2018 Tesla Model 3 - 210 mile "Standard" or 310 mile "Long Range"

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] 220-mile “Standard” for $35k or 310-mile “Long Range” AER for $44k.

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – July 28, 2017

    Tonight's 2018 Tesla Model 3 production intro from Fremont, Calif.


    Of the first 50 production built this month, 20 are for engineering evaluation and 30 production cars will be on the road with their new owners who drove them away tonight.

    Current production now includes the S, X, and 3.

    If you purchase a Model 3 today, you should be able to take delivery toward the end of next year. If you were to order a Model S or X today, you can expect to pick up your Tesla S or X in one to two months.

    2018 Tesla Model 3 Basic Specs
    • Standard trim ($35k) - 5.6 sec. to 60 mph w/ a 130 mph top speed
    • Long Range trim ($44k) - 5.1 sec. to 60 mph w/ a 140 mph top speed
    Length - 184.8”
    Width - 76.1” w/ mirrors folded 72.8”
    Track Front & Rear - 62.2”
    Ground Clearance - 5.5” Track
    Wheelbase - 113.2”

    Safety

    Automatic emergency braking and collision avoidance
    Eight airbags
    Electronic stability and traction control

    Convenience

    15″ touchscreen with onboard maps & navigation
    Wi-Fi and LTE internet connectivity
    Keyless entry and remote climate control with app
    Voice activated controls
    60/40 split folding rear seats

    Standard Interior

    15” touchscreen display
    Dual zone climate control system
    FM/Internet streaming radio
    Textile seating
    Center console with open storage and two USB ports

    Premium Upgrades

    Premium heated seating and cabin materials throughout, including open pore wood décor and two rear USBs, 12-way power adjustable front seats, steering column and side mirrors, with custom driver profiles, premium audio system with more power, tweeters, surround speakers and subwoofer, tinted glass roof with ultraviolet and infrared protection, auto dimming, power folding, heated side mirrors, LED fog lamps, center console with covered storage and docking for two smartphones

    Warranty

    4 year, 50,000 mile limited vehicle warranty
    8 year, 100,000 mile battery warranty (Standard)
    8 year, 120,000 mile battery warranty (Long Range)
     
    xcel, Jul 29, 2017
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  2. dr61

    dr61 Well-Known Member

    Estimated delivery to us in first quarter 2018 if all goes well...
     
    dr61, Jul 29, 2017
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  3. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Nicely equipped ... well above $50k. This will give BMW some trouble, but an affordable EV for the masses? ... Nope.
     
    Carcus, Jul 30, 2017
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  4. dr61

    dr61 Well-Known Member

    From day 1 the Model 3 was designed to be an EV alternative to BMW 3 series, Audi A4, Mercedes C-Class, Volvo S60 and similar. Tesla never described it as an affordable EV for the masses, whatever that means...
     
    dr61, Jul 30, 2017
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  5. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Tesla competes in the luxury car class. --Tesla is a luxury car brand. --There is no sign of that changing.

    Nor does it look like Tesla wants to sell anywhere but in the upper half of the luxury car segment. Tesla's target looks to be the top half of the luxury car market. (average luxury car purchase is $55,000+, luxury car sales account for about 10% of total sales)

    So, what I mean is, ... with 95% of the car buying public priced out of the picture, I don't think I'd use the word "affordable" to describe the car.

    /Wasn't the longterm goal of Tesla (as they worked through Roadster, S and X production) to get to an "affordable EV" with the model 3?
     
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  6. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    For Tesla, this IS down market. It's a top-10% car instead of a 1% car.
     
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  7. Carcus

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  8. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Around here, "normal" people are spending 50, 60, 70k on fancy trucks. It's not like the price is what keeps them out of a Tesla. Availability here in Texas is an issue, and the lack of Macho, which applies to Audi and BMW just as much.
     
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  9. Erdrick

    Erdrick Well-Known Member

    Day one (really minute 1) reservation holder here.

    I expect to see delivery Dec '17 if I go fully loaded, Feb '18 if I go base, or Sep '18 if I go dual motor.
    Being in Michigan, I'm currently looking at the dual motor, but will possibly change if the tax credit looks close to running out.
     
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  10. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Whatever image is desired (green chic or red dirt macho) if you're in over your head, it's still "stupid is as stupid does".

    New U.S. Subprime Boom, Same Old Sins: Auto Defaults Are Soaring
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-boom-same-old-sins-auto-defaults-are-soaring
     
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  11. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    IF Tesla ends up selling the $35,000 version (in volume) AND it turns out to have the same battery size as the 310 mile car (just restricted by software) , then the Model could be considered "affordable" .... imo.

    /time will tell, but that's not the direction Tesla has taken up to this point

    //edit: never mind, curb weights are listed, even if the battery capacities are not:
    • Curb weight:
      • 3549 lbs. (Model 3)
      • 3814 lbs. (Model 3 Long Range)
    /// While I'm wasting time: it looks like the usable Kwh might be about 56 kwh for the 220 mile car, and about 80 kwh for the 310 mile car. Based off of the given home charging rates. (feel free to check my math)

    Standard Battery

    • Range: 220 miles (EPA estimated)
    • Supercharging rate: 130 miles of range per 30 minutes
    • Home charging rate: 30 miles of range per hour (240V outlet, 32A)
    • Deliveries begin: Fall 2017
    Long Range Battery – $9,000

    • Range: 310 miles
    • Supercharging rate: 170 miles of range per 30 minutes
    • Home charging rate: 37 miles of range per hour (240V outlet, 40A)
    • 0-60 mph: 5.1 seconds
    • Top speed: 140 mph
    • Deliveries begin: July 2017
    https://electrek.co/2017/07/29/tesla-model-3-production-specs-revealed/
     
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  12. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    Going by the hint we got recently that the Model 3 averages 237Wh / mile, the battery pack capacities work out to be ~55kWh and 75kWh respectively.

    Cd is 0.23 - which is impressive; and definitely with the standard Aero wheels. Sport wheels add $1500 and increase the Cd (and cut the range, too).

    The acceleration to 60MPH is 5.5s and 5.1s respectively, and top speeds are 130MPH and 140MPH.

    Detailed specs here:

    https://electrek.co/2017/07/29/tesla-model-3-production-specs-revealed/

    First drive by Motor Trend, with pictures and video:

    http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-3/2018/exclusive-tesla-model-3-first-drive-review/
     
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  13. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    The MT article is estimating 60 kwh and 85 kwh. (total capacity, I presume)
     
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  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I have stated this in the past. What I am concerned with here is Tesla sucking in buyers that are reaching into a payment they can ill afford to take on. I saw a number of S purchasers that should have not taken on the payment but were caught up in the hype. Moving into the mid-30s to mid 50s range can grab even more. As Carcus and other have posted here numerous times, the loan extensions have gone to the ridiculous meaning people cannot afford what they are purchasing. The hype to get into a Model 3 will cause even more problems for those that will be reaching.

    The Model 3 is not the affordable BEV for the masses as its TCO will still be sky high by comparison to other standard compacts no matter how they are fueled. Compared to a BMW 3-Series or Audi A4, not so much.

    Onto another line of thinking and I posted quite a while ago, the Bolt is going to see heavy discounting...

    2017 Chevrolet Bolt Powertrain Details
    Wayne
     
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  15. dr61

    dr61 Well-Known Member

    I drove inexpensive used cars for years before I was in position to make a new cash purchase. I have purchased a great many cars over the years and have only once financed, and then for less than one year (incentive just worked out that way to be cheaper than cash). I don't see that Tesla is pushing financing any more or less than any other car maker. Too bad people don't think to save for car purchases rather than fall back on financing.

    Since we planned for this purchase (as we almost always do), in this case with almost two years notice, we will again pay cash - including proceeds from sale price of our 2012 Mini (already have potential buyers). The $7500 tax credit is just about guaranteed at this point due to the current numbers of Tesla deliveries in the US. I expect full tax credit through 2nd quarter 2018, 1/2 credit for remainder of the year.
     
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  16. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    There's going to a lot of disappointed buyers when they realize that $35K isn't going to cut it for a Tesla. I agree most of these cars are going to be in the $45K to $50K range when all is said and done. The dealers will list one at the $35K price and when you walk in it will be the old we just sold that car an hour age but we have a few at $40K plus.

    I remember going to the auto shows and seeing the Holden GTO's and the Pontiac people saying it's going to come in at $25K nicely equipped. Never ever saw one of these cars on a dealers showroom listed under $32K-$34K. It was all over in a few years when GM said there wasn't the demand needed, to justify continuing to import the car. Gee I wonder why?

    Once the rebates run out in less than a year I'm thinking Tesla is going to be in a world of hurt. Most of these cars wouldn't be on the road if it wasn't for the thousands in incentives from the Government on each car. We'll see but if I was betting man when those incentives dry up so will Tesla's sales.

    Depreciation is well in the Oh My God range of almost 27% over two years. That is the going sale price, when you figure in the trade in price it's probably closer to 33% -35% of the MSRP price.
     
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  17. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    I think it will be a great car. I bet you will enjoy it. ... and I very much hope Tesla succeeds.

    My concern is that there are a lot of reservation holders who may not be going in with eyes wide open. .... and although there is some optimism (over-optimism ?) about the battery life,. ...the fact is there is no guarantee beyond 8 years, and even the 8 years is subject to "normal degradation".
    Personally, I wouldn't count on anything past 8 years, and I'd be prepared to pay at least $200/kwh (all in) to replace the pack*

    *or if selling/trading in before the 8 year mark -- deal with the depreciation that will result from same
     
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  18. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    I'll go for the 20 year loan which will make it affordable to me. :p
     
    thunderstruck, Aug 1, 2017
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  19. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I don't actually believe that 400-500K people actually put down a $1000 deposit. I do , however , believe that automakers continually and habitually , always always ALWAYS lie to us , while smiling. I'm no longer offended by this , and I hope Tesla sells a LOT of these.
     
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  20. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    The base Model 3's are pretty impressively equipped. They are the most efficient cars sold in the US. The Model 3 is the lowest drag car sold in the US, and after the XL1 it is the lowest drag car sold in the world.

    They have access to the Supercharger network, which already has several routes coast to coast, and it will continue to be built.

    Tesla uses about 2/3rds US sourced parts - more than any other car. They are building up the renewable energy systems to eventually completely power their factories.
     
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