2017 Toyota Prius Prime: Price + Content + Efficiency = WOW!!!

Discussion in 'Toyota Prius Family' started by xcel, Oct 3, 2016.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Neil:

    Is that what you were possibly looking to see?

    2020 Toyota Prius Prime Limited

    Drivers POV.​

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  2. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Probably a very tall person looking for lower leg/knee space... :D
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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bill:

    Probably. The Prius Prime is not built for taller drivers including myself.

    I had the opportunity to use the Heat Pump while plugged in. To begin, you have to be plugged in and have the doors locked. With those metrics satisfied, you can hit the Hold A/C button on the key FOB and the Prius Prime will begin to pre-condition the cabin. As long as you are in exterior temperatures above 16 degrees F, if I read the manual correctly, the engine will not start. Unfortunately, once the cabin warmup is complete, it shuts down and will not maintain a comfortable climate inside for another cycle. Meaning if you are plugged in over night, about every 30 to 40-minutes, you will have to wake up and restart the pre-conditioning. :(

    The next time I am charging from a Level2, I am going to check if I can set the parking brake, boot up the car, leave it in N, and see if the car will still charge while the Heat Pump is operating to maintain temperatures while still charging. That is my only hope for those that are forced to sleep in their car once in awhile while still trying to leave with a full charge while plugged into a Level2.

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  4. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Hi Wayne, sorry the Prius Prime pre-heater did not work the way you wished it did. I think that's outside the scope of the intended use. The only real limitation I found was that there is a short period of time (5-10 min) from the time the car is locked to when the pre-heat command would be accepted from the key fob. I am able to do the above remote command without the car plugged in. I've been able to run another pre-heat cycle though I have not tried a third cycle. The Bolt system in comparison, will limit the number of pre-heats without an "engine" start to two cycles. I vaguely recall running the car heat on the Prius Prime while charging, but that was with the car in ready mode. I'm not sure how long I was able to run the car in that mode.

    So I think the following should work. Not plugged in. Lock the car. Wait several minutes. Initiate remote pre-heat, even if you're still in the car. When that cycle is over, repeat.

    No, this would not allow you to sleep through the night in a warm car. Sorry. It should be good enough to take the chill off every couple hours though. When I've slept in the car on long car trips, I never slept through for more than a couple hours at a time anyway.
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  5. litesong

    litesong litesong

    You've never experienced life, till you went to sleep in a car in the dark of the night, & next thing ya know, sunbeams hit ya in your eyes as the sun clears the horizon. :confused:;):D The icons represent the progression of the experience.
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  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    For 2021, the Prius Prime finally receives Android Auto and the full list of Safety Sense 2.0 equipment. The 2021 Toyota Limited trim now matches the std. Prius lineup from Toyota SAFETY SENSE-P which now includes RCTA and BSM.

    2021 Toyota Prius Prime


    This advanced suite of driver-assist technologies is highlighted by automatic emergency braking and includes:
    • Pre-Collision System with Pedestrian and Bicyclist Detection
    • Full-Speed Range Dynamic Radar Cruise Control
    • Lane Departure Alert with Steering Assist
    • Automatic High Beam
    • Lane Tracing Assist
    • Road Sign Assist
    Even with its super-high 55/53/54 mpgUS city/highway/combined fuel efficiency estimates, the Prius Prime includes the ability to reach up to 84 mph on battery power alone. In addition, exclusive suspension tuning.

    5 standard paint color choices including Classic Silver Metallic, Magnetic Gray Metallic, Midnight Black Metallic, Titanium Glow and, exclusive to the Prius Prime, Blue Magnetism. There are also two premium colors, available Supersonic Red and, new for 2021, available Wind Chill Pearl replacing Blizzard Pearl White.

    The Prius Prime is built around the versatile TNGA-K platform architecture. The structural strength and sophisticated double-wishbone style multi-link rear suspension imbue the Prius Prime with a premium level of handling, steering feel and ride quality.

    The rear suspension design allows 19.8 cu. ft. of cargo volume with the rear seatbacks in use.

    Aluminum components, including the hood and brake calipers, help keep vehicle weight in check. Additional weight savings come from a lightweight carbon-fiber rear liftgate, which also makes opening and closing almost effortless.

    The Prius Prime was the first Toyota hybrid to use a dual motor drive, which helps improve acceleration in EV Mode for spirited driving. The system engages both the generator (MG1) and electric drive motor (MG2) for drive torque via an innovative one-way clutch. This is the first deployment of MG1 for that purpose. In other Prius models, MG1 provides only battery charging while MG2 provides drive torque and charging.

    Myriad details throughout the hybrid powertrain contribute to its efficiency, starting with a very high compression ratio of 13.0:1. Yet, like all Prius models, the Prius Prime runs on regular-grade gasoline. Other efficiency team players here include an exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) system with a cooler, a smaller, lighter, quieter hybrid system water pump, and an exhaust heat recirculation system that helps speed engine warm-up.

    The Prius Prime cruises quietly thanks to the sound-insulating laminated windshield and front door glass, comprehensive sound insulation measures, and the optimized aero shape that all help to subdue wind noise.

    The Prius Prime includes heated front seats standard in all three model grades, and the automatic climate control system employs a quiet electric compressor.

    Toyota's climate control system focuses airflow only to areas where occupants are seated in order to help maximize fuel economy and comfort. The climate control system can also operate without the engine running, with a heat pump that allows the system to cool or heat the cabin while driving in EV mode.

    The Prius Prime goes above and beyond to ensure both a comfortable cabin temperature and optimal EV performance in cold weather. The heat pump can function without the engine running in weather down to 14 degrees F, where a conventional heat pump system could only function with the temperature above 32 F. The cabin gets heat quickly even with a cold powertrain.

    Also, on cold days, a battery warmer activates at the end of a charge to keep the battery temperature above 32 degrees F, helping to ensure that it can deliver optimal EV performance and range when the vehicle is started again. On the top-line Prius Prime Limited, the driver can activate the remote air conditioning system with a key fob or smartphone app to cool the interior before entering the cabin.

    The Prius Prime is offered in LE, XLE and Limited grades, each with successively more amenities and technology. LE starts includes fabric-trimmed heated front seats with armrests and seatback pockets; power windows with auto up/down; smart-flow climate control system with pollen filtration; integrated navigation and backup camera; dual sun visors with illuminated vanity mirrors, and heated power outside mirrors. It also includes standard SofTex-trimmed tilt/telescopic steering wheel integrates controls for audio, climate, the Multi-Information Display and Bluetooth® hands-free phone. Additional user tech includes the Smart Key System (on driver side) with Push Button Start. To power devices, there’s a 12v auxiliary power outlet up front, and another in the rear, plus one front USB power outlet.

    The XLE adds the huge 11.6-inch vertical HD multimedia display. The Smart Key System with Push Button Start is expanded to three doors and includes remote illuminated entry. The Prius Prime XLE comes with wireless cell phone charging for Qi-compatible devices using the console charging pad. Comfort is enhanced by SofTex-trimmed heated front seats with armrests and seatback pockets, and the XLE driver gets an 8-way power adjustable seat with power lumbar support.

    The Limited features a heated steering wheel, remote climate control system, rain-sensing variable intermittent windshield wipers, and auto-dimming rearview mirror with HomeLink universal transceiver. LED fog lights, a color head-up display (HUD) and include speedometer, hybrid battery charge, hybrid system indicator navigation and some of the various systems within the TSS 2.0 driver-assist system.

    The Limited grade’s safety tech roster also includes Blind Spot Monitor with Rear Cross-Traffic Alert and a complimentary three-year trials subscription to Safety Connect, which includes Emergency Assistance, Stolen Vehicle Locator, and Automatic Collision Notification.

    The Prius Prime Limited’s standard Intelligent Clearance Sonar (ICS) with Intelligent Parking Assist (IPA) uses ultrasonic wave sensors to size up a parallel parking space and then, when activated by the driver, can steer the car into it. The system can also reverse the vehicle into a perpendicular space and automatically steer it out of a parallel space. If you drive into a tight spot, such as a narrow alley or driveway, Intelligent Clearance Sonar provides visible and audible warnings when the car gets too close to obstacles on the sides.

    The Prius Prime LE comes standard with the comprehensive Toyota Premium Audio with Integrated Navigation system and standard Apple CarPlay, Android Auto, and Amazon Alexa compatibility as well as a SiriusXM All-Access three-month trial. I have not heard that the 2017 - 2020 will be able to be upgraded although the memory space in the two head units is available for that.

    The Limited adds JBL Audio with Prime Apps. The system includes 10 JBL GreenEdge speakers plus Prime Apps for smartphones with 3-year complimentary trial. Prime Apps include Remote Charge Management, Charging Station Map, ECO Dashboard, Remote Climate, and Vehicle Finder.

    Prius Prime Safety

    Prius Prime arrives with 10 airbags, including driver and front passenger Advanced Airbag System; driver and front-passenger seat mounted side airbags; front and rear side curtain airbags; a driver knee airbag; a front passenger seat cushion airbag; and two rear side airbags.

    In addition to TSS 2.0, the 2021 Prius Prime is equipped with Toyota’s Star Safety System, which includes Enhanced Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), Traction Control (TRAC), Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD), Brake Assist (BA), Anti-lock Braking System (ABS), and Smart Stop Technology (SST).

    Prius Prime Warranty

    Toyota’s 36-month/36,000 mile basic new-vehicle warranty applies to all components other than normal wear and maintenance items. Additional 60-month warranties cover the powertrain for 60,000 miles and against corrosion with no mileage limitation.

    The hybrid battery is covered for 10 years from date of first use or 150,000 miles whichever comes first. The coverage is transferable to subsequent owners, a boon to resale value.

    The hybrid components retain coverage of 8 years/100,000 miles, whichever comes first. In applicable states hybrid-related component coverage is 15 years/150,000 miles with the exception of the hybrid battery, which is covered for 10 years/150,000 miles.

    The Prius Prime also comes standard with Toyota Care, a complimentary plan covering normal factory-scheduled maintenance for two years or 25,000 miles, whichever comes first. Prius models include three years of 24-hour roadside assistance from date of purchase.

    2021 Toyota Prius Prime


    I sure hope Android Auto can be flashed into the 2020s head unit. That is all. ;)
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Toyota Equipped a Prius Prime with Ultra High-efficiency Solar Panels

    [​IMG] 860W of total power is enough for a significant range boost!

    Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – Jan. 25, 2021

    Solar panel covered Prius Prime


    Back in mid-2019, Toyota began public road trials of a specialized Prius Prime to assess the effectiveness of high-efficiency solar panels mounted on the Prius Prime to improve cruising range and outright efficiency.

    Toyota tapped Sharp as its modularized high-efficiency solar cells have a conversion efficiency of 34 percent. Toyota installed the panels on the roof, hood, rear hatch door, and other parts of its "Prius Prime" as a demo. With the solar panel's efficiency and area, Toyota was able to achieve a rated power output of around 860 Watts. The system can charge the traction battery while the vehicle is parked AND while it's being driven, a development that is expected to lead to considerable improvements in electric-powered cruising range and fuel efficiency. A sign of a hyper efficient Gen 5 Prius Prime maybe?

    In April 2016, a Japanese R&D organization set up the PV-powered Vehicle Strategy Committee, with the goal of finding solutions to energy and environmental issues in the transport sector with solar powered systems. The committee’s goal was to achieve an output of 1 kW form panels on vehicles, despite the limited area. By using solar modules with a conversion efficiency of 30 percent-plus, the outcome could include ZERO annual recharging necessary depending on usage patterns, and a massive reduction in CO2 emissions.

    The Prius Prime demo is equipped with several 0.03 mm thin film solar cells with a conversion efficiency of 34 plus percent. Since it is a film, it can be curved to fit the exterior as necessary. The vehicle roof, hood, and rear hatch door were covered and the rated power output in mid-day sun is approximately 860 W.

    860W with 11-hours of direct sun would be a typical summer day in my home market of San Diego. This is equivalent to 9.5 kWh or enough to drive the Prius Prime just over 38-miles. Think about that for a minute. That is 38-miles from the sun without ever touching a plug in many South Western states.

    With some possible Gen 5 Prius exterior shots released today, could a scaled down panel on the hood and roof supply 6 kW or enough for 25-miles of range from the sun directly? It would be a damn cool accomplishment for sure.
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  8. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Toyota is surely considering the "dorky" factor here. It might be a great idea , but will people buy them ?
    Would I buy one ? Not sure. The Prime they sell now is so good.

    Of course , I may already be a dork , being a Prius owner for almost 6 years.
    I'm okay with that.
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  9. Dorean Clarke

    Dorean Clarke Well-Known Member

    Yes, Toyota Prius Prime is a good car. It delivers a smooth ride with composed handling, fantastic fuel economy estimates, and a 25-mile all-electric driving range. It also has lots of standard safety tech.
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  10. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Nothing was added for the 2022 MY and the price did not increase either.

    2022 Prius Prime Pricing

    The Prius Prime carry's on into the 2022 MY with the std. three grades and just the right mix of EV and hybrid for everyone. ;)

    2022 Toyota Prius Prime Pricing

    LE - $28,200
    XLE - $30,000
    Limited - $34,000

    Compare the 2022 Prius Prime's MSRP to its launch year in 2017. The answer is the price is up an average of just 3.3 percent over 5 years. What else has increased that little in the past 5-years?

    2017 Toyota Prius Prime Pricing

    Plus (now LE) - $27,100
    Premium (now XLE) - $28,800
    Advanced (now Limited) - $33,100

    While the ergonomics are still not up to most automobiles comfort, there is no other automobile on the planet that offers this much efficiency and especially at the price you can pick one up for after all the deals. My 21 LE is parked at 99.7 mpg over 33,400 miles with a charge approximately once per day.

    2021 Toyota Prius Prime

    Charging in San Diego, CA​

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  11. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    The Prime is sort of a unicorn around here.
    If a dealer has one , it's a Limited with other dealer-installed
    crap that pushes the price close to $40K.
    I'm not thrilled with Chicago-area Toyota dealers.
    I'll just keep my thirsty old 2015 Prius for a while.
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  12. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    I see unicorns all the time... maybe I need to get my head examined. ;)
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