Month of October 2021

Discussion in 'The Daily Grind' started by EdwinTheMagnificent, Oct 1, 2021.

  1. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I don't know what the average price of fuel in the USA is , and mostly don't care.
    All I know's too cheap.

    Today , 57 deg F in Northbrook , 58 in Elk Grove.
    17.2 miles , fcd = 67.9 x .943 = 64.0 MPH.
    Ave. speed 30.
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  2. Gord

    Gord Super Moderator Staff Member

    Thanks for starting the thread Edwin - my mind has been on other things :rolleyes:. As at 10/11/21 regular was $3.274 average.

    Been to hospital, given the all clear - excellent!

    Went to my mother's twice:
    4.4 miles - 168 Wh/mi or 201MPGe
    4.4 miles - 267 Wh/mi or 126MPGe
    4.4 miles - 142 Wh/mi or 237MPGe
    4.3 miles - 288 Wh/mi or 117MPGe

    Scheduled a charge to finish this morning - 137 miles added in 4' 07" - so roughly 33 miles of range added per hour.

    To work this morning, raining, hit an almost standing queue of traffic on the approach to the motorway but there had been some kind of incident and the normal route was blocked. The only choice we were given was to go the wrong way on the motorway for a big 8+ mile detour so took me over an hour to get to work, 55°F:
    28.1 miles - 233 Wh/mi or 145MPGe

    Quick change, pack the car then on to our holiday home when I get back.
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  3. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Glad to hear it !
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  4. Gord

    Gord Super Moderator Staff Member

    Thanks Edwin, nice to hear I haven’t got the big C in the bowel area :)
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  5. litesong

    litesong litesong

    To wherever you travel, if Nema 5-15amp or Nema 5-20amp standard outlets are available, with PERMISSION, you can charge at 4MPH or 6MPH(MAX?), respectively, for the Tesla Model 3(?). Ten hours of charging gives you 40 or 60 miles of travel. Twenty hours of charging will give you 80 miles & 120 miles of travel (with all auxiliary EV power draws at a minimum). Featherfooting will get you even further! If you are close to sub-stations that supply higher than average voltage to your outlets, the above particularly applies. Make sure that the gauge of the interior wiring for the Nema 5-20amp outlet is, as it should be, 12 gauge or 10 gauge. You’ll be drawing 2000(+?) watts of power for the duration of the charge.
    One EV adage is helpful……ABC…Always Be Charging. This is very important where only low-level charging, L1, standard 120Volt outlets are available.

    PS (to Bill)…..I modified the above post considerably. You may want to withdraw your “LIKE”.
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  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Today , 68 deg F in Naperville , 68 in Elk Grove.
    Favourable winds.
    35.0 miles , fcd = 69.6 x .943 = 65.6 MPG.
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  7. Gord

    Gord Super Moderator Staff Member

    Not really sure what this means being in the UK ;) but with our 220/240V supply, I get 9 to 10 miles an hour with the Tesla supplied granny charger I keep in the Frunk (front trunk lol) and 30 to 34 miles on my 7.5kWh home charge on 32A.
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  8. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Here in the US, the 120Volt, Nema 5-15amp is standard. I do have one Nema 5-20amp outlet in the garage(which delights me). Again, our voltage is higher than normal since we have a sub-station in our area. I hope I will NOT NEED to modify our 240Volt dryer outlet to be able to charge my future EV at 10-30 MPH. A mile away from me is a public service L2, 240Volt charger that delivers about 30Amps. AND it is a FREE charger! Hope to use it a lot! If a curmudgeon complains about my EV sucking too much FREE electricity, I’ll just say…….”I’m a featherfooter”. They won’t even know what that is!
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  9. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    Don't expect free energy to remain readily available when EVs become common.
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  10. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Yes, that is what I said 10+ years ago, when I saw people charging at FREE EV chargers. The FREE L2 chargers are still going. Several companies around the world…..MAKE MONEY GIVING AWAY FREE ELECTRICITY on L2 chargers to EVs.
    Electric motors are so efficient(at least, for efficient vehicles & drivers), that many commercial malls & townships offer free EV charging to attract EV drivers to shop at their locales.

    PS…..There are U-tube videos where EV drivers charge at free EV chargers & see if they can proceed from one place to another. Most of the time, the drivers run out of patience & stop trying to tool around on free juice. One fellow found a small hydro-electric dam & was charging at a FREE charger supplied by the dam. He even saw the hydro turbines & the water exiting from the dam & returned to the river. But, he also, got bored & charged for FREE for only a short time. As for me, I would have talked with the workers in the support building, asking questions about the history, construction, operations, maintenance, safety, keeping river debris out of the turbines, possible environmental impacts of the dam & ability to power-support the surrounding communities. Also, there were excavations on-going in a separate area. I would have visited the FREE charger often & for extended periods, to learn about the region & people. For when I get an EV, I am planning interesting places to visit that offer FREE charging within a mile or less. So far, I’ve planned places to go, as far as 150+ miles from home……with the ability to return home with the same amount of kW-hrs of power in my battery pack, as when I left. This would entail say, 9 hours of L2 FREE charging. Yeah, 9 hours to have “fun”. Already, I have found 2 aquariums with “nearby” FREE chargers. I’m discovering many interesting places that I used to pass by, because my “young body & dumb brain” were too busy to “waste my time”. As a retiree, I now have “lots of time to waste”.

    PS I (to Bill)….. Again, I modified this post considerably. You may wish to delete your “LIKE”.
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  11. Gord

    Gord Super Moderator Staff Member

    Going home friday lunchtime, 61°F:
    19.8 miles - 197 Wh/mi or 171MPGe

    Range at 270 miles

    Packed up the car then to holiday home (incl. 1 stop and a few traffic holdups), 59°F:
    106.2 miles - 203 Wh/mi or 166MPGe

    Used granny charger to top up the range - 38 miles added in 4' 03".

    Did a 5k run Saturday afternoon and a 25 mile gravel bike run Sunday morning.

    Back home Sunday afternoon, some showers and only 2 traffic hotspots and no stops, 61 to 55 then 63°F:
    106.4 miles - 197 Wh/mi or 171MPGe

    Later on, popped across to see my mother, 59°F:
    4.4 miles - 148 Wh/mi or 228MPGe
    4.4 miles - 271 Wh/mi or 124MPGe - range finished at 85 miles

    Did a scheduled charge overnight in my garage - 125 miles added in 3'48".

    To work this morning, a different non-motorway route, 48°F:
    20.0 miles - 207 Wh/mi or 163MPGe - Think I'll go back to the usual route....
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  12. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Thanks, I appreciate your consideration of my likes and dislikes. I have no issue with your post or thoughts and inclinations so no need for me to change my "like." To each his own, right?

    I had my fill of tourism by my teenage years. I've seen the world and everything I missed in that brief span of time, I can see through someone else's video or photo journals.
  13. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    From those numbers, I'll guess you must live upgrade from her.

    How does your electrical energy cost per mile compare with that of a similar size petrol burner at your local prices?
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  14. litesong

    litesong litesong

    I never got on the “tourism” route till I earned enough money in my mid-20’s to do “tourism” & then, only the economy car-tent route. Never made too much money, & never got enough of the economy car-tent route. That is why I have been so excited that my cheap used tires have worked so well for me! I can afford to travel. Now that I may see myself clear to get a good Electrical Vehicle AND TOUR ON FREE ELECTRICITY & cheap tires…..well, I’m all agoggle about that prospect.
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  15. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Today , 63 deg F in Naperville , 64 in Elk Grove. wind ENE 8.
    35.0 miles, fcd = 64.5 x .943 = 60.8 MPG.
    I discovered a new scenic route home , that is even shorter AND has no highway.
    The wind definitely helped get home the last two days , so the MPG will be misleading.
    31.5 miles , fcd = 78.0 x .943 = 73.5 MPG. The old Scenic Route #2 is 32.2 miles.
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  16. Gord

    Gord Super Moderator Staff Member

    Hi Red - spot on! Net downhill there (only 3 noticable climbs).
    According to there's a Gain of 19.7ft / Loss -136.4ft and Total -116.7ft on the way there and a Gain of 222.3ft / Loss -71.6ft and Total 150.6ft on the way back.

    At current exchange rates and UK gas prices, my old Audi A3 would have cost me 12.24c/mile at a fairly efficient 47mpg average over 6 years (ymmv ;))
    If I didn’t get any free charges, the Tesla costs me 3c/mile so quite a bit less than that overall.

    Going home Monday, non-motorway route, 57°F:
    19.6 miles - 206 Wh/mi or 164MPGe

    Early morning home charge - 41 miles added in 1'14".

    To work Tuesday morning, non-motorway route, 50°F:
    19.5 miles - 202 Wh/mi or 167MPGe

    Going home Tuesday, non-motorway route, 52°F:
    19.6 miles - 191 Wh/mi or 176MPGe

    Early morning home charge - 39 miles added in 1'10".

    To work this morning, non-motorway route, getting cooler, 46°F:
    19.6 miles - 206 Wh/mi or 164MPGe
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  17. litesong

    litesong litesong

    The old scenic Route #2…….where you can listen to many composers, who wrote #2 Symphonies. My recommendation is Sergei Rachmaninoff’s Symphony #2, either the long version or the short version, depending on how fast you want to drive the old Scenic Route #2. Oh, Jean Sibelius’ Symphony #2 would be outstanding, too (or #2).
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  18. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Today 66 deg F in Northbrook and Elk Grove.
    Wind E3 , wet roads.
    17.2 miles , fcd = 69.9 x .943 = 65.9 MPG.
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  19. Gord

    Gord Super Moderator Staff Member

    Going home last night, non-motorway route, 59°F:
    19.6 miles - 187 Wh/mi or 180MPGe

    Early morning home charge - 43 miles added in 1'19".

    To work this morning, non-motorway route, 50°F:
    19.6 miles - 191 Wh/mi or 176MPGe
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  20. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    Thanks, but that's puzzling. How can your net descent going there differ from the net ascent returning, even if it's via another route?
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