2021 Toyota RAV4 Prime – Powerful and 42-miles of All-Electric Range!

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Nov 20, 2019.

  1. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Yah, I've been reading around a little more. Low $30's ain't gonna happen. Plus, wider tires with an emphasis on the sport performance. Probably 36-ish mpg and day in day out around 3 miles/kWh (?) --- You need really high gas prices and low electricity prices to make that pen out (vs efficient ICE or hybrid).

    Still, I'm sure there will be plenty of takers at the start of sales. But may taper off after a year or two -- kind of like what we've seen with a lot of plug ins (PHEVs and BEVs).

    /if Toyota can keep pumping the performance aspect (like Tesla has done) , .. then they may be able to hold their audience. -- I might expect Honda and the others to emphasize lowered 0-60 times on the phevs, ... it's really tough if not impossible to justify the added cost on pure economics {I've been saying this for years . ... really wished Honda would have went this route with the CR-Z}.
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  2. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I just treat a PHEV as a better version of the hybrid model, albeit with the weight penalty but having more instantaneous power from the electric motor due to the higher power rating of the battery. It gives much better control of when to use the ICE, and on longer trips, I found it quite easy to control state of charge of the big battery, from saving for later to using judiciously and being able to recover the state of charge in incremental steps without going into engine-charge mode (on the Prime).

    Of course, the cost aspect has to work out, but that's the buyer's problem.
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  3. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    Past power PHEVs haven't done well, but they did the economy and EV range worse than what this Rav will likely get.
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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Some great news from the U.S. home of Toyota. ;)

    2023 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid/Prime Receive Nice Upgrades!

    Plano, TX -- When the fifth-generation Toyota New Global Architecture (TNGA-K) platform equipped RAV4 and RAV4 Hybrid was introduced just four years ago, it took literally months for this all-new 5th gen to become the best-selling CUV/SUV in the U.S. Like a clock whose hands only move forward, the RAV4 is receiving infotainment and safety upgrades that will allow it to continue as the U.S.’ best-selling and imho, best overall CUV/SUV available today.

    There is a new Hybrid Woodland Edition featuring a TRD-tuned suspension, off-road tires, black roof cross bars, and a 120V inverter to name a few but this trim is going to take a beating on its EPA so I will leave it for the reader to discover its additional attributes.

    On the drivetrain front, the world’s best 2.5L, the Camry Hybrid drivetrain, carries on unchanged in the 2023 RAV4 Hybrid and RAV4 Prime.

    Toyota RAV4 Hybrid Drivetrain


    What is new is Toyota’s new digital Connected Technology team based in Plano, TX has finally produced a Multimedia system worthy of the Toyota moniker. For 2023, ALL RAV4 models have this new system! ALL!

    This new multimedia system is Over-the-Air (OTA) updatable and can be woken up with the Intelligent Assistant system by saying “Hey Toyota”, search for directions, find Points of Interest (POI), adjust audio controls, and even change the cabin temps. To ensure users have the most up-to-date search capabilities, POI search is provided by Google Points-of-Interest data. Destination Assist also gives access to 24/7 live agent assistance to locate the next destination.

    The new system allows for dual Bluetooth phone connectivity, with standard support for Wireless Apple CarPlay and Android Auto

    Unlike Toyota AA and ACP incorporation in the past, yesterday I was driving the 2023 Sequoia for well over 100-miles and not once did the wireless AA glitch, skip, reboot, or disconnect. Meaning it works as good or better than the class-leading Hyundai/Kia system. For god’s sake what took so long and thank you Toyota for working to make it work like it did!!!

    An available AT&T Wi-Fi Connect trial subscription offers 4G connectivity for up to five devices – Just use your phone and save the $s. HD Radio, USB data and a SiriusXM 3-month trial subscription are also included.

    So the system is great, what else does the 2023 arrive with? Well, it also receives an upgrade to the Multi-Information Display screens. Gone is that POS flat black plastic surround of the 7” center display on the base Hybrid and non-Hybrid. An 8” display is now standard on LE/Hybrid LE, XLE/Hybrid XLE, XLE Premium/Hybrid XLE Premium, Adventure, Hybrid SE, and Prime SE. TRD Off-Road, Hybrid XSE, Limited/Hybrid Limited, and Prime XSE arrive with the standard 10.5” display. Also new is a 12.3” driver display that comes standard on Limited/Hybrid Limited and Prime XSE. The 12.3” display is an optional upgrade on XLE Premium/Hybrid XLE Premium, TRD Off-Road and Hybrid XSE grades. A 7-inch driver display is now standard on LE/Hybrid LE, XLE/Hybrid XLE and Hybrid SE/SE Prime trims.

    New info -- Toyota just informed me that the 2023 RAV4 Prime SE receives the same 6.6 KW charging capability as the Prime XSE. Yeah!!! :D :D :D

    But wait, that is not all. All 2023 RAV4’s arrive with Toyota Safety Sense 2.5 standard. This includes Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian Detection that has been improved over the current system with the ability to detect an oncoming vehicle or a pedestrian at intersections when making a turn. The Pre-Collision System is designed to detect vehicles, pedestrians and bicyclists and provide audio/visual alerts and automatic braking in certain conditions. Emergency steering assist is an additional function designed to detect pedestrians and stabilize the driver’s emergency evasive steering maneuvers and help prevent lane departure.

    TSS2.5 on RAV4 also includes Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control (DRCC). Lane Departure Alert is alerts you if it senses the vehicle is leaving the lane without engaging a turn signal. When DRCC is set and engaged, Lane Tracing Assist is also activated.

    Auto High Beams, Road Sign Assist, and Rear Seat Reminder are also standard across the entire lineup.

    In addition to the TSS 2.5 system, Blind Spot Monitor, Rear Cross Traffic Alert, a Bird’s Eye View Camera, Intelligent Clearance Sonar (ICS) and Rear Cross Traffic Braking (RCTB) system are optional.

    Front and Rear Parking Assist with Automatic Braking plus Toyota’s Star Safety System, which includes Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), Traction Control (TRAC), Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD), Brake Assist (BA), Anti-lock Braking System (ABS) and Smart Stop Technology (SST).

    2023 Toyota RAV4 SE Hybrid


    *The 2023 RAV4 SE “Prime” has now been verified to include all the basic 2023 upgrades plus more.

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  5. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    I wonder if cabin heat is by heat pump or ICE. The conventional ICE heater on the Tucson PHEV is a sore point for many owners. They have to run the ICE to get cabin heat in the winter which mostly negates the PHEV advantage. The Tucson PHEV guys, surprisingly, have the same complaint as us HEV guys in that Hyundai doesn't give us enough control over when the engine starts. I wonder if Toyota gives its customers more freedom in that regard.
  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jay:

    Toyota PR/Communications just got back to me with the 2023 RAV4 Prime SE details matching what I had hoped plus they provided another "excellent" tidbit. That the 2023 Toyota RAV4 Prime SE now incorporates the same 6.6 KW charger as the XSE. The 3.3 KW was just a bit to slow to charge up that 12 KW + useable pack.

    Regarding your heat pump question, from the 2019 release:

  7. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Hi Jay, the RAV4 Prime has a heat pump as does the Prius Prime. The Crosstrek Hybrid which borrows Toyota's PHEV tech does as well.

    Edit: source
    https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/32758042.html on the original RAV4 Prime. I presume Toyota would not regress.
  8. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Great news on the upgraded onboard charger across all trims, Wayne.
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  9. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    The RAV4 Prime is so good I could almost forget how much I dislike SUVs.
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