A Tesla Killer Enters the Fray – It is Called Ford Mustang Mach-E

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Nov 18, 2019.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The next segment in the same ER-AWD consisted of some more suburban like light to light and a short stint of 55 mph freeway over the course of 0.325 hours (1.087 hours - 0.762 hours) yielded the same 5.6 miles/kWh efficiency rating over both segments. Another impressive result given this is rated at 3.25 miles/kWh in the city per the EPA.

    2021 Mustang MachE ER-AWD Suburban Drive Results

    Suburban: 9.5 miles/.325 hours = 29.2 mph avg speed - 5.6 miles/kWh indicated.

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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And to complete the entire loop from the LA SoFi stadium back to the same SoFi stadium in downtown LA, including the exact city/suburban heading out and coming back plus an ascent and descent to just over 2,200' above the Cliffs overlooking Malibu. It also included a few pic stops during the drive as well.

    2021 Mustang MachE ER-AWD City/Suburban/Steep Mountain Ascent/Descent Drive Results

    Total: 58.7 miles/2.66 hours = 22 mph avg. speed - 4.8 miles/kWh indicated.​

    Again, this result is far beyond that of the MachE ER-AWD 3.25/2.82/3.06 miles/kWh city/highway/combined EPA ratings. A lot damn further!

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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I pulled the EPA datafile to deduce the EPA range ratings for the city/highway/combined and divided by 88 kWh to come up with the mi/kWh ratings I used in the above 3 case studies.

    2021 Ford Mustang MachE and Tesal Model Y EPA all-electric range miles


    With the Mustang MachE ER-AWD short range efficiency rating study behind us, wait until you see what comes up next. ;)

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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    But first, here is the pricing and specs for the entire trim range. I updated one of the original posts - post #11 - from late 2019 with the latest pricing details as well. There was a significant MSRP reduction in the Select, Premium and California Route 1 prices in particular.

    2021 Ford Mach-E Pricing - $7,500 Fed Tax Credit brings all of these prices down if the buyer qualifies.

    RWD "SELECT" trim w/ 18" or Opt. 19" wheels
    MSRP Starts at $42,895
    Estimated EPA range: 230 miles
    0 to 60: Mid 5.2 seconds

    RWD "PREMIUM" RWD SR/ER w/ 19" wheels
    MSRP Starts at $47,000/$52,000
    Estimated EPA range: 230/300 miles
    0 to 60: 5.8/6.1 seconds

    RWD "CALIFORNIA ROUTE 1" w/ 18" wheels
    MSRP Starts at $49,800
    Estimated EPA range: 305 miles
    0 to 60: 6.1 seconds

    AWD "GT" w/ 20" wheels
    MSRP Starts at $60,500
    Estimated EPA range: 250 miles
    0 to 60: 3.8-seconds

    AWD "FIRST EDITION" w/ 19" wheels
    MSRP Starts at $58,300
    Estimated EPA range: 270 miles
    0 to 60: 4.8-seconds

    2021 Ford Mustang MachE Tech Specs for all trims



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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And back to the efficiency details. You all know me, the AWD is not my cup of tea and that is what we were driving. As the program was coming to a close, I asked if they had a 300-mile range ER-RWD Premium or California Route 1? Low and behold, they had a California Route 1 all charged up and ready to roll. In my head, I am thinking it should be a bit more efficient but how much more so is a huge question mark?

    With less than an hour to go, I headed out to the infamous California 405. Remember our Coronavirus Effect on Traffic? story posted in early April?
    While the pandemic rages on in California and Ford followed every CDC Guideline to the letter ensuring our safety as well as that of their employees, the 405 was not an empty slab of asphalt and concrete like it was just 9-months earlier. A little slice and dice was in order to keep traffic at bay while performing a single two-way, non-calibrated, 65 mph steady state.

    And the results were? How about stating this made my mouth water and "OH HELL YEAH!!!"

    The stage was set with a RCC set at 65 mph and moving from lane to lane in an attempt to keep traffic ahead at a distance the RCC would not hit the brakes and have to re-accelerate.

    The California Highway 1 ER-RWD trim has an EPA rated 300-miles of All-electric range. From the latest EPA data file, its EPA highway rating is 277 miles/88 kWh or 3.14 miles/kWh. We know from our drive of the ER-AWD Premiums, the non-calibrated city/highway/combined estimates greatly exceeded that of the EPA results as shown in the previous posts. Would the ER-RWD exceed my own expectations on this short stint, 65 mph steady state case study? Just like all of our steady state vehicle tests, if a vehicle exceeds its EPA highway at 65 mph, we call the EPA estimate a solid result. The MachE easily exceeded its 3.14 miles/kWh highway rating so how do you think I called it? :)

    2021 Ford Mustang MachE "California Route 1" ER-RWD non-calibrated 65 mph SS results

    Top is SB at 63.6 mph, mid pic is the central display w/ RCC at 65 mph, and bottom is NB at a calculated 63.15 mph avg. speed.​

    Did you notice the little 4.1 miles/kWh indication in the far lower right corner of each pic? Yeah, that one. Remember too that the OEM odometer always reads short of actual so the actual speed was probably much closer to the 65 mph RCC set than calculated from the Trip distance over the time from flying 65-mph reset.

    To add some more flavor, the second slightly slower result did have two impediments occur in 5-mile test so I accelerated to 68 mph for about a minute to compensate. Yes, the temperature was a perfect 82 degrees F, the windows were rolled up, I was using no HVAC or accessory power for anything other than the displays being on, and there was some traffic side but overall, if that efficiency indication is even close to accurate, hot damn, Ford has a winner on their hands.

    I spoke with one of the engineers about the EPA calibration and he said Ford used the two test and instead of a final offset of .72, they used a .68 in order to provide an even more realistic result.

    Regardless of what they setup, I cannot wait to complete a 100+ mile calibrated drive from my Garmin and MUSTART L2 charging cable to deduce 1. How far below actual the odometer indicates and 2. Calibrate that eFCD. From 3.1 to 4.1 miles/kWh at 65 mph indicates to me that the MachE in ER-RWD California Route 1 or Premium trims could easily touch 400-miles from full to flat with moderate traffic at a reasonable 60 to 65 mph avg. speed pace.

    My one and really only angst regarding the First Drive of the 2021 Ford Mustang MachE was how it was going to compare to its EPA Range estimates. I think that question has been answered with exclamation points and in one hell of a good way! :D

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  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And now for some of the more mundane details of the Mustang MachE first drive...

    E-Latch or how to open the front and rear door(s). It is not intuitive as you would normally think although once you have done it a few times, it comes together nicely.

    One of the items dealing with the doors, the front trunk (Frunk) and rear hatch opening is how solid they feel. The frunk in particular has a foam seal around the cargo opening along with the std. foam along the hood side and front edges. Struts are a nice add-on vs a prop rod as well. When you close it, it has a solid but muted non-metal sound unlike any hood closing you have heard before.

    2021 Ford Mustang MachE

    The 4.7 cu. ft. of leak proof storage compartment can be divided up with the removable and reconfigurable slats as shown.​

    The side doors have a similar sound to them as you close them.

    Out back, the 29.7 cu. ft. of cargo volume with the rear seats up was well squared off and possibly tall enough and deep enough for three to four large suitcases to be stowed standing up. The adjustable floor provides two height settings allowing hidden storage below when in its upmost height setting.


    One item on the "California Route 1" trim that is missing is a powered liftgate. It is one of the missing features us older folks will demand as a must have going forward. The lower cost 300-mile AER Premium trim does and also includes the B&O audio system std. for a lower price. The std 19’s are going to rob some range vs. the California Highway 1s 18” all-black aero alloys and covers with its 305-miles of AER. If only you could order a Premium trim with the California Route 1s 18” alloys. :(

    2021 Ford Mustang MachE “California Route 1” 18” Black Alloy Aero Wheel and Cover


    Moving onto the all-glass panoramic roof, this feature adds a lot of luxury experience. It is coated with infrared protection the keeps the interior cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter. In addition, an inner layer between the glass helps protect against UV rays. I am a fan of panoramic roofs for the luxury addition quotient but I also like to have a full-length shade like our Sonata Hybrid Limited to halt all sunshine intrusion when I feel I have had enough. While driving around in 78-to-85-degree F temps for a few hours, I did not feel the need to close up anything and I am not exactly sure why? Ford’s UV coating really works while creating a diffuse lightening of the interior yet shaded enough to not cast a shadow. Someone was thinking about this for a good long while to make it work as advertised without having to incorporate the additional cost of a full sunshade. I liked the open and airy feeling without the harshness of direct sunlight adds that most roofs allow through. I know Marian would like it as well.

    2021 Ford Mustang MachE “California Route 1” Full Panoramic Roof

    An unexpected surprise as I thought I was not going to like the lack of a sunshade.​

    Moving to the working interior bits, there is a lot to like and a few things to shake your head at. Whether driving the B&O Audio equipped Premium or the more basic California Highway Route 1, the interior looks and feels very upscale. Starting with the seats, the lower seat cushions are still too short but they incorporate soft foam and with a bit of adjustment, I found my comfortable driving position. The wheel reach and seat track travel will make the MachE a comfortable daily driver no matter if you are 6’-5” or 5’-2”. Ford does a good job of driving ergonomics and they did not misstep here either.

    The B&O equipped dashes are of a woven cloth like feel. Another positive imho.


    And then we have the 10.2” digital cluster and 15.5” portrait embedded central displays. Both have clean graphics, fast interactions, and are reasonably intuitive plus configurable. With Wireless Android Auto and Apple CarPlay, I synched my Galaxy S20 FE in seconds and I was running Google Maps, Pandora, and displaying/replying to text messages, all by voice. As you use a function more often than any other, that widget moves to a prominent section on the central display for easy touch screen access going forward. The lesser used functions will slide behind the 4 or 5 you use most often as they should. Good stuff indeed although I need more time to truly experience the all-new Sync 4A system and B&O audio.

    The one item I wish Ford did not pursue was the use of a TomTom back end vs Garmin or native Google Maps for charging station locations and route planning. You can setup routes, check on the status of the vehicle and even remotely control some functions but … If you remotely setup a route from San Diego to San Francisco as an example, you will do that on your phone or PC and send it to the car. The problem being it is only useable in the TomTom back end with charging stations in the Ford Network which is not tied to Google in any way, shape or form. In other words, you are setting up a route including charging station locations along the route in TomTom and TomTom actually kind of sucks by comparison to Google Maps or a simple Garmin GUI.

    The workaround? Complete your route planning through Android Auto or Apple CarPlay in the car via voice with Google Maps leading your way including upcoming charging station locations. I do not know if you can explicitly request a Ford Network charging station (Electrify America for example) via Google but you will be on your way without having to deal with a completely separate and not so great app guiding you from A to B.

    All that aside, I was hesitant on the 15.5” portrait being anything but overwhelming but like Tesla, you get used to it and having a full screen Google Map at your beck and call is amazing!

    And what about that 101-cu. ft. of passenger volume? It is all there. If you look up at some of the profile pics, the blacked out floating roof is actually not just an ornamental design addition but is actually metal passenger cage structure underneath with more headroom than that found in a Model Y.

    Rear seat leg room is about std. for the class with approximately 1.5” of knee room before impinging on the rear seats with the frons adjusted for my 6+’ frame. I would give the Model Y the edge on this with another 2” of space. The Model 3s rear seat leg room is a BMW like mess with the inability for any reasonable tall person sitting up front giving any rear seat passenger even a small child’s amount of knee/leg room.


    Moving onto the straight-line and sweeper everyday performance, there was a little autocross setup. The 4.8 sec. to 60 in the AWD variants is real. It accelerates like all electrics, damn hard launch and linear up to the insane. In the real world, few will find much use for anything under 10-seconds but I digress… With a close to 50/50 weight distribution, it can be tossed into corners without much thought despite its 4,400 to 4,900 lb mass. It rides flat and will provide pony car owners an all-new experience. As in better road holding and quicker corner to corner rush. All without an exhaust note.

    The huge discs (18: ventilated up front and 17” solids out back) will pull the mass down from triple digits damn quick. The GT receives even larger 19’ F&R and probably needs it given what some drivers will find themselves in over their heads in one hell of a hurry.

    On the safety front, the 2021 Ford Mustang MachE from the base Select to the GT performance includes it all.

    The standard Ford Co-Pilot360 2.0 includes:
    • Auto High-Beam Headlamps
    • BLIS (Blind Spot Information System) with Rear Cross-Traffic Alert (RCTA)
    • Lane-Keeping Assist
    • Pre-Collision Assist with Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB)
    • Post-Collision Braking
    • Rear View Camera
    • Reverse Brake Assist
    • Reverse Sensing System

    Ford Co-Pilot360 Assist 2.0 including:
    • Intelligent Adaptive Cruise Control with Stop-and-Go
    • Lane Centering
    • Speed Sign Recognition
    • Intersection Assist
    • Evasive Steering Assist
    • Connected Built-in Navi
    I used the RCC for the 65 mph Steady States but was not on it long enough to provide an opinion on its interaction with much traffic ahead or those that merge into the MachE’s path. The second part of that equation is where all OEMs have not yet sorted out the patch intrusion programming and I am looking forward to see how far Ford has come with it. These attributes will take a few days behind the wheel.

    While these vehicles were probably late prototypes, I did find there was an undulation between Regen and the mechanicals in any slower speed stop. I am not sure if it was early prototype programing or the Ford tuners did not have a handle on how many of us are absolutely soft on the accelerator and braking action and it may have been a misstep? I will need more than an hour in a final production model to see if this slightly odd slow deceleration pitch feel was subdued.

    2021 Ford Mustang MachE


    As my final writeup for 2020, the 2021 Ford Mustang MachE has more than lived up to its billing as both Ford’s ,ost significant release and as a Tesla slayer. Not the entire model lineup mind you but against the Y and especially the 3, the MachE will surely prove itself to be more reliable, is much better looking, offers more personality and practical usability, and a lower price. While it will not quite match the straight-line corner to corner blast or even the total range, it is close enough for most. When the GT Performance with the big rear motor also powering the front wheels arrives this summer, it will go toe to toe on the performance front although at the sacrifice of the ever-critical range spec.

    With the 300-mile AER RWD Ford Mustang MachE Premium trim starting at $43k + TTL after all the Fed and State deals here in California, I would much rather own and drive it over the 326-mile AER AWD $50k Tesla Model Y for the appearance alone. The reliability, more usable display(s), and World Record level of real-world short charging times and range are simply bonuses.

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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And a little 2021 Ford Mustang MachE fun for the Holidays!

    Chevy Chase and Beverly D'Angelo duplicate their National Lampoon’s Christmas Vacation roles as CLARK and ELLEN GRISWOLD in an updated take on one of the 1989 holiday classic’s most iconic scenes – starring the 2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E.

    "It's a Beaut Clark!"

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  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    2 posts up and it is pretty much a wrap. Now I just need a few weeks vs a few hours with one. A Premium trim with the California Route 1 18" black alloys and covers would work nicely indeed. ;)


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  9. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    Pretty impressive. Checks all the boxes for good cargo space with small exterior dimensions, not to mention excellent energy economy. Times are a-changin' fast.

    Are Ford infotainment systems still ridiculously overdesigned, with menus too many levels deep and too much essential stuff (like, you know, adjusting the HVAC) requiring you to change modes? Almost went off the road in a rented Fusion Titanium a year ago, just trying to adjust where the airflow was directed. Stupid and should be illegal for basic functions to require wading through menus, especially with touchscreens that take our eyes off the road for split-seconds longer than physical buttons, at least when the target zone on the screen is only half an inch tall. Really, designing electronics that are safe to use while driving is not complicated and needs to be a higher priority - and not just at Ford.

    Not that I have the need for it, but that's quite a premium for the AWD versions. I gather from the specs that AWD is achieved through a separate motor, and not a driveshaft as on the new Escape and CR-V hybrids.
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  10. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    One of Tesla's remaining advantages seems to be the Supercharger network. It seems to be more extensive (and possibly more reliable?) than the Electrify America network, but that may change over time as other manufacturers start producing more EVs.
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Mike:

    Not only is the Supercharger Network a multiplier, Tesla continues to expand its footprint around the country with more chargers spread to provide a true country wide network, not just an across the country one. Tesla continues to upgrade existing stations to V3 variants with a 250 kW output as well.

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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    2021 Ford Mustang MachE


    The winner of the 2021 North American Utility Vehicle of the Year was revealed earlier today and with little doubt, the 2021 Ford Mustang MachE topped its segment.

    After hundreds of hours of drives and evaluation, NACTOY’s jurors voted for the Ford Mustang Mach-E as North American Utility Vehicle of the Year.

    Jurors began the 2021 evaluation process with 43 eligible vehicles before narrowing them down to 27 semifinalists and then nine finalists through two rounds of voting.

    To determine the winners, jurors voted on the nine finalists in 3 segments - Car, Truck, and Utility, based on segment leadership, innovation, design, safety, handling, driver satisfaction and value for the dollar.

    As stated early on in the introductory posts regarding the Mustang MachE, it was thought to be sacrilege to place the Mustang moniker on not just a utility vehicle, but a battery electric Utility vehicle! Jurors said Ford’s decision to take the risk paid off.

    An excellent platform design with ideal performance and incredible efficiency. Adding to its accolades, its interior will wow future millennial buyers for years to come.

    Congratulations Ford, this award was well deserved.

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  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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    "Built Ford Tough" Testing Reveals the Mustang Mach-E Stands Up to the Worst a Customer Can Throw At It

    Ford put its first all-electric through similar torture testing subjected to its Ford Pickups to help ensure Mustang Mach-E can handle the wear and tear of daily driving, extreme car washes and power sprayers, robotic butts, and sharp gravel roads.

    2022 Ford Mustang Mach-E

    300-miles on this...​

    Wash at will

    Nearly 27 percent of Americans are unsure if electric vehicles can get wet while being driven in the rain – much less be able to go through a full car wash. The team at Ford's Proving Grounds used its onsite automatic car wash to show that the Mach-E not only can get thoroughly wet, but the exterior stands up to the abuse of consumer washes. Ford subjected the vehicle to 60 passes through a brutal, suds-free automatic conveyor wash complete with sprayers, brushes, and dryers – the equivalent of a wash every two weeks for more than two years. Mustang Mach-E can also be easily shifted into neutral, allowing ease of use for a washer conveyor.

    To help test against leaks and other exterior damage that could be caused by water, the team blasted the door frames, trim, cowling, badges, headlamps, taillamps and adhesives of the Mustang Mach-E with a high-pressure water sprayer, capable of pressures up to 1,700 PSI and a temperature of 140 degrees and sprayed at a short distance of about one foot away.


    Ford tested for just about anything customers might subject their seats to – especially their derrieres. Ford engineers studied varying weight loads on the seats using a wide range of human body types by programing a robotic “butt” form to simulate a person getting in and out of their Mustang Mach-E – at least 25,000 times.

    They also extensively tested the vehicle’s ActiveX seating material to withstand daily use and abuse. This included chemical testing to help ensure products like hand sanitizer do not deteriorate the material, abrasion testing to ensure the finish stays put after simulating a 10-year use cycle, and flexing the seating material 100,000 times to assess its resistance to cracking.

    The robot butt testing allows customers’ to be assured that their ActiveX seating material in the Mustang Mach-E can withstand daily use.

    Built tough for daily use

    A cracked phone screen is never fun, but a cracked touchscreen – especially one with as much functionality as the screen in the Mustang Mach-E — is unacceptable. The 15.5-inch touch screen in the 2021 Mustang Mach-E uses a special application of Dragontrail™ glass to ensure its durability. It sits on top of a high-strength magnesium mounting that is able to withstand being pulled or bumped.

    No stone left unturned

    Mustang Mach-E customers can be confident that they can drive their pony where the pavement ends and gravel roads begin, and not come back with a new “speckled” paint job.

    To do this, Ford engineers subjected Mustang Mach-E to 300 miles of stone-chip testing on gravel roads to evaluate damage caused to body paint by small rocks and cinder. Ford used two different grades of gravel stones to test as professional drivers fishtailed Mustang Mach-E over a miles-long stretch of scattered gravel on pavement at 60 mph nearly 200 times.

    Once the first test was completed, the team then switched out the gravel with an even sharper grade of stone and repeated the test all over again.
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  14. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Robots in my car seat!? Hope they didn’t leave any oil spots.
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    This is how prototypes are tested, not how production vehicles are. IHTHs?

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  16. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Ahh….that’s too bad. I thought I’d be able to order a Mach-E with a custom-ordered, molded seat via robot-power, specifically for my butt configuaration……….:p:rolleyes:

    PS…..Fooeyl I’ve discovered I can’t afford any of the good EVs!
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  17. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Cost aside, I figured you'd go for a good, used Tesla Model S with grandfathered, free Supercharger use. Nothing says you have to fully charge every time, so battery health can be managed.
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  18. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I wonder how long Tesla will offer that deal. They like to re-write the rules every few weeks.

    I'd still rather charge at home.

    I saw my first Mach E on the road yesterday. It looks like....
    an SUV , only a bit dumber.
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  19. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Cost is NEVER aside, except to rich people. Also, used EVs with “free” Supercharging are normally battery abused EVs, often owned by rich people. Yeah, “free” lifetime Supercharging is NOT FREE 400-500,000 mile charging, once you consider the abused, shortened battery life DUE TO “free” SUPERCHARGING.
    What the term “battery health can be managed” MEANS is that rich people can sell their abused EVs to someone poorer, BEFORE the battery pack fails.
    Bill, I know you know all the above & your post was in fun.:D:)
    I even think you knew what my reply was going to be.:rolleyes:
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  20. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    It was an aside only because I had not personally priced any. I just took a look at some 2012 vintage Model S with low miles and they'll cost less than a new Model 3 today. So, that makes it relevant or feasible. As for battery degradation, barring outright failure, the battery continues to retain some level of charge so a large battery still holds a lot of capacity even after years of abuse. Low mileage abused EVs would still hold a lot of EV range and likely a long life.

    I do personally prefer new vehicles and would rather drive a new Model 3 than an old Model S, even if the latter could save a few dollars. I think you can use DC charging intelligently and not compromise your EV's battery longevity. Wayne got me thinking about cost of fast charging and it turns out you CAN get fast charging that costs less per kWh than you can get with paid L2 charging or charging at home where my cost is $0.26/kWh. For now, I won't go into it, but I looked at the costs locally where per minute DC charging is the norm and it is possible to purchase DC charging for less. The biggest problem is the current, initial cost of a high-speed charging capable EV.

    I'm fine with slow charging (at home) with normal, around town driving and within the driving radius of a given EV's battery capacity. However, if I have to live with 1 car, I will need that car to be interstate, cross-country capable even if it is only going 600 miles rather than 3000. DC charging becomes a necessity if you don't have all the time in the world. I value my time and will continue to even after I retire in a few years.
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