attempt of the Artemis 1 mission was scrubbed due to a hydrogen leak… Two hours later with traffic cleared, it was time to head home.

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    Artemis 1 in the distance awaiting its trip back to the Vehicle Assembly Building (VAB) with the Taycan ready for its own long drive back to Atlanta.​

    A second launch attempt in early September was scrubbed due to a suspected faulty temperature sensor inside one of the rocket's core stage engines. A third window was closed thanks to Hurricane Ian. The fourth window begins at 12:07 AM EST on Nov. 14 so stay tuned.

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    A mandatory 30-minute stop at the Kennedy Space Visitor Center was in order.​

    2022 Porsche Taycan GTS

    For the 2022 MY, a new Taycan GTS trim was introduced. The standard AWD sedans single-speed front motor and rear motor with two-speed rear transmission provides a combined 590 hp propelling the sports car to 60 in just 3.5 seconds.

    The GTS incorporates the larger 93.4 kWh Battery with the same 800-volt architecture allowing charging rates up to 270 kW and the ability to charge from 5 to 80% in just 19-minutes! Personal experience here.

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    Inside the GTS, the multi-screen dash carrys over but the driver and passenger seats are 18-way powered w/ memory functions and “GTS” logos on the front and rear headrests. The door sill guards, and interior trim is brushed black aluminum and the accent package is black. Roof lining and steering-wheel are also covered in Race-Tex. The latest infotainment now includes wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, Auto climate, and the Porsche Charging Planner. All of this plus a glass panoramic roof and more is standard. A Variable Light Control roof is optional.

    2022 Porsche Taycan

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    Notice Google Maps on the central display wirelessly! ;)

    Outside, the GTS includes the Sport Design front fascia and side skirts w/ GTS logos. The standard 20" Aero alloys feature an exclusive satin-black finish, and the rear light strip features the Porsche logo in black. Finally, the LED-Matrix-Design headlights are tinted in black, and the exterior mirror cap-bottoms are painted in body color.

    Underpinning the GTS are larger 390 mm front rotors (vs 360 mm on the Taycan 4S). Adaptive Air Suspension with Smart Lift and Porsche Active Suspension Management, Porsche Torque Vectoring Plus and Sport Chrono Package including the GT Multifunction Steering Wheel and Mode Dial are also standard.

    Optionally available performance equipment includes Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control, Rear-Axle Steering, and 21" alloys in satin black.

    Why bring up this new performance oriented AWD trim when highlighting the Taycan at a NASA Rocket launch? This new trim not only provides better performance than the 4S, but it also provides more range than the std. 225-mile rated range RWD Taycan with an EPA rated 246 miles!

    Pricing for the GTS sedan starts at $134,100 w/ D&H adding $1,450 USD.
     
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  2. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Wayne said:
    Pricing for the GTS sedan starts at $134,100 w/ D&H adding $1,450 USD.
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    litesong said:
    Ah, haaa……… 1/10th of the Taycan’s (Tin Can) price is almost what we paid for our manual Hyundai Elantra, when brand new.
    The last drive of our almost 10 year old automatic Elantra with over-sized tires, across the mountains & back to Eastern Washington AND running through a twisty canyon, gave over 41mpg. The manual Elantra would have beat that MPG. Yeap……no diesel, no hybrid, no super-charger, no turbo-charger, not even a high compression standard engine.
     
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  3. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    And the Elantra is 1/10 of the Taycan.
    But most likely oversize tires wouldn't even fit on the Taycan.
     
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  4. litesong

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    Our two Elantras have a total 180,000+ miles & only one repair, because my wife is a safe driver, but not an efficient driver. Someone has put 1 million miles on their Elantra. Let the Tin Can put up or shut up.
    As for the tires, yes, the over-sized(& used & dead cheap) tires work well & really help stretch the Elantra legs. Several times, I have had 225mm wide tires on the Elantra (probably NOT recommended by Hyundai), while the narrowest Tin Can tire has also been a 225mm. I suspect some people pay nearly as much for fancy, BIG Tin Can wheels & tires as our manual Elantra cost. Oh, & I used to drive cars that had LESS than 10% of the top 750 HP Tin Can engine. I must say tho, I love the 2 speed transmission of the Tin Can.

    Meanwhile, we & our Elantras are driving on the road, while Tin Cans are getting repaired……repairs costing nearly the price of an…….Elantra? Yes, Edwin is right. The Elantra is 1/10th that of the Tin Can.
     
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  5. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    You don't buy a Porsche for efficiency or reliability. And if given the choice over a Porsche or a Hyundai for a trip, most will likely chose the Porsche just for the experience. The Elantra is a commodity car. Completely debadge it, and most couldn't tell it apart from its Toyota, Honda, etc. competitor.
     
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  6. litesong

    litesong litesong

    You’re right. I don’t buy a Porsh…..can’t even spell it.
    Actually, the 2011-16 Series Elantras were unique…..until many car builders tried to “copy” the look. To the extent other manufacturers copied the Elantra, they were successful. To the extent other manufacturers changed their look from the Elantra, they failed.
    But why do you compare Toyota, Honda, etc. to Elantra? Elantra is purchased much cheaper than all the others……except for their KIA kin.
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    You will probably never drive a Porsche and in particular a Taycan but when you do, I can guarantee that your perspective will change. ;)

    2021 Porsche Taycan on I-80

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    Seconds before the "Ion Drive" reached operating temp and thrust!​

    Verify go for launch. 10, 9, Ignition sequence start, 6, 5, 4, 3, Go for main engine start. We have main engine start. 2, 1. All Engines running, booster ignition, 0, we have liftoff... :D :D :D

    Wayne
     
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  8. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member


    Which mile marker is that sign near? I've probably been there, but not recently. I-40 goes higher. Probably I-68, too.
     
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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Redylc:
    Just east of exit 111. I-80s highest occurs on the West side of the Mississippi at 8,640' ASL near Buford, WY.

    I looked up the 40 and 68 peaks. I40s highest point is just west of Flagstaff, AZ and peaks at 7,320' ASL.
    I68 peaks at 2,880' ASL in MD somewhere?

    Wayne
     
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  10. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    What exactly was there to copy from that Elantra? It was a nondescript sedan like the others. The door ridge/crease? Hyundai copied that from Mercedes and BMW. Many Hyundai's and Kia's had design elements 'inspired' by the Europeans.
    Because my comment wasn't about purchase price, but market segment; compact commuter. If it had come to mind when I wrote that post, I'd have included the Sentra. A car with a MSRP lower than the Elantra, from a brand known to give discounts.
     
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  11. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    I seem to remember Wayne extensively praising the styling of that generation Elantra. My opinion was that "zero-radius" creases were kinda stupid, even though fashionable.
     
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  12. litesong

    litesong litesong

    I met someone who put a Mercedes hood ornament on a pre-2011 Hyundai & everyone thought his car was a Mercedes. However, the the 2011-16 Hyundais (specially the Elantra) were their own styling. Hyundai made lots of money & other companies did a lot of Hyundai copying..

    Of course, your comment was about price & Hyundai thanks you for the comparison. A majority(?) of people compare Hyundai(KIA) to Toyota, Honda…….& I say again, Hyundais are bought at lesser prices than the rest….even despite many companies copying Hyundai.
     
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  13. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Seen an Audi emblem on a Ridgeline. Don't know who they were trying to fool.

    Still not seeing what anybody copied from the Elantra.

    The Elantra hybrid starts $1700 more than the Corolla hybrid. Then the Corolla LE is $1000 more than the Elantra SE. To match the Corolla's features, including cruise control and advanced safety aids, you'll have to upgrade to the SEL and get the convenience package for $3150 more.
     
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  14. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Rich people do NOT HAVE to depend on efficiency or reliability. Rich people depend on worker bees, so rich people can take an unfair share of worker production.
     
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  15. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    In communism ( always small letters ) everyone gets a fair share of worker production.

    Talk about rocking the boat !
     
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  16. litesong

    litesong litesong

    That’s the communist propaganda, which is lies from the beginning.
     
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  17. litesong

    litesong litesong

    & now, the Elantra styling is not only “fashionable”, but supremely excellent, & long enduring. Ten more years, & they will be classic, even with 200,000 miles. MAYBE if I get a 2023 Chevy Bolt & it becomes our GOTO car for mileage, the 2013 Elantra at least, may not have 200,000 miles. However, my wife NEEDS the 2016 manual 6 speed to suit her personality.
    Never do I tire of watching both our 2013 automatic & 2016 manual Elantras next to each other. Yes, yes, I still make extra trips to the garage to look at them, specially with the over-sized tires. Even got both of them in the preferred Venetian Red.

    One thing: I can’t expect only 1 repair for the NEXT 185,000+ miles of total distance for the 2 cars. BUT, my mechanic of 25 years will repair the Elantras with as little monetary outflow as possible.
     
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  18. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

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  19. litesong

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    Unable to plaster Hyundai Elantras to the wall, trollbait is reduced to sarcasm. From the beginning, people have been saying my Elantra brags will catch up to me. Well…..now with 15+ car-years of Elantra car experience, my brags have turned to astonishments. Elantras have been so fine, we may even have money “fer one of them there Chevy Bolt, Elek-trisitee VEE-hick-els”. Maybe we will find out if EVs are good or a waste of money.
    Anyhow, Eric Ways, after 157,000 miles in his 2017 Chevy Bolt, & due to sporadic fires, just got a new FREE battery pack in his 2017. His old battery pack was still going, altho down about 10% in range. It had given him excellent service, despite too much faster charging & too much speed on the Freeways.
     
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  20. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Just want to know what exactly everybody is copying from Hyundai.

    And trying not to post pics of the Ioniq 6 in a Porsche thread.
     
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