Honda’s All-new 10th Gen 2018 Accord Reveal and Preview

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Jul 14, 2017.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bill:

    Thank you! 54 percent HSS to reduce mass. I like the sound of that.

    Wayne
     
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  2. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    2018 Honda Accord 2.0T

    The all-new 2018 Honda Accord gets even more powerful and engaging with the launch of the Accord 2.0T, powered by a new 252 hp and 273 lb.-ft. of torque 2.0L direct injected and turbocharged I4 providing the highest torque output for an Accord in history. The new 2.0L Turbo utilizes a smaller, low-inertia turbocharger for improved low-end response.

    2018 Honda Accord Touring

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    The Accord 2.0T goes on sale on Nov. 20 with a starting MSRP of $31,200 (including $890 D&H) for the Accord 2.0T Sport, available with either a segment-first 10-speed AT or short-throw 6-speed MT.

    The more powerful Accord 2.0T arrives just a month after the Oct. 18 launch of the new 2018 Accord 1.5T. Early next year, the pair will be joined by the Accord Hybrid, featuring the 3rd generation of Honda's innovative two-motor hybrid technology.

    The Accord 2.0T is available in Sport, EX-L, EX-L Navi and Touring trims, and in its most efficient guise (EX-L and EX-L Navi) earns EPA fuel economy ratings of up to 23/34/27 mpg (city/highway/combined).

    The dramatically reimagined Honda Accord offers customers exceptional performance and refinement with its two new i-VTEC Turbo engines, its more rigid, lightweight and tightly sealed body and all-new chassis design.

    Like the 1.5T, the 2.0T features the brands suite of advanced safety and driver-assistive technologies, including new Traffic Sign Recognition.

    New standard or available features on the 2018 Honda Accord 2.0T include a Qi wireless device charger, segment-first auto Bluetooth phone pairing with Near Field Communication sensor technology, a 6” head-up display, customizable digital driver's meter, 12-way power adjustable driver's seat, and the next generation of HondaLink Assist connected-car technology. An available new 8-inch Display Audio touchscreen interface with sharper graphics and more user-friendly features including hard buttons for frequently used functions and both volume and tuning/list-scrolling knobs, takes center stage in Accord's all-new interior.

    2018 Accord 2.0T Trims, MSRP & EPA
    • Accord 2.0T Sport w/ the 6MT ($31,200) - 22/32/26 mpg city/highway/combined
    • Accord 2.0T Sport w/ the 10 speed AT ($31,200) - 22/32/26 mpg city/highway/combined
    • Accord 2.0T EX-L w/ the 10 speed AT ($32,860) - 23/34/27 mpg city/highway/combined
    • Accord 2.0T EX-L Navi w/ the 10 speed AT ($33,860) - 23/34/27 mpg city/highway/combined
    • Accord 2.0T Touring w/ the 10 speed AT ($36,690) - 22/32/26 mpg city/highway/combined
    All prices above include the $890 D&H charge.

    2 items of note: Pricing for the Sport trim w/ the 6-speed MT stick and the 10-speed AT the same? Wow! The EPA does not look that enticing and our experience with the non-turbo 2.0L in the Civic pale by comparison w/ the 1.5T in the same?

    The Honda Accord is America's best-selling car over the past 41 years with cumulative U.S. sales of more than 13 million. More than 11 million Accords have been produced in America.

    All 2018 Accords for the U.S. market will be manufactured at Honda's Marysville, Ohio auto plant. Its three new engines – 1.5T, 2.0T and a 2.0L Atkinson cycle for the Accord Hybrid – will be produced at the nearby Anna, Ohio engine plant, Honda's largest engine plant globally. The new 10-speed automatic in the Accord is manufactured by Honda in Tallapoosa, Georgia. Honda has hired 300 new associates and invested more than $267 million in new manufacturing technology in its Ohio plants for production of the new Accord and its engines.
     
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  3. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I can't find any Accord 2.0T on their website yet. Not that I would actually want one , but a friend of mine is getting rid of her 2000 Moneypit 328i to get something reliable.
    She doesn't require RWD , but she does want some zippity-doo-dah. I recommended a Civic 1.5T or Accord 2.0T. She has owned Hondas before the Beemer and had good
    experiences with them.
     
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  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Edwin:

    While I have not driven the 192 hp 1.5T or 252 hp 2.0T Accord yet, my experience with the non Turbo 2.0 in the Civic told me to stay away from it. It was so much less efficient than the 1.5T. In the Accord and with the T moniker, maybe that has changed? 192 hp with better efficiency potential would be what I hope you could steer here towards.

    Wayne
     
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  5. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    Any updates on the hybrid version?
     
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  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Honda doesn't really WANT to sell any hybrids, right ? Or are they afraid of directly competing with Mighty Yota and Hyundai ?
    I don't count the Clarity PHEV , which MIGHT be okay, but I don't require or want such a large car.
    I guess they want to remain profitable. Developing a hybrid is a gamble these days , but our government is encouraging ( pushing)
    manufacturers to offer some.
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Thunderstruck:

    Early next year release is still on track.

    Edwin, Honda has big electrification plans and the current 9th gen Accord HEV is doing ok saleswise but when you walk into a dealership and see $30k to $40k price tag on a midsize hybrid sedan, it is surely turning some back to the non-hybrid lineup. Hopefully the Clarity PHEV will take some of those people in going forward? When/if the Fed TC goes away on the PHEV/BEVs however, I suspect the entire segment will be in huge trouble.

    Wayne
     
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  8. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Carcus:

    I reported on that a few months back.

    Wayne
     
  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

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  11. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    That's it??? Neither Hyundai or Toyota have much to be worried about.
     
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Thunderstruck:

    My assessment as well. When I saw the late issue and no release, I suspected they were trying to tweak it for all it was worth and were coming up short. 47 is still great but the high speed windup of the previous gen drivetrain is probably still there making it a tough choice as well.

    Than again, maybe Honda has not announced the EPA along with any pricing via a Release yet but I caught it on the EPA page before they have? I cannot find the pricing breakout on the Honda media site yet.

    Wayne
     
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  13. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    1.5t Accord takes a substantial (about 15%) hit in mpg vs the Civic.

    Same (more* or less) engine, same transmission: 1.5t 6 speed manual -- Civic 31/42/35, .. Accord 26/35/30

    /*higher boost/hp/tq, ... might be using slightly different turbo
     
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  14. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Carcus, it is pretty much as you wrote. I added a few other data points for comparison, including how the CVT ones do.

    http://owners.honda.com/vehicles/information/2018/Accord-Sedan/specs#mid^CV2F5JJNW
    engine type In-Line 4-Cylinder with Single-Scroll MHI TD03 Turbo and Internal Wastegate
    boost 20.2 psi
    horsepower 192 @ 5500 rpm
    torque 192 lb-ft @ 1600-5000 rpm
    curb weight 3155 lbs
    tires 235 / 40 R19
    emissions LEV3-ULEV50
    emissions footnote: CVT and 10AT models are LEV3-SULEV30-rated in all 50 states. 6MT models are LEV3-ULEV50-rated in all 50 states.

    http://owners.honda.com/vehicles/information/2018/Civic-Sedan/specs#mid^FC1E3JJW
    engine type In-Line 4-Cylinder with Single-Scroll MHI TD03 Turbo and Internal Wastegate
    boost 16.5 psi
    horsepower 174 @ 5500 rpm
    torque 167 lb-ft @ 1800-5500 rpm
    curb weight 2849 lbs
    tires 215 / 50 R17 91H
    emissions LEV3-ULEV125
    emissions footnote: CVT models are LEV3-SULEV30-rated in California and states that have adopted California vehicle emission regulations. CVT models in non-CARB states and 6MT models in all 50 states are LEV3-ULEV125-rated.


    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=39568&id=39567&id=39595&id=39594&#tab2

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  15. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Carcus and Bill:

    The delta between Civic and Accord is pretty darn big! Especially the MT on the highway?

    Wayne
     
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  16. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    .. I guess the aero. Roughly an inch taller, wider, and more ground clearance all. .... But I would guess the biggest factor is the wider tires and more open wheels. (?)
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I have a 10th gen 2020 Honda Accord Hybrid showing up on the 31st of this month.

    To begin that review, here are some EPA estimate comparisons. Remember that 2016 and before had some changes to the EPA estimates and the 2014 Accord Hybrid originally had a 50/45 mpg city/highway rating. IIRC, that 2014 provided something like 80 mpg on my std. LAX to Del Mar, CA, 100+ mile drive. I will have to look that one up.

    In any case, here is the 2014, 2018, and 2020 EPA estimates for the Honda Accord Hybrid. I have no idea why they differ either?

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    Wayne
     
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