AL Judge Roy Moore

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  1. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Lighten up , Francis.
     
    EdwinTheMagnificent, Nov 18, 2017
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jud:

    No one ever said it was ok for one adult to forcefully kiss another adult but you. Adding, molesting a 14 year old plus attempted rape of a 16 year old by a 32 year old DA is ok? That is what is really sick? You cannot come to terms with a 32 year old man feeling up a 14 year old and attempting to rape a 16 year old. Their is a real problem with equating the two Jud. Even prisoners know the difference as Roy Moore would be put to death by inmates for that. What do inmates of prisons know that you do not?

    Wayne
     
    xcel, Nov 19, 2017
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  3. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    Now wait. I never implied any such thing as "forcefully kissing another adult is ok". Go back and read through the thread. I never said or implied anything like that. I expect you to retract that and apologize.

    I am trying to hold a civil debate and that is uncalled for. I did not attack you. Why are you attacking me. I expect an apology.

    In fact I condem Roy Moore's behavior if it is true. At this point, I think he should withdraw from the Senate race. Face his accusers. Pay for his actions if true. However I also think that if it is not proven, and the accusation are false, the accusers should be punished. Remember the Duke Lacrosse case. The false accusations went unpunished.

    Now, I call on you to condem Al Franken. The sexual abuse of Leamm Teeden is documented with a photograph. What he did is not just a joke. It is not just attempt at comedy. It is an abuse of a woman. Not only an accusation, but there is evidence to back up the claim. Imagine the humiliation, shame and lack of trust that Al Fraken put on that women in the photograph. She never will feel the same. It has affected her for a long time (that is her feelings see link below). That is why it is not a joke. Leean Tweeden wrote "...using comedy as a guise for sexual harassment is “never funny” and hopes her experience will help change the national discourse on the issue." http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/al-f...-tweeden-stayed-quiet-angry/story?id=51218706

    So will you condem all abusers of women or just Republicans.

    I condem them all Democrate and Republican abuse of women if proven.
     
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    bestmapman, Nov 19, 2017
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  4. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    Basically, those on the left should stop casting all who are on the right as evil. Those on the right should pause for a minute before they defend someone simply because that person carries their label. Be cynical of media and political elites, but be civil to your neighbor. The big-picture problem lies in Washington's ability to turn us on each other, letting Rome burn as they ponder the next election and drag us along into the inferno.
     
    jcp123, Nov 19, 2017
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jud:
    Did you retract that?
    All child molestation cases, 16 year old attempted rape accusations, DAs banned from malls for being a child predator, and dating teens by a 32 year old no matter how bad is ok without a photograph? Where is the retraction?
    Let me know where I said that? Another retraction is due here too.

    The final is what we both agree on.

    Your premise that accusations by 50 people, most of them Trump voters, are just child molestation and attempted rape "accusations" against a current Judge trying to take on a Senate seat is far different than one current Senator making an inappropriate advance and kissing another non-consenting adult and admitting to it.

    There is assault, and than their is sexual assault and attempted rape against a minor and a 16 year old. You apparently accept that a Child Molester and attempted rape of a 16 year old is the same as someone who is shown with his hands inches from another females body and in front of a camera smiling back at the camera for a USO show. As said before, even a Prison inmate knows the difference. I hope you discover the difference before it happens to someone in your family.

    If a 32 yr old DA named Judge Moore was molesting one of your children when they were 14 and you put a bullet through both sides of his skull, I am pretty sure you would get off. If you did the same for someone that did what Al Franken did, you would be going to prison for a lengthy spell. Even the law knows the difference.

    Moving on, does a leader take responsibility or shrugs it? We have a President and a Judge saying others are liars for saying they were assaulted by the two. We have a seated Senator admitting and apologizing for kissing a female without consent. Who is the responsible leader? Place all three hands on the Bible and see the Alabama Judge and current President sentence themselves to hell for all the world to see.

    You did not see these as plastered over every major network in the nation just over a year ago?


    Interesting that this Judge and the POTUS are lying about the same thing and you think that is ok? Where is your condemnation against either above? The statue of limitations is over for the Judge. There will be no trial, settlement, or justice despite 50 people in the case of the judge coming forward describing this pricks actions and you know it. Does having a females pussy grabbed by the POTUS before becoming the POTUS ok in your eyes too? Yet you would vote for either of these two despicable humans because of theirs and your party affiliation? Low moral character is just the beginning of that description.

    All the while the current POTUS has not condemned Mr. Moore's actions, sued his accusers and neither has the AL judge.

    JCP, a 32 year old AL DA attempting rape against a 16 year old and molesting a 14-year old have little to do with Washington. The seated Governor of AL stating she has no reason not to believe the accusers yet will vote for this jerk because he is a Republican is an Alabama issue. WTH is the matter with the Republican Party leadership down there? Let Sessions or Strange somehow get back in. Not this child molester.

    Wayne
     
    xcel, Nov 19, 2017
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  6. DaveJ

    DaveJ Well-Known Member

    Wayne,
    I've been following this thread, and the number of accusers you keep saying as 50. On the NBC morning shows, they tell a much smaller number. Just curious where you get the 50 number from, as when I search, I can't fine that high a number. And NBC usually reports as bad as they can find against Repubs.
    Dave
     
    DaveJ, Nov 19, 2017
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  7. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    So much for civil discourse.

    I will retract my statement concerning you. but I still haven't heard you condem Al Franken are you going to do that. You keep comparing what he did to what others did. Can you look at his behavior alone and condem it.

    I condem all harassers if it is true. Trump, Moore, Franken and others.

    Will you condem Fraken or stand behind the it was just about comedy.
     
    bestmapman, Nov 19, 2017
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  8. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    This kind of behavior is unacceptable and has nothing to do with left / right / democrat / republican. All of that should be irrelevant, yet politics seems to work its way into far more discussions than it should.
     
    seftonm, Nov 19, 2017
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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jud:

    Thank you for retracting that BS!

    I said Al Franken should be held accountable and the woman is not pressing charges so he is. All the while he is under investigation that he asked for! Where is Judge Moore standing up and taking account for his child molestation, attempted rape, and sexual misconduct?

    I am still waiting for leaders to lead all the while a large percentage of the American populace voted for the present POTUS that has been accused of sexual assault by 16 woman. Would you vote for Moore if you were an AL resident or the POTUS as a KY resident today?

    Dave, 50 is not the number of accusers, it is the number of sources backing the stories. There are 5 accusers now. The Washington Post journalists used 30 sources for the first story almost 6-weeks ago. Since than, I have heard the 50+ bantered about on TV as another 20+ have come forward and stated similar incidents including a few that actually worked at the Mall at the time.

    Wayne
     
    xcel, Nov 19, 2017
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  10. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    So no retraction or apology. OK got it.
     
    bestmapman, Nov 20, 2017
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  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jud:

    Retract and apologize for what?

    Would you vote for this child molester if he were in your state? Sounds like it because they are only allegations?

    Wayne
     
    xcel, Nov 20, 2017
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  12. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    See post #23
     
    bestmapman, Nov 20, 2017
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  13. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jud:

    Your answer to post #31?

    Wayne
     
    xcel, Nov 20, 2017
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  14. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    Making a false statement about what I said.
    I will have to detail it out for you. You said in post #23 "No one ever said it was ok for one adult to forcefully kiss another adult but you". I never said that. Never implied it.
    Do you see that now.
     
    bestmapman, Nov 20, 2017
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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jud:
    Now for answer to #31 so I know where you stand based on your actions to Sexual Assault?
    Never said or implied it Jud, you said it. Al is going down on his own account. In the mean time, Judge Moore and the POTUS are ok, not ok, evil, or godly in your eyes? Your vote states what you think, not what you say.

    Wayne
     
    xcel, Nov 20, 2017
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  16. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    Wayne I just don't get you logic here. You attribute something to me that was false and then when called on it won't retract it. Why not it is just common decency.

    As to the above. First of all what vote are you talking about.

    Maybe you think I voted for Trump. I will spell it out for you.
    Trump: He is a unworthy of the office. Dishonest greedy businessman with no morals. I did not and will not vote for him.
    Hillary: (Only mentioned because she ran) Dishonest greedy politician with no morals. I did not and will not vote for her.

    My positions on the following:
    Roy Moore: Accused of some heinous crimes. Should not run for the senate until resolved. Whoever has done wrong here should be punished.
    Al Franken: Guilty of groping at least one woman and now other accusers have come forward. He should resign immediatily and face justice.

    Now I have layed out my positions, what are yours. It doesn't seem like you are condeming Franken. Will you? Did you vote for Trump, Hillary?
     
    bestmapman, Nov 20, 2017
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  17. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    Note: in the above post I said of Al Franken, "should face justice". That's right justice. The victim does not have to "press charges". When a crime has been commited it is not up to the victim to determine if the perpetrator should be prosecuted. Depending on the jurisiction, the prosecutor makes the determination to pursue or not to pursue a criminal case. The victim is a witness. If the victim files a complaint (pressing charges) that is part of the evidence.

    In Franken's case there is evidence. Clearly a crime has been commited. As verified by the victim. Prosecution is surely warranted. That is why above I say "He should resign immediately and face
    justice."
     
    bestmapman, Nov 20, 2017
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  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Jud:

    I agreed Al should face that. The first woman is not pressing charges and he not only came forward, he asked for an investigation on himself.

    Did you not read or see her interview(s) on numerous outlets?

    http://people.com/politics/leeann-tweeden-doesnt-want-al-franken-to-step-down/

    Regarding Al Moore, I have told you a few times that Statue of Limitations has run out so there will be no court case. This has nothing to do with an Alabama prosecutors choice.

    About the last election showing your actions, there were only three besides the small electorate candidates. Did you vote for Bernie? And what did Hillary have to do with Al Moore's Molestation of a 14-year old and attempted rape of a 16-year old?

    Wayne
     
    xcel, Nov 20, 2017
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  19. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Can we talk about Louis C. K. ? Or should I start another thread. I have a lot to say about him. And who here could possibly make THAT political ?
     
    EdwinTheMagnificent, Nov 20, 2017
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  20. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    Go ahead. I have no idea who Louis C. K. is, but I am sure I am about to find out. Oh, we will never make it political. LOL (That was a joke just like Al Franken) Oops, I made it political sorry.
     
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    bestmapman, Nov 20, 2017
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