More News on the 2022 Ford F-150 Electric and It’s Fantastic!

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    With the full 48-minutes of video of the charge, I was able to complete the DCFC Charging Curve.

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    And in case anyone is interested in completing one for themselves, this is what I pull from the video's including the first few seconds offset for each data point. The Lightning's charge profile was a little flaky between 40 and 65% with dropouts into the 115+ KW range and back up into the 130's so I recorded the peaks between each SOC vs an average of the peaks and troughs between each SOC.

    00 min 18 sec -- 05% -- 85 to 127 KW
    00 min 42 sec -- 06% -- 128 KW
    01 min 16 sec -- 07% -- 129 KW
    01 min 54 sec -- 08% -- 129 KW
    02 min 26 sec -- 09% -- 130 KW
    03 min 02 sec -- 10% -- 130 KW
    03 min 42 sec -- 11% -- 131 KW
    04 min 12 sec -- 12% -- 131 KW
    04 min 47 sec -- 13% -- 131 KW
    05 min 21 sec -- 14% -- 132 KW
    05 min 56 sec -- 15% -- 132 KW
    06 min 31 sec -- 16% -- 132 KW
    07 min 05 sec -- 17% -- 132 KW
    07 min 43 sec -- 18% -- 132 KW
    08 min 14 sec -- 19% -- 133 KW
    08 min 52 sec -- 20% -- 133 KW
    09 min 24 sec -- 21% -- 133 KW
    10 min 01 sec -- 22% -- 134 KW
    10 min 34 sec -- 23% -- 134 KW
    11 min 11 sec -- 24% -- 134 KW
    11 min 45 sec -- 25% -- 134 KW
    12 min 21 sec -- 26% -- 134 KW
    12 min 55 sec -- 27% -- 135 KW
    13 min 30 sec -- 28% -- 135 KW
    14 min 05 sec -- 29% -- 135 KW
    14 min 43 sec -- 30% -- 135 KW
    15 min 13 sec -- 31% -- 135 KW
    15 min 54 sec -- 32% -- 135 KW
    16 min 26 sec -- 33% -- 135 KW
    17 min 03 sec -- 34% -- 135 KW
    17 min 35 sec -- 35% -- 136 KW
    18 min 10 sec -- 36% -- 136 KW
    18 min 46 sec -- 37% -- 136 KW
    19 min 21 sec -- 38% -- 137 KW
    19 min 55 sec -- 39% -- 137 KW
    20 min 31 sec -- 40% -- 137 KW
    21 min 04 sec -- 41% -- 137 KW
    21 min 46 sec -- 42% -- 138 KW
    22 min 16 sec -- 43% -- 138 KW
    22 min 53 sec -- 44% -- 138 KW
    23 min 26 sec -- 45% -- 138 KW
    24 min 01 sec -- 46% -- 139 KW
    24 min 36 sec -- 47% -- 138 KW
    25 min 15 sec -- 48% -- 139 KW
    25 min 56 sec -- 49% -- 138 KW
    26 min 32 sec -- 50% -- 138 KW
    27 min 10 sec -- 51% -- 137 KW
    27 min 52 sec -- 52% -- 139 KW
    28 min 27 sec -- 53% -- 135 KW
    29 min 07 sec -- 54% -- 136 KW
    29 min 56 sec -- 55% -- 131 KW
    30 min 26 sec -- 56% -- 135 KW
    31 min 12 sec -- 57% -- 132 KW
    31 min 51 sec -- 58% -- 135 KW
    32 min 37 sec -- 59% -- 135 KW
    33 min 10 sec -- 60% -- 134 KW
    34 min 01 sec -- 61% -- 132 KW
    34 min 31 sec -- 62% -- 132 KW
    35 min 13 sec -- 63% -- 130 KW
    35 min 56 sec -- 64% -- 130 KW
    36 min 34 sec -- 65% -- 128 KW
    37 min 14 sec -- 66% -- 127 KW
    37 min 56 sec -- 67% -- 120 KW
    38 min 41 sec -- 68% -- 120 KW
    39 min 22 sec -- 69% -- 120 KW
    40 min 05 sec -- 70% -- 120 KW
    40 min 48 sec -- 71% -- 121 KW
    41 min 32 sec -- 72% -- 120 KW
    42 min 14 sec -- 73% -- 121 KW
    43 min 01 sec -- 74% -- 121 KW
    43 min 43 sec -- 75% -- 121 KW
    44 min 23 sec -- 76% -- 122 KW
    45 min 06 sec -- 77% -- 122 KW
    45 min 52 sec -- 78% -- 122 KW
    46 min 32 sec -- 79% -- 078 KW
    47 min 24 sec -- 80% -- 056 KW

    The Speed vs Energy Economy graph is in the batters box for possibly tonight or Sunday. They are picking it up on Monday morning so I will finish that off when I can.

    Wayne
     
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I did stop at another 150 KW Electrify America DCFC in Vista, CA to see what the Lightning would initiate at with a starting SOC of 50%. It kicked right up to 125+ KW and held just as if it were on the same curve as the 5% initiation. Not bad in terms of reliable consistency anyway.

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    And especially compared to VW ID. 4s poor charging performance I have seen while parked next to them across the country. I should not focus on just the ID.4 either. I have seen shortfall's with Polestar's, Rivian's, Air's, Taycan's, and especially Bolt's to name but a few. Is this an EA problem or is it the OEMs? The world may never know. :(

    Wayne
     
  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    My week with the Lightning is complete.

    2023 Ford F-150 Lightning on the Pacific Coast

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    Rain or shine, she is a good looking and very functional truck.​

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    An abundance of hip, shoulder, and head room. With the upright seating, more than enough leg and knee room as well.

    Here is one of my favorite features within the Ford work truck.

    2023 Ford F-150 Lightning Work Surface

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    If you look closely, the red circled button lowers the shifter so that the shifter will recline into the center console recess. Once that is complete as it only takes seconds, you can pull the center console over and down to create the flat work surface. As you can tell, I was taking advantage of this excellent feature to complete the first charging profile graph while charging at the Vista California Electrify America DCFC.

    Wayne
     
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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The 23 Ford Lightning did cover 192.8 miles indicated, 198.3 miles actual with a 97.2% negative odometer offset as calculated by a speed and distance app I was running on my phone.

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    In warmer temps, the 22" wheel equipped, 300-mile range lighting should achieve 400-miles of range in a mixed city/highway driving scenario. The 320-mile range XLT may even reach 450-miles on a single charge if necessary to drive that far. Not towing of course as we have seen how that takes the Lighting to the wood shed.

    Moving to the speed vs energy economy graph, temps ranged from 48 to 49 degrees F with calm winds and light rain across ~ 1/4 of the most northern section of my std. drive loop.

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    The Lighting easily achieved its 1.78 mi/KWh at 67.5 mph std. EPA estimate. In fact using straight line analysis, the Lightning crossed over its EPA highway rating at an excellent 74 mph. Thumbs up to Ford on that one as it has been a while since we have seen that kind of result from anything driven with a Blue Oval badge. If only we had a way to calibrate the eFCDs on BEVs.

    Wayne
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    To conclude, I am not recommending a prospective purchaser take on a $94k + TTL note as this out the door Platinum trim truck with the extended range battery costs. Even with the $7,500 tax credit on the short range (230-mile rated) Pro trim starting at $55,974, the rest of the lineup with the extended range battery exceeds the maximum $80k threshold for consideration.

    2023 Ford F-150 Lightning

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    Consider an XLT trimmed 23 F-150 4x4 w/ its std. 3.3L V6 and 540-miles of rated range ($45,235 incl D&H) vs the XLT trimmed 23 F-150 Lightning 4x4 including either the 230-mile short range ($71,514) or 320-mile long range battery ($83,369). The Lightning is much quicker and more powerful but similarly equipped, $20 to $33k + taxes on the difference more upfront? 200k miles at 20 mpg will unfortunately consume 10k gallons of fuel or about $30 to $40k. The power to charge the Lighting is not going to be free either although it should cost just half or $15 to $20k to cover 200k miles. The real shortfall is in the charging time. For a small business with a limited radius or commuter, charging at home and make that work. For anyone with any longer distance aspirations, the time commitment for a DCFC is going to be a hindrance.

    My last DC fast charge came immediately after I completed the steady states at 12:56 AM in the morning. I hooked up, saw > 160 KW initiation and was off to the races. This is what charging is supposed to be like! ;) 1-min and 4-seconds later, I received a Communication Error when a Hyundai Ioniq 5 plugged in 4 chargers down with 2.36 KWh delivered and my new SOC at 7%. I disconnected and reconnected for another 42-min and 44-seconds with 96.85 KWh delivered to get to 80% SOC. That charge peaked at 168 KW and held > 160 KW out to 35% where it fell to less than 150 KW and followed along a similar profile as the charging profile. That too needs work as a 150KWh + pack size can surely take on 1.2C through 60 to 70%. I could create the higher performance charging profile but with the Comms error disconnect, it is probably best to leave the 48-minute charge up vs the 43-min and 48-seconds total charge time and 99.21 KWh delivered for $30.37 with the incongruity at the 7% SOC level.

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    It was nice to finally see that 168 KW peak - 166 KW shown at 34% before the curve falloff.​

    Would I love to own one? You betcha! The ability to never have to refuel and for most, 90+ percent of your charging at home would be a godsend. Its full-size utility and comfort are over the top. It is so darn quiet it makes driving anything else a chore! The downsides are "it aint cheap", the range is short for the kind of long-distance commercial work I complete on a daily basis - > 300+ miles per day on average, and the charge time is excruciating even at its best vs a std. 5 to 10-minute fill of a 26-gallon tank after 540-miles of the comparison gasoline fueled XLT. Ford will surely introduce an 800V charging architecture for true 350KW charging shortly to compete with the upcoming 2024 Silverado BEV and reduce that 5 to 80% charging time to less than 30-minutes. They have to as you cannot wait for a 75% charge for 50-minutes or more. It is just untenable currently while hogging a charger while other BEV owners are waiting in line.

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    Day time charging at an Electrify America DCFC site in Oceanside, CA. All chargers were filled minus the one OOS.​

    As I type this up, there is a build stop on the Lightning due to a battery QC problem. Ford will work through that in short order and by next year, will be using CATL supplied Li-Fe phosphate (LFP) chemistry that should reduce the upfront costs significantly.

    Wayne
     
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  6. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Is there any cross-over similarities or problems between the Lightning & Mach-e?
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:
    The Mach-E was updated with a number of faster charging profiles for the 22 MY which we could not get our hands on. It is still a 400V architecture with a peak 170 KW charging rate but with a 91 KWh pack vs the Lightning's 150+ unit, it should charge in under 30-minutes depending on how they programmed - read allowed, the maximum allowed charging profile curves. I have had a request for the 22 and now 23 Mach-E with the extended range pack for quite some time now.

    Wayne
     
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  8. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Hmmm…..near the beginning of the 2nd stage of the 2023 Daytona 500, the lead 7 cars were……Ford. Presently, in the middle of the 2nd stage, 5 Fords are leading.

    Meanwhile, Aurora Teagarden Mysteries is showing episodes back-to-back on Hallmark. Oh, Taxi’s Marylou Henner is one of the actresses! Now….back to the race. :p:D

    Over half the race, 7 Fords lead the 500.
    Now 3 Chevrolets place themselves 5th thru 7th.
    During pit stops, a herd of Chevys & others were able to get back to racing, so the lead Fords didn’t get to draft on them. Than the Fords pitted.
    Now Fords lead with one Toyota & one Chev inserted in the top 8.
    After some knock-around & out bumper car tactics, only 2 Fords are in the top 10. But Ford’s Lagano leads. Four Chevys in the top 6 with Chev’s Allemendinger in 6th place.
    End of stage 2, 3 Chevs are in the top 4, with Chastain’s Chevy leading.
    Start of stage 3, Chastain screwed up while pitting & sags behind everyone. Fords are 3 of the top 4, with Ford’s Almirola leading. Toyota’s Hamlin takes over 4th.
    Fords are now top 5…..now the top 6…..now 7.
    Whoa, Hamlin is 1st…..now 4th….now 1st!
    Fords are 1-2-3…..now 1st thru 5th.
    Toyota’s Hamlin up to 3rd.
    Ford teammates Buescher, Keslowski & Ford’s Almirola are 1,2, 3. Fords are top 7. 3.5 times more people are at Dakota 500, then live in Buescher’s home town.
    After Chevy’s Chastain’s pit stop mistake, he is up to 13th….now 12th…..now 14th…..now 15th.
    Fords are the top 7…..now “only” 5.
    Pit stops should shake the standings.
    Lots of crashing during racing, after the pit stops with 19 laps to go.
    Ford’s Burton & Logan lead now behind the pace car. Chevs in positions 3rd to 9th.
    Chevy’s Allmendinger WAS leading….now 4th.
    Ford’s Keselowski & Buescher now leading with 8 laps left.
    Allmendinger down to 15th….now 13th.
    Chevs are 3rd thru 6th.
    Chevs are 1st thru 4th!!!! LBusch, Dillon, & Byron are leading, when an accident occurred. Into overtime!
    Chevy 1st thru 3rd, Fords 4th thru 6th.
    EVERYVBODY is standing in the stands. Beginning of overtime, lots of shuffling & then another crash, way back in the pack.
    Another overtime. Some more pit stops. The end of these races have more time pass than the rest of the race, as the cars take a long scenic tour around the track.
    Chevy’s Stenhouse Jr. wins the Daytona 500, Ford’s Lagano is 2nd, as another multi-car crash ends the race.
     
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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    You said NASCAR?

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    I took the Prius Prime to the NASCAR Hall of Fame in Charlotte, NC just over a week ago. ;)

    And Ford is indeed kicking @$$!

    Wayne
     

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