VWs ID.4 BEV Rated at 250-miles

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] Three years of Electrify America fast charging is included at no additional cost.

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – November 25, 2020

    2021 VW ID.4


    VW released the range of its 2021 ID.4 all-electric SUV. The ID.4 1st Edition and Pro trims have been certified at an EPA-estimated 250 miles of range on a single charge.

    2021 VW ID.4 Exterior

    The ID.4s front bumper incorporates large intake-like scoops and honeycomb accents. The std. SUV silhouette does include aero treatments with a very average drag coefficient of 0.28.

    All trims come with a body color roof, black roof rails, and 19-inch alloys. The Statement package adds a panoramic fixed-glass roof, premium LED headlamps with Volkswagen’s Adaptive Front-lighting System (AFS) and power-folding side mirrors with puddle lamp signature. The Gradient package (sold on top of the Statement package) upgrades to 20-inch alloys, black roof, and silver roof rails and accents.

    2021 VW ID.4 Interior

    VW’s first fully-electric SUV features includes a 99.9 cubic feet of passenger volume. Legroom is a comfortable 41.1 inches for front passengers and 37.6 inches in the rear seat. Cargo volume is 30.3 cubic feet behind the second row, and 64.2 cubic feet with the seats folded. This is very similar to the RAV4 Prime’s and Mustang MachEs 101.3/33.4 and 101/29.7 cu. ft. of passenger/cargo volume respectively.

    The 5.3-inch digital driver display replaces the traditional instrument cluster and is operated with touch-sensitive controls on the leather-wrapped multifunction heated wheel. Three tiles show the most important information, with the display for battery status and range underneath. The traditional gearshift is replaced by a large rocker switch on the right of the display, and a control panel to the left of the wheel integrates the lighting functions, including auto headlamps.

    A 10-inch Discover Pro touch infotainment display is located in the middle of the dash and angled slightly towards the driver. This screen can be configured to driver preference, and manages the standard navigation system, all telematics, entertainment, driver-assistance systems and vehicle settings. The Statement trim includes a 12-inch display. Menus can be moved using gesture control, simply swiping one’s hand in front of the screen. Sliders for volume and temperature adjustment are located on the inclined surface below the display.

    The ID.4 features a light strip below the windshield.

    The wheel, column, and the housings for the display and control panels in the doors are finished in Piano Black. Seats in the ID.4 are finished in black cloth on entry models and Lunar Gray or Galaxy Black leatherette on models with the upscale Statement package. Entry ID.4 models feature six-way adjustable seats with power recline, while the Statement package adds 12-way power seats, with massage lumbar and memory, and 30-color ambient lighting.

    ID.4 offers a range of comfort and convenience features including rain-sensing wipers, auto-dimming rearview mirror, dual-zone auto-climate, and keyless entry. The ID.4 features a standard heated wheel, heated side mirrors and washer nozzles, and, on AWD models, a heated windshield. The Statement trim adds SiriusXM satellite radio an adjustable trunk floor, and a power tailgate with Easy Open & Close.

    To complete the high-tech package, ID.4 offers standard wireless charging, wireless App-Connect, and VW Car-Net with WiFi.


    2021 VW ID.4 Chassis

    The ID.4 chassis and body are made from steel. The front suspension is a strut-type and anti-roll bar. outback, the ID.4 uses a multi-link. A curb-to-curb turning radius of 33.5 feet is a highlight.

    The ID.4 features discs up front and drums out back. What???

    2021 VW ID.4 Drivetrain Begins with the Battery

    The first models - ID.4 1st Edition and ID.4 Pro – include an 82kWh (~ 70+ kWh useable) traction battery comprised of 288 cells in 12 modules that is positioned in the underbody to create a low center of gravity. The pack can be charged from 5 to 80 percent in just under 40-minutes at a maximum 125 kW on a CCS DCFC. From an 11 kW L2, the ID.4 can charge at 33 miles in an hour, and charges to full from flat in 7.5 hours.

    A rear-mounted AC permanent-magnet synchronous motor with 201 hp and 228 lb-ft of torque provides the propulsion.

    The news however is not that the ID.4 has a very average 250-miles range, it is that new owners will receive three years of unlimited charging sessions within the Electrify America network at no additional cost. Electrify America is the nation’s largest DC fast charging network with more than 2,000 DC fast chargers, including a newly completed cross-country route to take electric vehicle (EV) drivers from Washington D.C. to L.A.

    Beginning in 2022, the ID.4 will be produced at the U.S. VW Chattanooga Assembly Plant. Volkswagen anticipates investing another $800 million in the Chattanooga factory for the production of BEVs. Once production starts in the U.S., VW plans on offering a localized version of the ID.4 priced around $35,000.

    2021 VW ID.4 Safety

    The ID.4 includes front, and side curtains. Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) and Electronic Stability Control (ESC) are also standard.

    An extruded aluminum frame protects the battery system against damage in the event of a crash, and a replaceable aluminum underbody panel protects the battery against road debris. Additionally, the battery is also disabled if the vehicle is involved in a serious accident.

    All ID.4 models include Forward Collision Warning and Autonomous Emergency Braking with Pedestrian Monitoring; Blind Spot Monitor; Rear Traffic Alert; Adaptive Cruise Control; Lane Keeping System; Travel Assist; and Emergency Assist, the ID.4 includes Dynamic Road Sign Display; Park Distance Control; and High Beam Control.


    The 2021 ID.4 is on sale now, with pricing for the RWD ID.4 Pro starting at $39,995 before the Federal tax credit of $7,500 if the owner qualifies. The ID.4 1st Edition carries an MSRP of $43,995. A 302-hp, electric AWD variant will follow in early 2021.
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  2. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Too tall , too heavy , too BIG , too much ! In other words........ Americans might buy this.
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  3. MaxxMPG

    MaxxMPG Hasta Lavista AAA-Vee Von't Be Bach

    Drum brakes have less drag than discs, and so less rolling resistance. Plus they're cheaper to build and replace. Parking brake design is vastly simpler, cheaper and lighter weight. The only downsides to drums - they lose effectiveness when hot (fade) or wet don't matter much for EVs. The regen does most of the braking anyway.
    My ultimate braking package would be tiny little 6 inch aluminum drums that are poorly adjusted, and a brake pedal with about 9 inches of travel (to allow the poorly adjusted brakes to grab). Brakes are only for emergencies or times when you're off your game and end up catching a light before it changes to green.
  4. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Yeah. I doan need no steenkin brakes !
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  5. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    I like the styling. VWs have always looked good to me. I wouldn't buy this BEV at half the price but I would buy the new VW Variant station wagon in a heartbeat. Shame they won't sell it to me.
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  6. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    ... Yes, overall, they're better than discs in the rear. They're also less inclined to rust every time it rains.
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    This was a well put together 2 min and 32 sec vid on VWs high temperature charge testing at its Arizona Proving Ground.


    VW #ID4
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  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And 2 min and 33 sec. of the all-new Chattanooga battery lab goodness.

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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Americans’ interest in EVs continues to heat up and VWs ID.4 SUV is scheduled to reach dealerships soon.

    2021 VW ID.4


    Cold temperatures affect the efficiency of all vehicles with EV batteries performing markedly worse in cold temperatures that stand out. In a fossil-fueled vehicle, typically a third of the fuel burned escapes the engine as heat, some of which can be used to warm the interior. In an electric vehicle, where the motor may be up to 95 percent efficient, there’s no spare energy lying around to be used on interior climate control.

    Powering those heaters will lessen an EV’s range by a moderate amount, especially in temperatures below freezing. The VW ID.4 EV like all EVs was designed to reduce the impact cold temps will have on the vehicle.

    The first is pre-heating. VWs Car-Net mobile app allows pre-heating of the ID.4 interior while it’s still connected to the charger. This uses energy from the grid rather than from the vehicle battery, preserving range, and leaving you with a warm vehicle when you’re ready to depart.

    Every 2021 VW ID.4 EV comes with heated front seats and a heated steering wheel that heat your body directly providing an efficient way to warm up quickly on cold days. Like all EVs not designed with a heat pump, the ID.4 uses an electric resistance heater as part of the Climatronic climate control system. It will bring interior temperatures up faster than the traditional heaters from gas-powered vehicles.

    By next winter, the ID.4 will arrive with AWD.

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  10. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    The MINI Electric is looking better and better to me.

    Don't talk to me about range , it has plenty for me.
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The walk around...

    2021 VW ID. 4

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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    How the VW ID.4 Communicates with Light

    Most communications go in one direction: We tell them what to do, and they do it. In science fiction, computers and other machines have long talked back, and only with the advent of digital assistants have those dreams are edging closer to reality.

    With the imminent arrival of the VW ID.4, there’s a new way for the vehicle to communicate with its passengers. Born from VW research into potential future autonomous technologies and decades of experience with human-machine interface systems, the ID. Light represents a breakthrough in intelligent, two-way communications between the passengers and the car – pointing to the future of driving. And the VW ID.4 is the perfect place to start.

    Standard on all ID.4 models, the ID. Light is a thin line of 54 multi-colored LEDs at the bottom of the windshield behind the cockpit. Designed to be visible in a driver’s peripheral vision or at certain angles from outside the vehicle, the ID. Light communicates several types of messages through color and patterns. All of those have been carefully designed and engineered to help keep the driver focused on the road while giving key feedback.

    Interaction with the ID. Light begins the moment the driver sits down in the ID.4 with a “welcome” animation in white and blue, letting the driver know the ID.4 is ready to go, since unlike regular vehicles, EVs have no engine noise to indicate they’re powered up; a reverse of these colors displays when the driver leaves the car. When using the in-vehicle navigation system, the ID. Light shows upcoming directional prompts with an animated blue line – for example, flowing to the left for left turns. If the driver or passenger want to engage the car’s voice commands, ID. Light responds in white in front of the speaking occupant. To help manage demands on the driver’s attention, incoming phone calls trigger a green flash in the center, and in case of an emergency braking event, ID. Light vividly flashes red.

    When plugging in the ID.4 to charge, the ID. Light pulses with a green status bar, giving its owner a clear a way to see the battery charging state from outside the vehicle at a distance.

    The idea for the ID.4 was developed from experience with automated driving technologies and vehicles Volkswagen first demonstrated at the Computer Electronics Show in 2015. Volkswagen experts realized that as driver assist systems and screens multiplied inside vehicles, so too would demands on drivers’ attention.

    Addressing that challenge led to many hours of research and human-machine interface design that allows the ID. Light to be both simple and highly intelligent. The ID. Light will not show two “messages” at once; it’s programmed with a hierarchy to provide only the most important data at any given moment. The location at the bottom of the windshield puts it in the driver’s peripheral vision, letting the driver see it without glancing away from the road. And its colors and animations are a carefully curated syntax that’s friendly, universal and easy to grasp – giving drivers the information they need while they keep their eyes on the road.

    The ID.3 (sold in Europe) and ID.4 are the first VW EVs to feature standard ID. Light and as VW moves toward the future, the ID. Light will be able to add new capabilities via software updates.
  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    VWs Li-Ion Battery Recycling Pilot Plant

    VW Components has now opened the brands first recycling plant for electric car batteries in Salzgitter, Germany. With the pilot plant, another step towards sustainable end-to-end manufacturing including disposal for the entire value chain of the electric vehicle batter is at hand.

    Techs Disassembling a VW Li-Ion Traction Battery in Preps for Recycling


    The process aims to recover all of the valuable raw materials including lithium, nickel, manganese and cobalt in a closed loop together with aluminum, copper and plastics, achieving a recycling rate of more than 90% over the long term.

    The unique feature of the Salzgitter plant is that it only recycles batteries that can no longer be used for other purposes. Before the battery is recycled, an analysis determines whether the battery is still powerful enough to be given a second life in mobile energy storage systems such as the flexible rapid charging station or the mobile charging robot. Larger volumes of battery returns are not expected until the late 2020s at the earliest. Therefore, the plant has been designed to initially recycle up to 3,600 battery systems per year during the pilot phase. In future, the system can be scaled up to handle larger quantities as the process is consistently optimized.
    The recycling process does not require melting in a blast furnace but instead, the used battery systems are delivered, deep discharged, and dismantled. The individual parts are ground into granules in the shredder and then dried. In addition to aluminum, copper and plastics, the process also yields valuable “black powder”, which contains the important raw materials for batteries such as lithium, nickel, manganese, and cobalt, as well as graphite. The separation and processing of the individual substances by hydrometallurgical processes—using water and chemical agents—is subsequently carried out by specialized partners.
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  14. some_other_dave

    some_other_dave Well-Known Member

    Have you seen the review by Engineering Explained on Youtube? He was pretty critical of the charging setup in particular--it sounds like they have a way to go (with the software) before it's decently convenient. Ditto the interface between the charging network and the built-in nav system; he showed an example where the nav guided him to a 7.5KV charger that would have required ~30 hours to recharge the vehicle!!

    Hopefully that's another software fix that can be updated on the fly.
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    For the 2022 MY, the VW ID.4 receives a range increase.

    VW released EPA-ratings for the 2022 ID.4 electric SUV with the ID.4 Pro sporting an EPA-estimated 280 miles of range, an increase of 20 miles over the 2021 model.

    2022 VW ID.4


    The RWD ID.4 Pro S is now EPA rated for 268 miles, the AWD Pro is rated at an EPA-estimated 251 miles of range, and the AWD Pro S is now rated at an EPA-estimated 245 miles of range.
    • RWD ID.4 Pro is rated at 121/102/112 MPGe in city/highway/combined
    • RWD ID.4 Pro S is rated at 115/97/106 MPGe city/highway/combined
    • AWD ID.4 Pro is rated at 106/96/101 MPGe city/highway/combined
    • AWD ID.4 Pro S is rated at 100/90/95 MPGe city/highway/combined
    All ID.4s feature an 82kWh (gross) battery along with a permanent-magnet synchronous motor in the rear, offering 201 HP and 229 lb-ft of torque. The AWD ID.4 adds an asynchronous electric motor on the front axle. The front unit has a maximum output of 107 HP and 119 lb-ft of torque. Together, the system has a maximum output of 295 HP and 339 lb-ft of torque.

    The ID.4 improves the DC fast-charging rate for the MY 2022 slightly from 125 kW to 135 kW. The 2022 ID.4 arrives with 3 years of unlimited 30-minute charging sessions at Electrify America DC fast chargers at no additional cost. VW customers will be able to manage their charging plan through the Electrify America app. For model year 2022, the ID.4 offers a Plug and Charge feature (later availability) to improve the charging experience at Electrify America. Once you have used Plug and Charge, everything else outside of a free L2/L3 is ancient technology.

    By 2026, the company plans to more than double its infrastructure with 1,800 charging stations comprised of 10,000 individual chargers in the United States and Canada.

    Pricing for the 2022 RWD ID.4 starts at $40,760 MSRP before a potential Federal tax credit of up to $7,500. The AWD ID.4 Pro carries a starting manufacturer’s suggested retail price of $44,440. The RWD Pro S models are priced from $45,260 and $48,940 for AWD. Destination for all ID.4 models is $1,195.

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  16. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Oh yeah. That's the stuff that can't be separated or recycled , so it goes to a landfill , right ?
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  17. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    No, that contains the most valuable materials from the recycling, and as the article said, it takes special partners to do that part of the process.

    Some promising news...

    The researchers found that batteries they made with their new cathode-recycling technique perform just as well as those with a cathode made from scratch. In fact, batteries with the recycled cathode both last longer and charge faster.Feb 1, 2022

    Recycled Lithium-Ion Batteries Can Perform Better Than New ...
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  18. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Sounds kind of mysterious. I was hoping for a better explanation , more transparency. Or maybe I'm looking for a flaw in the plan that may not exist.

    I need to assume the positive.
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  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    VW Begins U.S. Assembly All-electric ID.4 in Chattanooga, Tennessee

    [​IMG] The Passat is gone while the ID.4 takes its place.

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – July , 2022

    VW marked the start of production of its all-electric ID.4 compact SUV in Chattanooga, Tenn., the company’s first electric vehicle assembled in the United States.

    2022 VW ID.4


    The ID.4 is VW’s most popular all-electric model, with 190,000 units delivered globally since its launch in 2021.Vw is now aiming to ramp up ID.4 volume to 7,000+ vehicles with production in Chattanooga and a further increase in output through 2023. Future consumers can expect U.S. made ID.4s to be delivered as early as October. Initially, the American-assembled ID.4 will be available in either RWD and AWD with an 82kWh battery. In addition, a lower cost RWD version with a 62kWh battery will go into production later in 2022.

    The start of production is the result of Volkswagen’s $800 million investment into the electrification of its Chattanooga factory, including dedicated facilities for vehicle and battery pack assembly. The factory in Tennessee is now the sixth global site to produce vehicles for Volkswagen’s electric line-up.

    The American-assembled ID.4, Volkswagen’s electric SUV flagship, will be mainly sourced in the North American region. The vehicle includes materials and components assembled in 11 U.S. states, from steel in Alabama and Ohio, to interior parts in Indiana and South Carolina, and electronics components in Kentucky and North Carolina. The EV battery will be supplied by SK Innovation in Georgia.

    As part of the launch, suppliers have invested $2.7 billion USD throughout the North American continent, including the battery partnership with SK Innovation. More than 3,000 U.S. jobs on supplier side have been created.

    Volkswagen Chattanooga employs more than 4,000 people and is hiring more than 1,000 new production team members through 2022 to meet ID.4 customer demand. To prepare for the EV transition, the factory has organized more than 75,000 hours of workforce training on battery-powered vehicle and high-voltage systems.

    Volkswagen has committed $7.1 billion over the next five years in the North American region to boost its product portfolio, regional R&D and manufacturing capabilities. The brand will advance its electric line-up through 2030, including the American-assembled ID.4 in 2022, a fastback sedan and the ID. Buzz electric microbus in 2024, and new electric SUVs from 2026. Volkswagen aims for 55 percent of U.S. sales to be fully electric by 2030.
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