A Tesla Killer Enters the Fray – It is Called Ford Mustang Mach-E

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] A 98.8 kWh traction battery provides 300+ miles of all-electric goodness.

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – November 17, 2019

    Ford’s All-new All-electric!


    Los Angeles, California – A breakthrough vehicle from an American manufacturer has been introduced just days before the official LA Auto Show opens its doors. Instead of a large displacement supercharged big block placed in a “Pony car” platform, this one is an all-electric super car destined to take on the current all-electric leader. That being Tesla. And who is it from? Well I’ll be, it’s Ford!

    Tesla has for years provided great performance and chart topping all-electric range but its exterior looks and interior feel are as sterile as an operating room. Ford’s all-new Mustang Mach-E was designed from the ground up to not just compete in this new era of electric mobility but to change the very nature of the all-electric car. It is being built to provide a hair-raising experience from first look to the last mile.

    2021 Mustang Mach-E

    The Mustang Mach-E is an all-new, all-electric, SUV designed to provide the same bold spirit from which its iconic nameplate was some 55-years ago.
    Continuing with the historic angle, Ford stated the Mach-E was developed in a century-old brick building a few blocks away from Henry Ford’s first factory in Detroit.

    Slated to arrive in late 2020, the Mustang Mach-E will be available with 2-traction battery sizes, standard and extended-range in either a RWD or AWD configuration powered by permanent magnet motors. Like all electric AWD systems, each wheel can be driven independently of the other. The long range RWD variant is said to arrive with an EPA-estimated range of at least 300 miles.

    Ford also will offer two performance versions. The Mach-E GT is targeting 0-60 mph in under 4 seconds while the GT Performance should hit the mark in the mid 3-second range both with 459 hp and 612 lb.-ft. of torque.

    A limited First Edition extended-range AWD with red brake calipers, metallic pedal covers, contrasting seat stitching and a scuff plate marked First Edition.


    The Mach-E will be available with Brembo’s Flexira performance aluminum calipers. The GT Performance will include adaptive suspension.

    Three unique drive experiences will be offered that Ford calls Whisper, Engage and Unbridled.

    The Mach-E will be the first production vehicle to be tuned by the Ford Performance team utilizing Ford’s racing simulator in North Carolina.

    2021 Ford Mach-E Exterior Design

    The Mach-E is all Mustang with a similar rear haunch design and trademark tri-bar taillamps.

    Under the hood is a drainable front trunk w/ 4.8 cu. ft. of storage space.

    2021 Ford Mach-E Interior Design

    With the excess space provided by electrification, Ford designed the 5-passenger SUV-with 29 cu. ft. of rear cargo volume. With the rear seats down, that volume expands to 59.6 cu. ft. A floating flip-up armrest doubles as a place to store purses or bags.

    An available panoramic fixed-glass roof has a special glass coating with infrared protection that helps the interior stay cool in the summer and warm in the winter. In addition, an inner layer between the glass helps protect against UV rays.

    To boot up and go, all you need is your smartphone. Using Bluetooth, the Mach-E can unlock the Mach-E and allowing you to drive away without use of a Key Fob. A backup code can be entered on the center touch screen to start and drive the vehicle in the event a phone battery dies.


    2021 Ford Mach-E Drivetrain and Charging

    The Mustang Mach-E will be available in both standard-range (75.7 kWh, 288 module Li-Ion battery) and extended-range (98.8 kWh, 376 module Li-Ion battery), with an EPA-estimated range of at least 300 miles in RWD configuration. Like the Tesla, the Mach-Es battery is located on the floor between the vehicle’s two axles – and tested at temperatures to minus 40 degrees F. The liquid cooled batteries are secured inside a waterproof case surrounded by crash-absorption protection.

    A Ford Connected Level2 240V Charging station can add an estimated 32 miles per hour on the extended-range, RWD model. It can also be charged at up to 150 kW on an SAE CCS DC charger which can add an estimated 47 miles of range in approximately 10 minutes.

    The Ford mobile charger can add ~ 22 miles per hour on a 240V home outlet. The standard-range Mustang Mach-E is estimated to charge from 10 percent to 80 percent in approximately 38 minutes while charging on a DC fast charging station. The FordPass Charging Network which includes the Electrify America network includes DC fast chargers.

    The NAVI will identify up-to-date public charging locations during trips and prompt owners to charge at the most convenient points along your drive.

    2021 Ford Mach-E Infotainment

    The Mach-E will be the test bed for Ford’s next-generation SYNC that uses machine learning to quickly learn divers’ preferences with over-the-air updates. The 15.5” screen uses touch, swipe and pinch controls just like a smartphone.

    The Premium available B&O speakers are seamlessly integrated across the front dash above the air vents like a sound bar.

    Not a fan of the large 15.5" portrait display layout.​

    Oh boy. :D
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Tesla's Elon Musk sent out a congratulatory tweet to Ford for their reveal.


    Good for both of them!

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  3. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Only a 300 mile range on 100 kWh of battery??

    Does this mean Ford (like Audi) is seriously "capping"* the battery -- most likely for battery longevity?

    /*as Tesla appears to be, .. but retroactively with software "updates"
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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Carcus:

    I can almost guarantee that Ford's Mach-E will only be able to access 80 to 85 kWh of that large packs power.

    I thought the most interesting item is that Ford has copied Tesla's floor mounted pack. That means this platform is all-new and surely they, Ford, will be building other BEVs off of it in short order.

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  5. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    When did "at least" become "only"?
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  6. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    How about "up to" ? Is "up to" better?

    EPA-estimated All-Electric Range of up to 480 km*Based on full charge when configured with optional Extended range battery and RWD. Actual range varies with conditions such as external elements, driving behaviors, vehicle maintenance, and lithium ion battery age. Final EPA-estimated ratings available in the 2020 calendar year.

    Whether you’re looking for capability, roominess or pure torque-drenched exhilaration, the future of Ford electric mobility means something for everyone. The latest out of the gate? The all-new Mustang Mach-E, a fully electric performance utility vehicle, features a targeted EPA-estimated range of at least 480 kilometers.*Based on full charge when configured with optional Extended range battery and RWD. Actual range varies with conditions such as external elements, driving behaviors, vehicle maintenance, and lithium ion battery age. Final EPA-estimated ratings available in the 2020 calendar year.

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  7. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    It's fine. Though is Ford Canada always more pessimistic?

    This is the important part.
    Final EPA-estimated ratings available in the 2020 calendar year.
    While Ford's past behavior with MPG ratings has lowered my expectations for actual, I am not familiar with how well the Energi's EPA EV range stands up.

    I don't expect the Mach-E to match Tesla or Hyundai in efficiency, but I do expect it to do better than the i Pace. The permanent magnet motor on the front axle has me concerned for the AWD.
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  8. priusCpilot

    priusCpilot George

    I wounder if it will tow and if so do at least 5000+lbs?
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  9. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    I think the Mustang Mach E is a very significant, and it shows a very important change in the way Ford is doing business.

    They have not scrimped on this vehicle - it has 10kW Level 2 charging, and 130-150kW DC quick charging. It is an all new platform, and it is a big investment. Ford is all in on electric vehicles.
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  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Ford's next generation of SYNC within the upcoming all-new Mach-E.

  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Within the launch presentation, Ford stated they will be providing a Level2 Home charger. I am not sure if it is a 3.3, 6.6, or 10 kW unit or if that includes install. I doubt it will include install.

    2021 Ford Mach-E Pricing - $7,500 Fed Tax Credit brings all of these prices down if the buyer qualifies.

    RWD "SELECT" trim w/ 18" or Opt. 19" wheels
    MSRP Starts at $42,895
    Estimated EPA range: 230 miles
    0 to 60: Mid 5.2 seconds

    RWD "PREMIUM" w/ 19" wheels
    MSRP Starts at $47,000/$52,000
    Estimated EPA range: 230/300 miles
    0 to 60: 4.8 seconds

    RWD "CALIFORNIA ROUTE 1" w/ 18" wheels
    MSRP Starts at $49,800
    Estimated EPA range: 300 miles
    0 to 60: 6.1 seconds

    AWD "GT" w/ 20" wheels
    MSRP Starts at $60,500
    Estimated EPA range: 250 miles
    0 to 60: 3.8-seconds

    AWD "FIRST EDITION" w/ 19" wheels
    MSRP Starts at $58,300
    Estimated EPA range: 270 miles
    0 to 60: 4.8-seconds

    2021 Ford Mustang Mach-E On-Line Reservation FAQs

    What is a reservation?

    The reservation is the opportunity for customers to configure and be among one of the first to order the Ford Mustang Mach-E all-electric SUV with a $500 refundable Reservation Deposit. It is not an actual order and does not guarantee delivery.1

    What steps are required to complete my reservation?

    Go online and select your preferred configuration of the Mustang Mach-E, create a Ford account, select your preferred EV certified Ford Dealer, and enter your credit/debit card details and address. A confirmation receipt will be sent to the email address provided by you.1

    What is a Ford Account and why do I need one?

    A Ford Account lets you sign in to the Ford website to save and manage your personal and reservation information. You need to create a Ford Account to pre-order the new Mustang Mach-E. Reservations can be tracked in your Ford Account at owner.ford.com/1

    Can I select any Ford dealer?

    Only Ford EV certified dealers are able to order and sell the Mustang Mach-E. The eligible EV certified dealers will be provided based on your ZIP code, or you can enter the name of your favorite Ford dealer and will be matched to them provided they are EV certified.

    Can I make changes to my reservation?

    You will be able to make changes and finalize your configuration at the time you place your order.1

    Can I cancel my reservation?

    Yes. You can cancel your reservation anytime and receive a full refund.1 You can do this in your account at www.ford.com/. If for some reason, you cannot process the cancellation on-line you can contact a Ford Customer Experience Representative at 800-392-3673 (Ford U.S.). Upon cancelling, allow 7-10 business days for the $500 Reservation Deposit to be credited to your original form of payment.

    When can I order my Mustang Mach-E?

    You will be notified prior to the ordering window opening to finalize and confirm your configuration, confirm your dealer and agree on pricing with your dealer. Tentative ordering should begin in late spring 2020.

    What happens to the Reservation Deposit if I order a Mustang Mach-E model?

    The Reservation Deposit will be refunded back to your original form of payment within 7-10 business days after your dealer confirms your order.1

    When will I take delivery of my vehicle?

    Actual delivery times may vary based on vehicle model and configuration selected, residency & demand. Deliveries are expected to begin in late 2020. Once your vehicle is scheduled, you will receive further notification.

    Am I buying this vehicle directly from Ford?

    No. The Purchase Agreement shall be between you and the Dealer, not you and Ford. Your Reservation Deposit will not be applied towards the purchase price of the Vehicle. Instead, once you have entered into a Purchase Agreement, your Reservation Deposit will be returned to you.

    How many reservations can I make and can I transfer my reservation?

    Up to two reservations per account. Your reservation number is assigned to you and cannot be transferred.1

    Will you share my reservation information with my dealer?

    Your reservation information will be shared with the dealer you select at the time of reservation.

  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    2021 Ford Mustang - Behind the Scenes

  13. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I am NOT a Mustang "purist" , but this is just silly-looking , and will surely anger the few "car" customers Ford still has.
    Seems like all the car manufacturers are in a race to see who goes out of business the fastest. Or who gets government bail-outs first.
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  14. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    the original "pure" mustang (1964 1/2) sold for $2,368.00 ($19,394 today). 303,408 were built the first year.

    The 1964 mustang could travel about 300 miles on a tank (a little less if you bought the V8) and refuel in 5 minutes. Fuel price was about $0.30/gallon ($2.44 today).

    in 1964 all kinds of independent (as well as Ford) shops could repair/replace anything on your car , or you could do it yourself -- for a reasonable price

    Nowadays .. Ford doesn't want to sell you anything for less than $50,000. And they are doing their best to kill off any independent shops. (or home shade-treeing for that matter).

    What the hell happened?
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2019
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  15. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    The original Mustang was a rebodied Falcon, and it was a fairly lousy car. They were death traps - did they even have optional seat belts? The performance was weak - handling and brakes and tires were terrible.

    The Mach-E is light years ahead in every way - energy efficiency, performance, safety - other than that; they are almost the same!
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  16. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I might be an idiot , but I think the current Mustang (2.3 turbo) is a pretty good substitute for
    a 3-series BMW. Not quite the same animal , but faster and cheaper. And it doesn't look as goofy as
    Camaro or Challenger. And I don't really care WHAT Ford wants to call this "thing" , it will never be in
    my garage.
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    While not a performance aficionado by any means, the Mustang owners are on balance pissed. I have entered their realm a few times on FB with the following:

    The Mustang has been purchased by just 55k customers YTD, down 10 percent from last year and down forever over the years since the 64 introduction. Unless you purists want to buy a lot of Mustangs, Ford has to do something to move the sales bar or it is going down. This may or may not be your optimal vehicle but they are trying.

    Personally I am a fan of the Mach-E. It is the first Ford CUV I have been really excited about since the original Escape Hybrid and the 2020 that is coming early next month. I mean 300+ miles of range from an all-electric is ground breaking imho. I bet it will handle better than any Mustang ever released by Ford given the 1,000 lb pack is placed below the CG instead of above it like most HEVs.

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  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The Mustang purists on Social Media are enraged with hundreds of posts deriding Ford for naming their All-electric SUV a Mustang.

    Another of my thoughts posted in the Hornets Nest. :)

    Thank you Ford. With internal combustion engine Mustangs sales waning due to the lack of fan purchases, this is the start of a whole new generation of Mustang buyer.

    It will finally handle well, will tar and feather the Mustangs of the past from any launch, and does so in a ***k you sort of way. All the while providing a uniquely serene driving experience that the future of the automobile promises.

    Thank you Ford for bringing this super car to the forefront. And for branding it as it should be branded. Naysayers will find out for themselves what raw electric power will do and it will scare them into acceptance in short order.

    Welcome to the future boys and girls.

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  19. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I just noticed the headline. "Tesla Killer " ? Really ? Who thinks this is true ?
    I'm all for electric cars. But this ain't a car.
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  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    HI Edwin:

    I could call it a Tesla imitator but I do not think it has the same punch. ;)

    This is the first all-electric outside of Tesla with both 300+ miles of range and blistering 0 to 60 times to make the performance spec Nazis happy.

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