Autonomous Bosch-Mercedes-Benz S-Class Working San Jose

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] SAE Level 4/5 in the near or intermediate term?

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – December 17, 2019

    Bosch and Mercedes-Benz’s joint project to develop urban automated driving has now entered a new stage.

    Autonomous Bosch-Mercedes-Benz S-Class


    The pilot for an app-based ride-hailing service using automated Mercedes-Benz S-Class vehicles has now been launched in the Silicon Valley city of San José. Monitored by a safety driver, the self-driving cars shuttle between West San José and downtown, along the San Carlos Street and Stevens Creek Boulevard thoroughfares. The service will initially be available to a select group of users. They will use an app developed by Daimler Mobility AG to book a journey by the automated S-Class vehicles from a defined pick-up point to their destination. Bosch and Mercedes-Benz hope this trial will provide valuable insights into the further development of their SAE Level 4/5 automated driving system. The partners also expect to gain further insights into how self-driving cars can be integrated into an intermodal mobility system that also includes public transportation and car-sharing.

    In mid-2017, San José was the first U.S. city to invite private companies to carry out field tests of automated driving and analyze the growing real-world city road challenges. Self-driving cars’ permanent 360-degree surround sensing can potentially enhance safety, smooth driving style, and improve traffic flow.

    The project of Mercedes-Benz and Bosch ties in with San José’s extensive ‘Smart City’ objectives.

    Between August and November, representatives of the project joined staff from the City of San José to discuss the project with several community organizations. At seven meetings of neighborhood and business groups along the corridor, the team discussed the project goals, demonstrated the vehicle technology, explained the layers of safety redundancy built into the project, and took suggestions for future use cases.

    US and Beyond

    For the last two years, Bosch and Mercedes-Benz have been working together on solutions for automated driving in cities. Their common goal is an SAE Level 4/5 driving system for fully automated and driverless vehicles, including the software for vehicle management. In their work to develop software for controlling vehicle movement, the partners deliberately do not rely solely on artificial intelligence and clocking up test mileage. Their engineers also use simulations and specially designed proving grounds to specifically address the kind of driving situations that occur only very rarely in road traffic. For this purpose, engineers at the Immendingen, Germany testing and technology center can make use of a 24-acre proving ground designed specifically for automated driving.

    Complex traffic situations can be reproduced extremely accurately. For Bosch and Mercedes-Benz, thoroughness and safety are top priorities. The alliance is not exclusively concerned with the road and weather conditions in the United States. While one part of the team is based in Sunnyvale, a Silicon Valley city between San José and San Francisco, another part comprising engineers from both companies works in the Stuttgart area.

    Wherever they work, the Bosch and Mercedes-Benz team members are in constant communication. This ensures short decision-making channels and rapid exchange across disciplines. And at any time, associates can draw on the knowledge and expertise of their colleagues in their parent companies. The division of labor within the project has Mercedes-Benz’s integrating the jointly developed drive systems into the vehicle, and to provide the necessary trial vehicles, test bays, and test fleets. Bosch develops and manufactures the components for urban automated driving that the alliance has identified.


    Specially for their automated ride-hailing service pilot project, Bosch and Mercedes-Benz have taken a further partner on board: Daimler Mobility AG is developing and testing a fleet platform to accompany the pilot operation phase. This allows potential ride-hailing partners to seamlessly integrate self-driving (Mercedes-Benz) vehicles into their service portfolio. The platform manages both self-driving and conventional vehicles, including operation and maintenance. An app-based mobility service for conventionally driven Mercedes-Benz vehicles went into operation in the Bay Area in the fall of 2019. The service is also available in the German capital Berlin.

    As mentioned numerous times, an autonomous vehicle with non-owners in the backseat spells trouble. A lot of trouble for every reason you can imagine and many you cannot.
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  2. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I'll bet that a rideshare driver with 150K miles has seen things happen in the backseat ( even with a human driver )
    that they wish they hadn't seen. :)
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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Edwin:

    It would be rated PG to X and to have to tell full grown adults to stop because they are being stupid is ... Well, sort of disgusting in itself. ;)

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  4. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Why autonomous cars won’t be autonomous
    "One phenomenon that feeds the illusion of A.I. supercompetence is called the Eliza effect, which emerged from an MIT study in 1966. Test subjects using the Eliza chatbot reported that they perceived empathy on the part of the computer.

    Nowadays, the Eliza effect makes people feel that A.I. Is generally competent, when in fact it’s only narrowly so. When we hear about a supercomputer winning at chess, we think, “If they can beat smart humans at chess, they must be smarter than smart humans.” But this is the illusion. In fact, chess-playing robots are “smarter” than people at one thing, whereas people are smarter than that chess-optimized computer at a million things.

    Self-driving cars don’t do one thing. They do a million things. That’s easy for humans, hard for A.I.

    We don’t overestimate A.I. — A.I. is in fact amazing and groundbreaking and will transform human life, mostly for the better.

    What we consistently do is underestimate human intelligence, which will remain vastly superior to computers at human-centric tasks for the remainder of our lifetimes, at least.

    The evolution of self-driving cars is a perfect illustration of how the belief that the machines will function on their own in complex ways is mistaken.

    They’ll function. But with our constant help.

    A.I. needs humans to back them up when they're not intelligent enough to do their jobs."
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  5. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Maybe we need to train chimpanzees to drive for us. :D Or maybe Yogi the bear.
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  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Human drivers can ( and do ) make mistakes , but they're still the best we've got.
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Level 4 is really really hard. Level 5 is us. I have to assume Level 4 will be reached within 5 or so years but Level 5? That is a Terminator type future.

    In addition, these tests are almost always setup in perfect conditions. Vegas, Phoenix, Tucson, and San Jose. I still remember driving a Toyota with Level2 hardware between the IL/WI border and Michigan as it started to snow. System after system was faulting with warning signs as the snow became heavier and the sensors were being blocked. It was not a big deal as this was not a test of any autonomous vehicle actions but just std. FCW, RCC, and LKA that lost function.

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  8. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    I was pretty excited about this autonomy stuff when the buzz first started a few years back. Now.,.. I'm moving more into the "Woz camp" --- probably won't see level 5 in my lifetime.

    Level 4 seems of such limited use (?) -- geofenced to a small area, limited to a certain speed (i.e. 30 mph) etc..... AND still requiring a human available to intervene? -- what's the point?

    The downside might be that "they" might have to geofence human driven cars out of the level 4/5 areas in order to make level 4/5 viable -- not to mention transponders in every vehicle, ... perhaps on every pedestrian and bicyclist inside of the fence (i.e. must be packing a cell phone with the required equipment)..
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  9. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Another area of automation is in the skies. Just wait till the robo air taxis start crashing due to bird strikes and over crowded skies. We're getting so lazy we want prescriptions and fast food delivered by air.
  10. litesong

    litesong litesong

    In the year 5555
    Your arms are hanging limp at your sides
    Your legs got nothing to do
    Some machine's doing that for you

    P.S. However, Tiril Eckhoff, 10+ year biathlon veteran, won a biathlon event by 1min 24 seconds, despite missing one shot. Having to ski an extra penalty lap, she re-entered the ski course, still ahead of all the other athletes ..... BEFORE the other contenders entered the shooting region for their last shots. So with all the great athletes in all the great competitions, maybe "The Year, 2525" is just a song.
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