2017 Toyota Prius Prime: Price + Content + Efficiency = WOW!!!

Discussion in 'Toyota Prius Family' started by xcel, Oct 3, 2016.

  1. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Carcus , Toyota should use those exact words to promote the Prime. Gasatrons !

    Where we're going , we don't NEED roads.
     
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  2. alster

    alster Well-Known Member

    So the 2017 Prius Prime when running with an empty battery in hybrid mode just like a regular Prius gets better mpg than the Prius ECO model, when the EPA
    states that the Prius ECO is the real winner in MPG's. Price point as well with a Fed Tax Credit the Prius Prime base model will be at the same price as the Prius ECO.

    Also, at least with the Prius Prime, the MPG stated by the computer is on the mark, and not overstating between 3-4 mpg like our 2010 Prius. Sure looks like our next car to replace our 2010 Prius. Now to find one at $25,000 or so. We also have a 240 Volt charger we use for our 2016 Volt which we can also use on the Prius Prime.

    Great review Wayne!!
     
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  3. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    A smaller battery in a PHEV gets cycled many more times, and charge / discharge cycles are what stress the cells. They offset this by using less of the capacity, and we'll see what the useful life of battery packs are.
     
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  4. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

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  5. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Wayne,

    Any chance the change in slope of the steady state graph is a result of the grill shutters closing? (seen on both cars at about 60 mph)

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    ref. (Mercedes): "When the fan shutter is closed, the Cd falls by 0.013, which is equivalent to a fuel saving of up to 2% when travelling at 80 mph"
    http://www.cleanmpg.com/community/index.php?threads/21648/
     
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  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Alster, Neil and Carcus:

    Yup. :)

    Regarding the grille shutters, maybe? I am seeing quite a few cars with the inflection around 60 mph nowadays than I did a few years back though.




    Wayne
     
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  7. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    I have to say the Prius excels in "creep and beep" (congested) driving. Makes it so you learn to love bumper to bumper traffic.
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  8. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Amen.
     
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  9. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Never! I'd sooner move or change jobs than put up with routine and expected traffic and/or long commutes. So much wasted time by so many people, not to mention the fuel consumed other than by a few hybrids and electrics!
     
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  10. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    You should consider yourself lucky to have either of those as options. A lot of us don't, so we make do as best we can.
     
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  11. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    You're right. I do apologize for the broad stroke. I am quite fortunate in my circumstances.
     
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  12. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I DO want to move. Hopefully cycling distance from my job , but since I like to get there at 5:20 AM , that would mean riding at night. My house in Aurora needs a LOT of work before I can even sell it. Riding my bike ( and chasing women ) is a lot more fun than working on my house. But since I now spend about two hours a day in the car , I need to do something about it.
     
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  13. alster

    alster Well-Known Member

    So, it looks like, at least at this point, the Prius Prime is the winner in mpg's, just running in hybrid mode. Probably the Prius Eco next. Now the Hyundai Ioniq Blue, the base model with the highest EPA avg. of 58 mpg, should be, in all respects, the number one fuel economy champ. At this point I am not seeing that with the Ioniq.

    Looking at replacing our 2010 Prius, probably this year. The last trip, my wife and I, with our 2016 Volt, on Sunday, we got 65.2 miles on just electric and on the gas engine, 58 MPG, this is a nearly 90 mile round trip with no elevation changes, temp 55 degrees and dry roads. Quite an increase in mpg since the Chevy software update. I think I'm going to wait a while, if GM has the 20% off MSRP on Volt, like they did when we bought ours last summer, maybe a Volt will be on the list. With the $7,500 Fed Tax Credit, which we can use 100%, its quite possible to get a b[​IMG]ase 2017 Volt for $20,000, or maybe even less....
     
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  14. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    These are awesome cars. Makes you wonder just how much further the envelope can be stretched. I bought the Prius hoping I'd be moving to Nashville, but a decent job offer in my field has yet to materialize. Would love to leave this state and the evil leprachaun Madigan behind me.
     
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  15. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Not to mention the "Tiny Dancer" (Emanuel) if you live in Chicago. This state is one giant mess.
     
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  16. thunderstruck

    thunderstruck Super Moderator

    Actually I do live in the city, which is the reason I'm so desperate to leave. When I see the Municipal retirement fund and Laborers fund paid out $999 million in benefits and had $90 million in income, it's painfully obvious about the property tax increases that will follow in the near future. The city takes in about a billion dollars a year in property taxes, and the city has already stated when Municipal runs out of money and becomes pay as you go it will need a billion dollars a year for benefits. IOW, property taxes will have to double just to pay for that fund. I'm hoping to bail before the rest of the world realizes one of the provisions in the police and fire pension bill, which became law after the governors veto was overridden last year, mandates automatic, unlimited property tax increases starting in 2020 to fund that pension.
     
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  17. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Since I live in the "Second City" ( Aurora , #2 in population ) , what goes on in Chicago doesn't affect me directly , but it still pisses me off ! My plan is to escape to Colorado , aka "Beer Heaven". One of my daughters is already there and I really have no family in Illinois , so why the heck am I here ?
     
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  18. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Here's a curious piece of trivia from the owner's manual. Probably won't apply to most, but you never know when you might try to top off the gas tank... :)

    "■Refueling ●Finish refueling within 30 minutes. If more than 30 minutes passes, the internal valve closes. In this condition, fuel may overflow during the refueling process. Press the fuel filler door opener switch again."
     
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  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    I know a guy that might run into that problem. Maybe the Japanese engineers have been watching this forum and my refueling antics? ;)

    The Prime took maybe 20 minutes to top off the last time I had one so most should easily meet the deadline.

    Wayne
     
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  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] Exclusively in Quebec - 2017 Toyota Prius Prime Goes on Sale June 1

    Yesterday Toyota Canada announced that Quebecers will be the first receiving the opportunity to purchase the 2017 Toyota Prius Prime. The base model starts at $32,990 CAN MSRP ($35,204 all-in Quebec price before the $4,000 Québec provincial rebate) and is the most fuel efficient vehicle on Canadian roads. It features a 7” Display Audio System with SIRI Eyes Free, Navigation, Auto Climate, heated wheel with Softex cladding, dual 4.2” multi-information displays, an eco-drive monitor, Proximity Key with Push Button Start, and more. This value-driven Prius PHEV-25 is priced $3k CAN less than the previous generation Prius PHEV-11!

    Built around the Toyota New Global Architecture (TNGA) platform and an all-new Hybrid Synergy Drive, the 2017 Toyota Prius Prime is Toyota’s first use of a dual motor-generator drive system via clutch allowing both motors to provide acceleration. This new hybrid drive joins aerodynamic enhancements and weight reductions to significantly boost Prius Prime’s fuel efficiency to 1.8Le/100 km or 130 MPGe with a full battery charge.

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    According to Natural Resources Canada, the 2017 Toyota Prius Prime is the most fuel-efficient vehicle in the country, even when pure battery-electric models are included in the calculation.

    The Prius Prime has a combined range of more than 640 miles, and can also travel 25-miles in electric only mode.

    Canadian Prius Prime Trims

    The 2017 Toyota Prius Prime listed above is the first. The second is a fully ladened Prius Prime Technology which starts at $38,565 CAN ($40,779 all-in Quebec price before the $4,000 Québec provincial rebate). This model adds a premium audio system with a larger, 11.6” HD multimedia display, the Qi wireless charging, a full-color Heads-Up Display, Intelligent Parking Assist, rain-sensing wipers, Blind Spot Monitor with Rear Cross Traffic Alert, LED fog lamps, Softex leather seating, step lamps, touch sensor locks on the front passenger door and rear hatch, and more.

    Wayne
     
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