Ioniq with a Boot (#BritishEnglish) - The 2023 Elantra Hybrid

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  1. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    [​IMG] My journey to a new ride from Hyundai.

    Chris Bernius – CleanMPG – Sept. 23, 2022


    We have all read the stories and watched the videos of the Supply Chain Issues and Chip Shortage. We see factories and chip fabricators idled until their workforce is virus-free. As increased production appears to be "coming soon", inflation and increases in interest rates mean our cars - new and used - are about to get more expensive, both in transaction price and in monthly payment when financed.

    The trade-in prices have been on a downward trend since mid-summer and increases in loan defaults - a function of people overbuying and overestimating their budget - will push them down further as the repo cars start to hit the auction block. And more low-mile repos mean fewer new cars need to be built because there is a healthy supply of bank-owned inventory.

    The problem within the problem is that people who really need a car can't find one. Look at what is on the lot and ready for spot delivery, and you find older FSPs with higher mileage, and they typically look like they've been used for shooting storm chaser videos on YouTube, or they've been used as getaway cars in bank robberies. If you were to wander onto the lot at the exact moment that two Seasoned Citizens were trading in their fuel efficient, babied, garaged, well-appointed vehicle, you'd end up paying a little more than the cost of a new car, by the time they added in all the fees (tire air fee at $3.99/lb, 32lb of air, $127.68 per tire). And if you don't want to pay the price, step aside. There's someone behind you who will.

    Faced with the reality of the auto market as it looks today and looking ahead to realize it will get worse before it gets better, I decided it was time to buy something new. It would be an addition to the driveway rather than a replacement of anything already there. If one car gets wrecked, burned, stolen, serious/sudden mechanical catastrophe, etc, there's another car available for transportation. The challenge in buying a new car is finding one that is not only on the lot and ready to drive home but is selling at or around MSRP. There are dealers doing exactly that, while some are charging more than $10,000 over MSRP. You can find the worst offenders, as well as the no-markup retailers, at to see how dealers in your area are pricing their inventory.

    Time to use a little strategy. As gas prices have fallen to about 2/3 of their all-time high, people with the shortest memories are back to shopping for 300+hp V6 AWD 2+ton Circus Wagon EX(travaganza) lease queens. So, what are you most likely to find sitting there alongside the locomotive with square wheels or the Charlie-In-The-Box on the Island of Misfit Toys? Ah yes, the lowly midsize sedan. These days, people would rather be seen with an "I Kick Puppies" bumper sticker on their daily driver than to be seen driving a sedan. What will the neighbors think of you, with only one drive wheel and no chrome brush guards or mud tires or tacky trim level names borrowed from deserts or rainforests or Native American groups?

    And if choosing a sedan dramatically increases your chances of finding something "available now", search for the more fuel-efficient version to further improve the likelihood of success. And then the clincher - the Limited trim version that will push the monthly payment for most households into the Red Zone, so you have a better chance of finding one in inventory, with one or more spider webs on the mirrors to indicate the passage of time. Hmmm. How about something spotted locally, painted in an inoffensive platinum metallic ("Fluid Metal", as they say), in the sedan form factor, with its "boot" displaying the following identification?


    The 2023 Hyundai Elantra Limited retails for $29,000 + D&H of $1,045.

    Std. equipment includes the following:

    •1.6L I4 Hybrid mated to a 6-speed DCT
    •4-wheel disc brakes
    •17-inch Alloy wheels w/ 225/45R17 tires
    •LED DRLs
    •Solar glass control
    •Motor Driven Power Steering (MDPS)
    •Multi-link Rear Suspension
    •PTC Heater •Dual automatic temperature control
    •Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist w/ Pedestrian Detection
    •Blind-Spot Collision-Avoidance Assist (BCA)
    •Rear Cross-Traffic Collision-Avoidance Assist (RCA)
    •Safe Exit Waring (SEW)
    •Lane Keeping Assist (LKA)
    •Lane Following Assist (LFA)
    •Safe Exit Warning & Rear Occupant Alert
    •Electronic Parking Brake (EPB)
    •LED headlamps
    •Proximity key w/ push button start and hands-free smart trunk release
    •Driver’s auto-up window
    •Illuminated vanity mirrors and sliding sun visors
    •Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist w/ Pedestrian, Cyclist and Junction-Turning Detection
    •Parking Distance Warning - Reverse
    •Highway Drive Assist (HDA)
    •High Beam Assist (HBA)
    •Parking Collision-Avoidance Assist – Reverse (PCA-R)
    •Driver Attention Warning (DAW)
    •Advanced dual front airbags w/ Occupant Classification System (OCS)
    •Front seat-mounted side-impact airbags
    •Roof-mounted side-curtain airbags
    •Vehicle Stability Management (VSM)
    •Electronic Stability Control (ESC)
    •Traction Control System (TCS)
    •Hill Assist Control (HAC)
    •Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) w/ Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD)
    •Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)
    •Smart Cruise Control w/ Stop & Go
    •Electronic Parking Brake (EPB)
    •Dark chrome exterior accents
    •LED + bulb taillights
    •Side mirror turn signal indicators
    •Heated outside mirror
    •Rearview camera w/ dynamic guidelines
    •Auto headlamp control
    •Full 10.25-inch LCD TFT cluster
    •Power windows w/ driver’s auto-down
    •Bluetooth hands-free phone
    •Map lights w/ dome lamp & trunk lamp
    •Leather-trimmed seating
    •6-way adjustable driver’s seat w/ lumbar
    •Heated front seats
    •Ventilated front seats
    •Driver Integrated Memory Seating System (IMS)
    •Leather-wrapped steering wheel and shifter
    •Wireless charging pad
    •Passenger seat back pocket
    •Auto-dimming rearview mirror
    •Ambient LED interior lighting
    •Dynamic voice recognition
    •Hyundai digital key
    •4-way adjustable passenger seat
    •Center armrest w/ flip-up storage compartment
    •60/40 split folding rear seatback with armrest & cup holders
    •Compact spare tire
    •10.25-inch Display AM/FM/HD/SXM w/ Navigation
    •Bose Premium Audio w/8 speakers
    •Wired Apple CarPlay and Android Auto
    •Blue Link Connected Car Service
    •Dual USB Input
    •12V outlet (1)

    Up front, as we saw above, the Angry Whale Shark styling theme is appealing, and looks far better in states that don't require a front plate.


    The profile is an attractive wedge with the hybrid listed with a drag coefficient of 0.28, or 10% lower than the 0.31 of the more basic Elantra models. Within the wheelbase is the Mark Of Zorro sheet metal theme that is sure to give your local body shop fits if the car ever gets sideswiped and needs some door repair.


    Now, the real reason for buying an Elantra Hybrid is to greatly reduce the number of recycled dinosaurs we need to buy from terrorist countries. The Elantra Hybrid has two trim levels - the basic Blue and the rolling-computer-lab Limited. The Blue, with its lighter curb weight and modest wheel/tire fitment wears a 53/56/54 rating on its Monroney sticker. The Limited ladles on the luxury and is adorned with a wheel/tire package that would be at home in an MTV video. (Do they make videos anymore?) The added weight and the motorhome tires earn it a 49/52/50 rating. That's down 4 on each: City, Highway and Combined.


    The dynamometer test results inside the blue box show what CleanMPG drivers aim for in their daily driving. Surpass them and that's really Beating the EPA.

    CleanMPG's definition of Hypermiling is simple. Beat the EPA estimate in whatever you're driving. Over the years, over 15000 people have joined, and we can reasonably conclude that most have taken the initiative to beat the EPA in their vehicles. There has been a wide range of success, and world records have been set. We will never know how many millions of gallons of petroleum have been saved by CleanMPGers doing what they do every day. And the majority of CleanMPG hypermilers compound their savings by choosing fuel efficient vehicles for their daily drivers.

    The Elantra Hybrid Limited - EPA of 50mpg combined - is fun to drive, with its fully independent suspension, long wheelbase and sharp steering. And it's wildly capable. Here's what I saw after the 18-mile 50/50 city/highway trip home from the dealer.


    The car itself is very clearly still learning how to behave, and learning how I drive, so I suspect the only way to go is up. There's no OBD gage in there yet, so we're flying blind other than the stock i-FCD that appears to max out at an abysmal 75mpg. Still, beating the EPA by 55% on the first drive home in a new car on dealer-flattened tire pressure in the Hankook Kinergy GT tires is very encouraging.

    This is going to be a fun and frugal journey with the new Elantra Hybrid.
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Chris:

    Excellent!!! :)

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  3. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I love it ! But not the boot. How about a true liftback ?

    I don't NEED a car. But this (and Corolla Hybrid) looks good.

    Please keep us posted , Chris.
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  4. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    I am keeping the Kia Soul - which has the hatch and lots of cargo space. When it's time to haul bulky items, it's the perfect choice. The HEH with the split folding rear seats can handle long-n-flat, like lumber, shelving, and even TVs up to maybe 65 inches. For use as a commuter, which is most of the mileage racked up every year, it will cut fuel consumed by more than half.
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  5. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    I took the HEH to church this morning, and it was a blast to drive. Hyundai uses a VESS, or Virtual Engine Sound System, to provide sound for pedestrians to hear so they are aware of approaching vehicles. The sound is half flying saucer and half Apple computer startup tone. It does draw attention from people who hear what they think is an alien spacecraft driving along.

    My sister has a 2022 Sonata Hybrid (Limited, with the solar roof) and it has the same Area 51 soundtrack. I always know it's her driving up to the curb because of the sound.

    The Elantra hybrid has a fairly small battery pack, so you need to do a lot of coasting to avoid waking the engine. On the plus side, it rolls really well. I'm waiting to get a couple of hundred miles on the tires to break them in before pressing them up.
    When the engine does start, it's not noticeable. There is an EV indicator in the dash cluster, but I also leave the radio display on Hybrid to see the power flow, where the little orange arrows show power flowing from the engine to the wheels and the battery. It's the classic Hyundai hybrid strategy - roll down the road in EV until the charge gets low and then fire the engine and run it at max load to power the car and charge the battery, then switch back to EV.
    I did find that you can boot the car and move it from one parking spot to another without the engine waking up.

    I downloaded the owners manual for reference. The 1.6L engine uses 0w20 oil. Nice! And nice of Hyundai to make the manuals available and downloadable. By the time I got the car, I already knew how to configure everything.

    Tomorrow (Monday) is the inaugural drive to the office. It's mostly light-to-light and the segment on the highway is rarely steady speed because of the cell phone crackpots and narcissists, but hybrids shine in that environment. I am optimistic!
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  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    If I owned this car , I would find a way to TURN OFF THAT GOLDARNED SOUND.
    Can you customize the sound ?
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  7. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    There is no way to select a different tone - at least in the Elantra's implementation. If there was, I would select the most obnoxious Bustin Jieber tune I could find (maybe that stupid rant about buying produce in arizona) and blast that to chase everybody away from the car.

    On one of the Ioniq forums, someone connected the VESS speaker to a raspberry pi computer that generated the CAN data needed to fiddle with the tone. Made it really wild. Some people tape over the speaker - six layers of tape seems to be the magic number - and others unplug the speaker and connect a resistor in its place to keep the error messages away.

    They don't offer a way to turn it off because Uncle Sam says it needs to be on vehicles that can run almost silent. But like any typical government idiocy, it always backfires. On the trip in this morning, the car was sitting there at the red light - engine off and Mac bootup "oooooh" audible, and a woman crossing the street stopped in front of the car to look at it and try to figure out what the noise was. So the safety feature actually encourages people to run out in front of your car and stand there. Nice work, government nannies.
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  8. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I'll have to check my hybrid cars, but I don't remember there being a sound when stopped, other than in reverse. I must be wrong, and so used to it my mind blanks it out.

    Edit: It is possible I only remember it in reverse when stopped because I would usually be backing out of the garage, so sounds are more easily heard.
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  9. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Hyundai seems to fire up the speaker when the car is in gear - forward or reverse. In reverse, you get the submarine sonar soundtrack - boop... boop... boop... - along with the flying saucer. When stopped, the volume is low, and then it starts to build as the car rolls, fading away as you reach maybe 20mph (hopefully not in reverse). It fades in and out rather than switching on and off.

    Any EV/HEV/PHEV that can run silent at low speeds requires what they call an "electric vehicle warning sound" - for those built after Sep 2020.

    I think it will be fun to watch the "vaping and ink" crowd try desperately to add a fart can to the VESS to make their electrified slammed Fast&Furious wannabe go BRRRRAAAAAPPPP* like a tuned VTEC while racing down the road.

    * It is expected that language scholars will contribute a note pointing out that the word "brrrrraaappp" is an onomatopoeia.
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  10. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    The blame rests with the people 'worried' about the blind. They pushed for this without doing research to see if silent cars were actually a risk, or rule out other factors, like thicker A-pillars blocking drivers' sight of pedestrians.

    It is possible to turn off the device on older models. There was a period were cars needed them installed, but not mandatory on.
    Reports for Toyotas is that it is hard to hear inside the car. Might have to be next to a barrier or in a garage to catch it with the window down.
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  11. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    And what's wrong with vaping and ink , lol ?
    I agree 100%. My kids ( and their spouses ) all have the mandatory tattoos , but thankfully
    no nicotine in any form.

    Language scholars ? Looks around , sees none.
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  12. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    I used to work with a couple of "those people". Very extravagant lifestyle they have - tattoos cost a small fortune, vaping isn't cheap, and adding a bunch of silly decals and a nitrous kit that promises to grenade the engine are the easy way to get rid of all that dirty green money.

    Maybe it's time to get some white shoe polish and write 10.45 on the windshield so the street racers will think my little Elantra hybrid keeps up with the Hellcats in the quarter mile.

    I will take up vaping the day I find out that you can put butter and Log Cabin syrup in the little electric pen, so you can enjoy a stack of flapjacks without having to cook. Walking around smelling like an IHOP is not necessarily a bad thing.
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  13. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Pancakes. Mmmmmm.
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  14. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Thursday night (9/29), with almost 300 miles showing on the odometer, it was time to press up the tires. I took them to 48 for now. It appears to have made a difference.

    Recall Marty McFly driving a not-quite-stock DeLorean in the parking lot of the Twin Pines Mall? The dash read "88" and as Doc said, "some serious sh** happened".


    I can report that while driving the Elantra Hybrid, getting the aFCD on the dash to read 88 does not cause any serious sh** to happen. If you weren't looking for it, you might miss it.

    Slogging in heavy rush hour congestion on a highway in the NYC suburbs, getting the glide just right to maintain the buffer, the (not so) little Hyundai hybrid is in its element. I can report that getting to 88mpg does not take you back to 1955. But it does have its perks. The car has over 300 miles on it now, and the fuel gage shows about 3/4 of the 11 gallon tank remaining.​
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  15. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    That 160-mph speedometer looks to me like a silly waste of valuable instrument-panel real estate. Unless you can show us another photo with the needle pinned at the top, that is.
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2022
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  16. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

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  17. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Even sillier considering the cluster is just a laptop screen. They can program it to any range they want. It'd be easy enough to just show 0 to 100, and far more realistic. If I had access to the programming code, I'd swap the 0-160 display used as the speedometer and use it to show fuel economy in mpg, and change the little 0-75 bar at the bottom that shows mpg so it's the speedometer. The position of the speedometer is blocked by your left hand if you keep your hands at 10 and 2, so the 20-80mph range is invisible unless you duck-n-lean. I end up looking at the GPS display for the speed readout.
  18. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Hyundai fuel gages usually read Full well before they're actually full, so I am not sure I will get a full 1000 miles out of the tank. It's a wait-n-see at this point. But I think it's certainly a target to shoot for when the weather starts to warm again.
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  19. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Gord calls it the "guess gage" . But maybe he has a funny spelling for gage.
    The British do some funny things with our language.

    But......Good work , Chris !
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  20. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Simultaneously listening to “Run Silent, Run Deep” & “Mars Attacks”……a new Cinema experience!
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