2021 Ford Mustang MachE First Drive

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    A little detail into the 2021 Ford Mustang MachE's charging profile looks when initially plugged into an Electrify America 350 kW charger.

    2021 Ford Mustang MachE on an Electrify America 350kW Charger

    150+ kW through 12% SoC.

    From 13 to 62%, the Mustang MachE was still taking in > 100 kW before falling below 100 kW at 63%.
    At 80% on up, the MachE's charge profile falls to the onboard charger rate of just 11 kW.​

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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Adding to the Ford Mustang MachEs prowess, it will receive Ford’s BlueCruise via OTA update later this fall!

    Bluecruise in the 2021 Ford Mustang MachE, F-150

    New Ford owners will be receiving new features and improvements through its wireless software update technology called Ford Power-Up.

    The first Ford Power-Up software updates for F-150 and Mustang Mach-E customers in North America began in March, accelerating a transformation well underway with more than 6 million vehicles on the road today featuring advanced, embedded modem connectivity. New vehicles equipped with Ford Power-Up capability identify customer preferences and vehicle issues, which Ford engineers then translate into quality and capability improvements delivered through Ford Power-Up enhancements.

    A new fully networked, second-generation electrical architecture and advanced tech stack create the foundation to deliver unique Ford Power-Up software updates. These quick and easy wireless upgrades help enhance features, quality, experiences, capability and convenience. Capable of updating the vast majority of vehicle computer modules – more than 80 on higher end models – these upgrades can help improve the ownership experience and may help reduce the need for repair trips.

    Many Ford Power-Up software updates will be virtually invisible to customers, enabled by a tech platform that installs much of the new software in the background. Many updates require little to no action by the customer, enabled by SYNC 4 Technology that keeps current software running until the new version is ready to go.

    For updates that require reboots, Ford invites customers to schedule them at convenient times, such as overnight. Some updates can be made in under two minutes1, while others may take longer. Unlike updates for devices such as laptops which often seem to come at inconvenient times, vehicle owners may not even notice that the installation occurred until the vehicle is started.

    Amazon and Ford Create New Features

    Ford is prepping what’s planned to be the industry’s broadest rollout of the embedded Alexa hands-free experience with complimentary connectivity to Alexa for up to three years. This year alone, the same type of Alexa voice command functionality many people have in their homes will be wired to 700,000 Ford vehicles in the U.S. and Canada, followed by millions more over the next few years.

    As part of a new strategic engagement between Amazon and Ford, the companies plan to work together to deliver enhanced features and new commercial services over the next six years. This includes exploring the development of the first custom Alexa skills for Ford commercial vehicles, using the power of Alexa artificial intelligence to help business owners and fleet managers stay in touch with their teams and increase productivity.

    Alexa will initially be delivered through Ford Power-Up software updates beginning this fall for Bronco, Edge, F-150, Mustang Mach-E and Super Duty customers with SYNC 4 Technology in the U.S. and Canada, with other regions to follow.

    Ford first brought Alexa into its vehicles in 2017, starting with connected vehicle skills and then adding in-vehicle capabilities through the SYNC AppLink smartphone app, which is still available but no longer required for the new, more seamless capability. More information about how customers can set up an Alexa account will be shared closer to launch.

    Inside, Ford customers can ask Alexa to control smart home devices, place calls, locate parking and more. Alexa capabilities delivered through SYNC 4 Technology provide the convenience of hands-free, voice-initiated interactions – minimizing the need for drivers to view or touch screens and helping them keep their hands on the wheel and eyes on the road. Customers can interact with their vehicles naturally and say things like, “Alexa, find the closest gas station” or “Alexa, play my road trip playlist” or “Alexa, call Mom.”

    Ford customers will be able to access the benefits of Amazon’s voice AI and intelligent features both inside and outside their vehicle. Combined with the FordPass skill for Alexa3 – which customers can continue to use to control vehicle functions such as start/stop engine, lock and unlock doors, check vehicle range or tire pressure all from the comfort of their home – Ford is bringing smart homes and connected vehicles closer together.

    Powering Up New Features

    Over the last two months, 2021 F-150 and Mustang Mach-E customers have begun receiving Ford Power-Up enhancements. Mustang Mach-E customers in North America and Europe soon will receive Sketch -- also referred to as Notes in vehicle menus – for touchscreen drawing and simple gaming.

    Ford Power-Up software updates will quickly expand to nearly all vehicle computer modules, enabling an update of Ford Co-Pilot360 Technology that adds BlueCruise hands-free highway driving to Intelligent Cruise Control. This will be delivered to properly equipped F-150 and Mustang Mach-E vehicles with additional software purchase later this year.

    Ford also plans to address an issue with F-150 and Mustang Mach-E Android Auto connectivity by June.

    Customers also will continue to receive new enhancements over the coming weeks, including:
    • Remote Vehicle Setup and Trip Logs that tracks battery usage and other driving details on each trip
    • F-150 SYNC 4 and Mustang Mach-E SYNC 4A - Navigation including new cloud connectivity combines conversational voice command recognition with internet-based search
    • Apple CarPlay compatibility enhancement to display turn-by-turn navigation in the vehicle’s instrument cluster
    • Digital owner’s manual enhancements to continue making the innovative, paperless product guides even more valuable
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  3. Dorean Clarke

    Dorean Clarke Well-Known Member

    Ford is great at anything.
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  4. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Fix Or Repair Daily.
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    While supply continues to be limited due to the world wide chip shortage, Ford is not stopping making the Mach-E even more attractive to potential buyers looking forward.

    In celebration of the Woodward Dream Cruise, Ford is taking a page out of its Mustang history book with the introduction of the new Mustang Ice White Edition Appearance Package for both the Mustang and Mustang Mach-E. This marks the first time in 28 years Ford is offering a white-on-white Mustang.

    2022 Ford Mustang Mach-E Ice White Edition


    The package is the first to be offered to both Mustang Mach-E and Mustang coupe customers.

    The 2021 Car and Driver EV of the Year, North American SUV of the Year and one of the hottest all-electric SUVs on the market will exclusively offer the new Mustang Ice White Edition Appearance Package on Mustang Mach-E Premium models.

    Star White Metallic Tri-Coat paint includes unique Star White mirror caps and wheel lip moldings to ice-out the exterior. Front and center on the grille is an Oxford White pony badge, which also appears between the tri-bar taillamps. The package adds unique 19” machined-face aluminum wheels with Oxford White-painted pockets.

    Light Space Gray sets the cabin stage, appearing on the seats, center console and door-panel armrests. A Bright Silver hex-patterned instrument panel plus an Oxford White pony badge on the steering wheel add chill to the interior environment.

    Orders for the 2022 Mustang Mach-E Ice White Edition open in the fall. The vehicle will be in showrooms early next year.

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  6. Janice Cooper

    Janice Cooper Member

    My dad used to say that. :) However the last car he owned was a Ford Mustang.

    I recently noticed my first MachE in the wild. It was weaving between cars during the evening rush hour. Based on their driving, I predict the owner will be disappointed in the range it gets or it will be totaled after running a few more red lights.
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Janice:

    It sounds like you are still in the market for a BEV or PHEV? The Mustang Mach-E is sold out through the rest of the year unfortunately. Since I posted this drive review, the Ioniq 5/EV6 have been released as well. The most notable Mach-E lowlight is its charging profile.

    2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E Charging

    7 - 82% SOC in 52-minutes.​

    By comparison...

    2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Charging

    10 - 80% SOC in 18-minutes.​

    I should have recorded the Mach-E's entire charge to create a proper charging profile but that was just over a year ago - Earth Day 2021 - and charging profiles were not yet on my radar. :(

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  8. Janice Cooper

    Janice Cooper Member


    I want a different car. Although the trade in value is thousands more than I paid two years ago, I’m having trouble with the “market adjustment” dealerships are adding onto car sales now.

    I enjoy reading about all these EVs and looking for them on the road but the Kia Niro hybrid is probably what I’ll get next. I loved my Pontiac Vibe and the Niro has similar dimensions and versatility. I considered buying a Niro 2 years ago, but for half the price I bought a used Corolla instead. The country was on COVID lockdown then and I wasn’t sure what would happen.

    Yes, I read the story of your cross country GWR trip in the Niro. :)

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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Janice:
    I really enjoyed the previous gen Niro and the new 2nd gen appears to advance not only exterior styling, infotainment, and safety, it is larger to boot! The 3 mpg increase in efficiency does not hurt either. ;)

    I drove a Hyundai Elantra ECO with the 7-speed DCT from new out to 150k + miles and the DCT transmission was close to end of life. A $7k repair/replacement on a car worth $3k did not make much sense. The Niro and Ioniq HEV/PHEVs use a similar 6-speed DCT and it is definitely a wear item. I am just not sure it has the long term reliability vs anything in Toyota's HSD lineup which are essentially bulletproof. I would like to attempt that 150k run in a 2023 Niro HEV or PHEV when they arrive this fall to find out of course but depreciation of those two models from new to trade-in is real $s and I cannot bare to burn $25k + or more to find out. :(

    2023 Kia Niro

    One of its best sides. ;)

    On a more positive note, Hyundai and Kia appear to have their own sources for chips and are not being effected by supply chain disruptions nearly as bad as everyone else. It showed up in their 2021 sales reports.

    Hyundai and Kia 2021 Results

    For the year, Hyundai sold 738,081 total vehicles, a 19% increase compared with 2020 and the third best year in company history. Venue (+50%), Kona (+18%), Tucson (+22%), Palisade (+5%) and Nexo (+107%) established new annual total sales records.

    On the retail front, Hyundai sold 694,349 retail units, the highest yearly retail sales total ever, for a 23% gain. Hyundai fleet sales in 2021 were down 24%, representing 6% of total volume.

    Kia announced December sales of 48,506 units, pushing the company’s annual total past the 700,000 mark for the first time in company history. Kia’s 2021 performance represents a 20-percent increase over last year with five of the brand’s most popular sedan, SUV and crossover models – Forte, Niro EV, Seltos, Sportage and Telluride – reaching all-time annual sales records.

    In addition, 2021 saw a big jump in demand for Kia’s hybrid and battery-electric vehicles, sales of which were up 97-percent year-over-year.

    With that sales detail out of the way, Hyundai/Kia appear to have a leg up on the rest of the industry in terms of vehicle supply and hopefully we will see a lot less market adjustment crap piled onto MSRP from those two brands in the very near future. Meaning lower and more meaningful prices for the consumer.

    Back to Ford, I read in one of Ford's PRs a few days ago that Ford President and CEO Jim Farley was sure the company could produce upwards of 300k F-150 Lightnings and MachEs in 2023. In a broader release, Ford has committed to reaching worldwide EV manufacturing capacity of at least 600,000 by the end of 2023, for which it’s ramping up battery supplies, on the way to making more than two million EVs annually by the end of 2026. If they can do that, the chip shortage must be coming to an end for them too.

  10. Janice Cooper

    Janice Cooper Member

    I’m glad to hear that Ford may be seeing the end of the chip shortage. Is there a light at the end of the market adjustment tunnel? I sure hope so. Many of us need affordable cars.
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  11. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I refuse to pay the exorbitant "adjustments" that dealers are currently demanding.
    I have a motorcycle that gets close to 150 MPG and I will ride that as long as I can.
    When it gets too cold , I will drive the Prius, which has a lot of life left in it.
  12. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    I paid a relatively small "market adjustment" when I bought my '81 Mazda. Back then, when people still had vivid memories of fuel shortages of a few years earlier, that was typical only on relatively efficient small cars, not on everything, as seems to be the case now.
  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    2022 Ford Mustang Mach-E, GT and GT Performance Edition Details

    The 2022 Mustang Mach-E is now available to order with a starting MSRP of $43,895 although none are in stock and the order bank has closed for the 2022 MY. :(

    The 2022 Mustang Mach-E California Route 1 has an uprated EPA estimated-range of 314 miles vs the 305-miles of range in the 2021 with an extended range battery and RWD. For the 2022 MY, the Mustang Mach-E California Route 1 is now available with electric AWD and has standard heated seats and steering wheel.

    2022 Ford Mustang Mach-E Ice White Interior


    For 2022, the Mustang Mach-E is being offered in a Premium Ice White Edition Appearance Package. Star White Metallic Tri-Coat exterior paint includes unique Star White sideview mirror caps and wheel lip moldings. Front and center on the grille is an Oxford White pony badge, which also appears between the tri-bar taillamps. The package adds unique 19" machined-face alloys with Oxford White-painted pockets. Light Space Gray sets the cabin stage, appearing on the seats, center console and door-panel armrests. A Bright Silver hex-patterned instrument panel applique plus an Oxford White pony badge on the steering wheel add chill to the interior environment.

    The black painted roof is now standard on Mustang Mach-E GT and GT Performance Edition. Grabber Blue Metallic and Cyber Orange Metallic Tri-Coat are now available on all models and Iced Blue Silver Metallic is new to the 2022 model year.

    2022 Mustang Mach-E with standard-range battery now has 70 kWh usable energy and available extended-range battery now has 91 kWh usable energy.

    Returning for 2022 are Mustang Mach-E GT and Mustang Mach-E GT Performance Edition. Mustang Mach-E GT achieves 0-60 mph time of 3.8 seconds. With a 0-60 mph time of 3.5 seconds, the Mustang Mach-E GT Performance Edition makes an already-fast electric pony even quicker.

    Mustang Mach-E customers love the center 15.5" touchscreen. Within, SYNC 4A combines cloud-based connectivity, Ford Power-Up over-the-air software updates <-- See below, enhanced voice recognition, connected built-in navigation plus much more.

    2022 Ford Mustang Mach-E GT


    2022 Ford Mustang Mach-E Sales through April of 2022

    From the Ford April sales release, Mustang Mach-E sales increased 61.0 percent over March and 95.0 percent over last year, with Mustang Mach-E having its best sales month since launch. Through April, Mustang Mach-E sales totaled 10,539 vehicles placing it second only to Tesla Model Y in electric SUV sales!

    The most important upgrade of all however is not just the increased range for 2022 as reported many months ago but from a discussion with the Ford's EV Drivetrain design manager, Gitanji McRoy. The Mustang Mach-E has been upgraded via OTA update to increase peak charging to 160+ KW! ;) ;) ;)

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  14. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    And Ford has only how many dealers as opposed to Tesla ?
    Hang in there , Ford. I'm sure all of your truck and SUV customers are going to trade in
    their FSP's on one of these sweet..... crossovers. It's not a car . it's not a truck.
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  15. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    You can literally buy a car from Tesla's website.
    With the traditional car companies' sites, you get handed off to a dealer, and hope they don't pull the usual dealer tactics.
  16. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I haven't been through Tesla's purchase process before so I'll have to reserve judgement on whether I'll like it or not.

    Bottom line for me with dealer tactics vs. Tesla pricing is that the cost will be higher. With the traditional buying process, you can sometimes find deals. With Tesla, it feels always one-sided, i.e. Tesla wins. And they have the profit margin to show for it.
  17. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Yes, I forgot about that.
    And when you buy from a dealer ? The dealer wins.
    Apples vs oranges , also. You can buy a pretty nice Audi A5 for the price of a more basic Model 3.
    It won't be a Tesla , but it will probably have better build quality and nicer interior.
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  18. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Good and fair points, Edwin. The way I see it though, if I may use a pie analogy... Dealer network
    gives you a standard pie (normal MSRP) and both the manufacturer and dealership take a piece of
    the pie (divvy up x%). Tesla gives you a bigger pie (higher MSRP) and keeps a bigger % of the pie
    (x+y %) all to itself. (x+y is about 3 times x, all in very loose terms...) Tesla keeps testing out the
    elasticity of demand for their cars, and for now, it seems limitless.

    I wonder if the build quality is still an issue after Tesla's huge volume. It wouldn't be a very good
    business model if they have huge volumes and every single one requires follow-up service to fix

    The single castings that Tesla uses must remove much variation in that part of the build.

    The Cadillac Lyriq or Lexus RZ 450e wouldn't be bad (if going for the luxury EV market),
    especially if the latter had faster charging capability. Good to hear that the Mach-E is getting
    OTA upgrades to the charging speed.
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  19. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Tesla may simply be getting the manufacturer and dealer part of the pie combined. Their higher MSRP is no different than the market adjustment some dealers add to MSRP.

    You might find dealers sticking to MSRP, but in high demand/low supply situations they will soon be out of stock. Leaving people buying at those marked up new cars, or paying over MSRP for 'used' cars(see cabbage patch kids and game consoles). Then there is the variable of manufacturer to dealer incentives, like move some many units in a month and get a bonus. That can lead to deals, but it also introduces frustration and stress to the process, on top of what many have with just going to a dealer.

    Tesla's method is at least transparent. Until someone makes a competitive product in high numbers, they can sit pretty on the high demand.
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  20. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    No arguments from me on everything you said... I think Tesla has the whole, end-to-end process optimized hence their high margins. No middle men, no or much fewer showrooms, much of the content in the cars is programmable and upgradeable via software. Software's one of those things you can pretty much sell in unlimited quantity without additional costs, unlike hardware. This works to a certain degree, with inadequate or changed designs resulting in the different generations of full "self-driving" tech. $10-12k-??k for the privilege of being a beta tester,... priceless. (for Tesla) :)

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