2017 Toyota Prius Prime: Price + Content + Efficiency = WOW!!!

Discussion in 'Toyota Prius Family' started by xcel, Oct 3, 2016.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    The most efficient PHEV on the market today was just provided another bonus for those interested.

    From the short lead and reviews afterwards, you would be hard pressed to beat it on an efficiency and safety basis. Its pricing was already superlative and now it is to the point of ridiculous.

    Moving forward, Toyota has just added a $2,500 rebate to the already low price if you are willing to purchase it from a Toyota dealership in the NY City area.

    Here is what the details looks like for those living in a state with a tax credit on top of the dealer discount, Toyota rebate, Federal Tax Credit, and UBER driver discount.

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    2017 Toyota Prius Prime Plus

    Plus Trim MSRP: $28,209 incl. mat(s) and $885 D&H

    Purchase at $27,300 (incl. $900 dealer discount)

    Toyota $2,500 NY City area rebate

    $4,500 Fed Tax credit <-- Arrives when you file your taxes next year

    $1,500 California State Tax Rebate <-- Arrives a few weeks after purchase for Californian's

    = $18,810 + TTL

    If you are unwilling to fly into NY City, pick it up, and drive it back to wherever you live, I am sorry as this is exactly how I purchased our 2013 Toyota Prius PHEV-11 in NY City 4+ years ago and drove it back to San Diego, California immediately afterwards.

    Wayne
     
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  2. ksstathead

    ksstathead Moderator

    I checked a couple of weeks ago at my dealership, and they have one Prime set to arrive at an unknown time. Cumulative Prime sales = 1.
    Having longed for this car for a decade, I am not able to consider it because of my ground clearance issue getting to/from the ranch.
    '10 Prius plastic underliner is taking a beating.
     
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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Ksstahead:

    That is disappointing to hear about your driveway not accommodating the Prius. The 17 Prime at this price is one of the killer deals of the decade!

    I do not know if you remember but the first Prius PHEV-11s best Toyota rebate topped out at $4,500 just before they lowered the retail price by $2k and the $4,500 rebate went back to a $2,500 rebate. I am not sure where this will top out at but if the economy slows like the auto industry, this deal could get even hotter.

    Imagine a new 2018 Toyota Prius Prime Plus for just $16k + TTL in a year.

    Wayne
     
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  4. ksstathead

    ksstathead Moderator

    It's not the driveway, but the gravel/mud county roads, shared with oil field trucks.
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I was setting this graphic up for the IIHS TSP+ story on the home page. It certainly fits here too.

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    Wayne
     
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  6. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Like I have said before
    if cars were strictly a dollars and cents sense
    no need for anything but the Prius and variants
     
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  7. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    For standard cars, sure thing Charlie. There are other situations that need other capabilities. You're not moving 6+ people in a Prius. You're not towing anything significant in a Prius (1500 lb max). My stock trailer with a cow in it is pushing the limit of the Odyssey's 3500 lb towing capacity.
     
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  8. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Picturing a cow lying on (and crushing) a Prius... :D
     
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    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

  10. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    That Caddy (?) should have had a human head on the hood.
     
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  11. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Those darned Canadians ! I don't see anything wrong with a bison who rides in cars and likes to drink in bars. Sure, it might be better if he had a designated driver , and my "bar" is usually a brewery , but it sounds like a winning formula.
     
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  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    While at the 2017 #LAAutoShow, I was informed that the 2019 or 2020 Toyota Prius Prime - just in time for a refresh - will include the center rear seat making a 5-passenger vehicle. That is very very good news imho!

    In November, the Prius Prime was purchased by 1,834 new owners vs. the Volt's 1,702.

    That story continues through the YTD results as Prius Prime sales lead the Volt 18,516 to 18,412. December will be a make or break moment for both models to see which PHEV will top the EV segment chart over the course of 2017.

    Wayne
     
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  13. Chris12

    Chris12 Active Member

    "The 2017 Toyota Prius Prime is the first vehicle we have driven to > 100 mpg w/out use of a plug (including its discharged pack as it was drained when we launched) or H2 on my standard and measured I-405/I-5, 104 mile drive route. The only other vehicle that beat this result was a non-published drive in a prototype that I am still under NDA to reveal."

    Wayne, back in March, when you were able to get more than 100 mpg out of the Prius Prime, you mentioned that there is another prototype vehicle which beat this result, but which you signed an NDA not to reveal. Are you able to reveal this vehicle today? Is it out yet? Just curious. Thanks.

    Chris
     
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  14. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Chris:

    You are spectacularly good at looking for or remembering specific details and references that have long since been buried into a forum over time! How in the heck do you do that?!?!?!

    I cannot post that particular Prototype vehicles make or model per the NDA as I do not know if it had an end date or not? It was in preps for an event drive that did not occur so let us leave it at that.

    Since that time however, I have posted that production variants of the 2017 Prius Two Eco, 2017 Prius Prime in pure HEV CS mode with no plug-in SoC to begin, and the 2017 Ioniq Blue <-- just barely with the last one, have all breached triple digits on longer real world drives. That should answer the question without having to answer your question directly. ;)

    Wayne
     
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  15. Chris12

    Chris12 Active Member

    Ha. I don't know why I remembered that random aside from nine months ago. I guess I've just been thinking about the future of HEVs and PHEVs and trying to anticipate what may be coming down the pipeline in the next few years. For a variety of reasons, the most attractive cars to me right now are the Ioniq PHEV and the 2019 Honda Insight. I would like to trade in my Civic for either one of these cars later this year. But if there were other upcoming compact cars with really impressive fuel economy on the horizon, I would consider those as well. Like for example, if there were a Civic HEV or PHEV in the pipeline. Or an Insight PHEV. Also, part of me was kind of hoping that either the Ioniq PHEV or the 2019 Insight was just that prototype which had outdone the Prius Prime's efficiency. I'm curious about the real-world highway efficiency of the Ioniq PHEV with its 16-inch wheels and heavier battery, and whether on the highway it's more like the hybrid Blue and SEL or more like the less impressive hybrid Limited. And I'm also excited to hear more about the Insight - its EPA figures, price, whether it will in fact be available in summer of 2018, etc......
     
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  16. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    One trick that plug-ins usually offer over the same model hybrid is the top speed at which it will gladly shut off the engine and go into EV mode. This is true of the Prime (and gen1 plug-in) and of the Ioniq PHEV from what I've read. The latter is rated at 75 MPH in EV mode. The same electric drive motor in the hybrid and PHEV are rated for different outputs, a higher rating for the PHEV of course. Since pulse and glide on the highway can be a useful technique, the PHEV gives you more headroom to do so with the engine off. The Ioniq is especially attractive to me due to its lifetime battery warranty.
     
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  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bill:

    Great point and so true about the PHEVs capability to do more with that larger pack. Whether it is higher speed highway P&G or EV, full regen capability down a major mountain pass, or simply driving off the plug for most local errands, they offer more. With the discounts, they usually cost less too!

    Wayne
     
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  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    While my parents still own their v and now the Prime, here is their most recent foray into travel to the airport. The v took all of this behind the rear seats. The Prime needed the seats folded down and the two large cases tipped on one another came close to the bottom of the back glass.

    2017 Toyota Prius Prime

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    Wayne
     
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  19. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Need to travel lighter *and* use soft luggage. :D
     
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  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Bill:

    I have been saying that to them for years. I think they just got the message too. :D

    Wayne
     
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