2013 Elantra vs. 2016 Elantra, Wheel Wells

Discussion in 'Hyundai' started by litesong, May 11, 2022.

  1. litesong

    litesong litesong

    OK….I have a mystery for whoever can figure it out. I’ve mentioned my use of oversized used tires, which have worked excellently on our 2013 Automatic Elantra. So, when my wife figured our old tires on the 2016 manual Elantra(same Series as our 2013) had enough wear, I convinced her to try some of my used tires that worked well on the 2013 automatic Elantra. Well……they didn’t work out, 1) because they scraped the wheel wells on the 2016 manual Elantra, & 2) she thought they hydro-planned too readily.
    We then bought new Les Schwab Reputation tires in the narrower OE width tire (to fight the hydroplanning) & with an aspect only 1 step larger than OE tires. So far, they work well(only been on a day). No rain yet, to see how well they fight hydroplanning.
    Anyhow, I put the old tires that scraped on the 2016 manual Elantra, on our 2013 automatic Elantra & took it for a drive. The tires are quiet, very smooth & never scrape, altho I hit some fair bumps. Cornering seem to be immediate & well conducted. Can anyone tell me why the same tires would scrape on one model & not scrape on the same model(altho 3 years apart)? I’m flummoxed.

    By the way, our 2013 automatic Elantra, pretty much is driven optionally, so if there is a big rainstorm, I stay home.
     
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  2. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Can you restate the problem with actual tire sizes and wheel sizes and offsets, and what part of the tire is actually rubbing against the fender well?

    e.g. Is the suspension bottoming out and causing the top of the tire to touch the fender? Or is the tire inside touching on turns? Or maybe it doesn't take much wheel travel to touch while going straight? Do the rear tires have a problem?

    The wheel wells could be sufficiently different between model years for aesthetic or aerodynamic reasons.

    I'm sure they didn't design the car to take extremely oversized tires without modifications.
     
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  3. litesong

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    OE tires on the 2016 manual Elantra version are 195-65-15, which are 1/10th of an inch taller than the OE 205-55-16 tire for the 2013 automatic Elantra. All the Elantras were made to take wheels up to 17 inches. & I have had 18inch wheels on the 2013 automatic Elantra. Offset for both cars is 40mm. When the 2016 manual Elantra steering wheels are turned about half way in either direction is when they are brushing the front of wheel wells & at times the rear of the wells, with 215-55-17 inch tires. 215-55-17 inch tires have no problem on the back of the 2016 manual Elantra. Even a 225-60-16 inch tire works well on the back, which is 0.3 inches taller than the 215-55-17 tires. It is the 215-55-17 tires that work very nicely(no touching) on the 2013 automatic Elantra front steering wheels.

    The new tires we just put on the 2016 manual Elantra that are working nicely are 205-60-16, which are 6/10ths of inch less tall than the 215-55-17, but 0.8 inches taller than the OE 205-55-16 inch tires on the 2013 automatic Elantra.
     
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  4. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    My brother put oversized tires ( +1) on his 74 Fiat 128SL. nI suspect he didn't consider
    any engineering implications. They seemed to work well. However , he didn't do that ever again ,
    so it may have just been an accident at the tire store.
    I had the 1975 Fiat 128SL , which lost four horsepower.
    62 HP from 1290cc.
    4000RPM = 57 MPH
    7000RPM = 97 MPH ( top speed )
    We didn't pay much attention to redlines in those days.
     
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  5. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Thanks for the details, litesong. I have not compared your application to the following info I found attempting to fit tires on 2013 and 2016 Elantra. The varying wheel offsets at different wheel diameters makes me wonder if that is the problem you're running into, times 10 since you're increasing the overall diameter *and* the width at the same time.

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  6. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Thankyou Bill for reminding me of the data above, which I’ve noted in years past.
    I’ve always thought the wheel wells for all the 2011-16 Series Elantras were the same. The one difference I do see is the least expensive 2016 manual Elantra doesn’t have the mudflaps that are on all the 2011-16(?) Series automatic Elantras. Without the mudflaps, Elantra may have also slightly re-designed the least expensive manual Elantra wheel wells.
    I think I have proven my above last sentence statement since the 215-55-17 tires that work well on the 2013 auto Elantra, don’t work on the 2016 manual Elantra. Outside of the mudflaps I don’t see any other differences, but I haven’t actually measured different aspects of the wheel wells.
    Anyhow, the 205-60-16 inch tires, tho shorter than the 215-55-17 tires(but taller than OE tires), still give the 2016 manual Elantra a bigger feel on the road, mainly because of lower tire & engine rpms on the highway.
     
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  7. litesong

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    A bit of rain today. I took the 2013 auto Elantra with the tires that were switched over from the 2016 manual Elantra that my wife indicated were hydroplanning too readily. However, there was no water puddles, that might give hydroplanning problems. What water amounts there were, gave no sign of tire slippage or instablity. Needs more rainfall. Haven’t said that in a long while here in Washington state! :D
     
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  8. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    This reminds me of when I replaced 225/75R15 stock tires on a Toyota turbo pickup with 9.5 inch x 30 inch off-road tires on the same 15 inch rims, without any suspension or body lift. Rubbed a little on sharp turns. :D Looked and worked great otherwise, though. I had a custom roll cage installed, too. Yes, I used to be young and impractical. I like to think I'm more practical now. Obviously, no longer young.
     
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  9. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Just fractionally smaller & it would have been great on back mountain logging roads here in Washington state. Every pickup here has to go to the mountains…….except some of the new, chromy, EXPENSIVE pickups that are boulevard cruisers.
     
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  10. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Bill.....were you a cowboy ? That's okay , I went thru that phase , too.
     
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  11. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    yee-hah!
     
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  12. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Gosh……I would like 30 inch tires on my Elantra. Its had 26.5 inch tires. Just got to cut all the wheel wells & fenders off…….it’ll fit. Then I can spray mud on all the pickups that sprayed mud on me.

    PS….. Oh, oh……I just thought pickup drivers would like mud sprayed on their pickups! Don’t want to do anything that makes pickup drivers happy! :eek::p
     
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  13. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Drove both Elantras today. Again, the 2013 auto Elantra once more has the big tires on it & it drives wonderfully. & the 2016 manual Elantra still has a “large” drive feel, with the larger than OE tires, but smaller than on the 2013 Elantra. So, if my wife is happy……I’m really happy! :D

    PS….While driving the 2016 manual Elantra, I stopped & took a short hike at a spot I hadn’t been for more than a year. Tho the hike is in the lowland, the area is butted right against the slopes of a smaller 3500 foot mountain. On the hike there is a bridge over a creek…..or was. Approaching the area, there was no bridge. Walking closer, there was NO LAND. During some storm, the creek must have become a raging river & cut its banks completely vertically to a height of 15 feet! Now, the little creek bubbles along 15 feet down. I’ll try & find out if the creek had any man-made help. Maybe they are trying to return the area to its original state.
     
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  14. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    You can rig a device that sprays a little diesel fuel in the exhaust system. The resulting cloud of black smoke is
    known as "rollin' coal". Great sport for rednecks !
     
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  15. litesong

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    Again, redneck pickup drivers like air pollution, until they get a case of lung cancer. :eek: CleanMPG drivers do not like to cause air pollution. The best thing is to NOT encourage pickup drivers in their ways…… except for an EV pickup driver. & they could have have characteristics NOT to be encouraged, also. :oops:
     
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  16. Janice Cooper

    Janice Cooper Member

    Most of the redneck pickup truck drivers around here like a lot of engine/muffler noise. That doesn’t match up with EVs. The locals also like lift kits which make their vehicles less efficient. I don’t expect them to convert anytime soon.

    The only good thing about high fuel prices is the loud truck crew has cut back on cruising.
     
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  17. litesong

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    Oh……I mentioned the various tire sizes, but never said anything about the new tire Brand on the 2016 manual Elantra. My wife OKed going to Les Schwab & we had the Mazama Reputation tire put on, replacing the Goodyear Assurance Comfortreds which wore & performed well over 6 years. Anyone know what the “reputation” of Reputation tires are? Lots of smoke about them on the Les Schwab website, but I can’t find much about them anywhere else.
     
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  18. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I had not heard of Les Schwab before, but not surprising since their shops are in the Rocky Mountain and Pacific states and Alaska. They seem well respected. Good luck.
     
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  19. litesong

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    Centered in Prineville & then Bend, Oregon, Les Schwab does have an OK reputation, altho some consumers report some failures (as do most Name Brands). They were sued for gender discriminations from 2 directions, in the past. I liked their Toyo tires, which seem to have been replaced by the Mazama Reputations. So I would like more information.
     
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  20. litesong

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    My wife had the 2016 manual Elantra with the $800 Les Schwab tires in the rain today. She said there was no tendency to hydroplane. She’s happy. I’m VERY happy. :):D

    Now, I have those big “hydroplanning” tires (total cost: $130) on the 2013 auto Elantra. So far, the tires are great, giving the Elantra a “big car” feel on the highway. There is no tendency to hydroplane, in the little rain I have encountered. Three of the 4 tires, in 2 separate purchases, are Name Brand Goodyear tires (made in the USA), which I love. The fourth no-name tire(which did include 4 tires in 1 purchase & MADE in the USA) were bought from a police officer. The tire is performing better than I expected, on par with the Goodyears. Most of the driving with the 2013 auto Elantra is for pleasure, AND the tires are pleasurable. I avoid most heavy rain.
    I love used tires! :D
     
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