Meet the Production VW ID.Buzz All-Electric Minivan

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    From concept vehicle to full production ID. Buzz

    How the electric Microbus was created

    The comprehensive documentary published on the development work done on the ID. Buzz and ID. Buzz Cargo

    Between the unveiling and the production model ready for European customers this fall, there were five years of hard work from the development team at Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles and Volkswagen Passenger Cars. In a new documentary, a VW film crew looks at: how the designers managed to transfer the basic concept of the legendary original T1 Microbus and the styling of the concept vehicle into an all-electric bus; how the engineers were able to satisfy the safety elements, dynamics and practicality that customers demand; and what the production and components staff had to do to ensure that the ID. Buzz is able to be built alongside other so-called “Bulli” models (T6.1 and Multivan) on one line in Hanover, Germany.

    Developing the electric Microbus and a panel van called for cross-brand cooperation and a division of labor, with designers and engineers looking for the best possible concept that combined all the requirements of the vehicles. Seventy years of Bulli know-how was incorporated into the ID. Buzz, a vehicle designed to thrill both the existing fan community and new customers and to be as efficient as possible. The low-friction components of the Modular Electric Drive Kit (MEB) contribute to this, as do good body, underbody and wheel aerodynamics. Following lots of detailed work, the result is outstanding: the 0.285 drag coefficient (cd) of the European ID. Buzz is lower than that of any other Bulli.

    The first few hand-built prototypes are helping decide whether the design data and simulations from the virtual world have been transferred to the real world. The proof of quality lies in testing. To ensure that the ID. Buzz fulfills Volkswagen’s highest quality requirements, the electric ‘Bulli’ was put to the test over a complex and grueling marathon—all over Europe and under extreme conditions. These included extreme heat, in arid and tropical climes, and extreme cold, from dry to dank, along with many places with dirt roads. After this, track testing simulated rain, snow, ice and dusty conditions to identify any potential for problems.

    The ID. Buzz and ID. Buzz Cargo demonstrated the handling potential of their all-round independent suspension on snow and ice in the far north of Scandinavia. Other aspects examined during cold weather testing were the design of materials, the electric and electronic functions, the chassis set-up, acceleration, braking and steering at low coefficients of friction and the thermal management of the whole vehicle.

    And the testing is done in depth: in the cold chamber, for example, tests are run to see how quickly an iced-up outside mirror is cleared by its heater. To pass, the mirror—preconditioned at minus 20 degrees Celsius—must provide a clear view to the rear after just three minutes.
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  2. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    I could see being tempted by one of these eventually ... if it wasn't a VW.

    Hairsplitting re: "Unusually tight turning circle of 36.4 feet". While that's unusually tight for a vehicles of this wheelbase, it's not unusually tight for a vehicle of this length: it is slightly wider than that of the larger Subaru Outback, for example. My 182" long Mazda5 is 34.8 feet. Many compact SUVs, similar in length, are 35-37 feet.
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  3. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    BEV platforms have long wheelbases for the car's length. Even BEVs built on traditional platforms will usually have the wheelbase stretched. This is to allow more battery to be packed in under the cabin. I guess they could split the pack up, and install a portion of it elsewhere, but that likely would be higher costs.
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  4. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I think everyone should own a VW at least once.
    I haven't had mine yet.
    I'd like a Golf 1.4T 6MT , please.
    I'm sure I can pick up a 2018 model for only a few grand over the
    original MSRP.
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  5. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Excellent points. Another costly approach at the turning radius problem is to add rear wheel steering. Oh wait, they're already doing that on the show-off, high-end EV trucks.
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  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Yes, the crab-walk thing is mandatory in that class
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  7. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Fortunately the turning-radius problem is easier to solve with EVs, when you don't need to stuff an ICE and a transaxle in between the front wheels and still allow for enough articulation. I pay a lot more attention to turning circle than most people, and what I've noticed with most EVs is automakers are typically designing in a similar turning radius to conventional vehicles of the same size, even if though their wheelbases are longer.
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  8. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    I had two. That was one too many. Despite being insanely expensive to keep running, our Golf TDI was an awesome machine, and we kept it running to 220k miles. And then sold it for $3k! Ha! Should have skipped the gas Jetta wagon, just as expensive to run despite half the miles on it, and just gotten a Focus wagon. Or bitten the mpg bullet, and bought a Subaru like everyone else.
    Sounds about right in today's market.
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  9. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    I would love to own an ID.3 or an ID.Buzz - or an ID.Aero! VW does EV design very well, indeed. We have had two e-Golf's and we now have an ID.4, and we like them, a lot.
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  10. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Neil , you're back ! You're probably the most electrified member here. BillLin is a close second place.
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  11. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Thanks, Edwin, but I'd say Gord is right up there with daily driving his Model 3. I just pretend I have an EV around town and stretch what PHEVs can do for longer trips. Back to a full EV someday when the car market cools down a bit, if ever...

    re: VW

    I like the ID.Aero look, and the ID.3, too. I thought the ID.4 was too heavy. Not discounting NeilBlanchard's choice by any means. The ID.4 certainly is a great current choice. I'd like to see VW be successful with the ID.Buzz in the US, meaning I hope they bring out the lower priced versions. I'm still keeping the Chevy Bolt/Euv in mind as a practical choice.
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  12. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    re: earlier discussions about turning radius

    From ZF:
    EasyTurn – Strut Suspension Axle Concept

    What can EasyTurn – Strut Suspension Axle Concept provide?
    With EasyTurn steering angles of up to 80 degrees are possible. Turning and parking maneuvers are almost effortless thanks to the extremely high steering angle. The innovative front axle system benefits both passenger and cargo vehicles – above all in cramped inner-city traffic, in parking spaces, narrow alleys, construction sites, traffic jams or loading zones.

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  13. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    I'm probably a distant contender for that title, but to toot my own (electric) horn: I've had my Nissan Leaf for almost five years, I now commute much of the time on an electric bicycle, have used nothing but electric mowers since 1998 - and have NEVER owned a small gas engine. Electric-only for the various hedge trimmers, edgers and weed whackers I have owned, not to mention my (in Minnesota!) snowblower.
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