More on the Much Anticipated 2017 Honda Civic Hatch

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  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] The hard charging Japanese brand moved the bar with the excellent 10th gen Civic. Adding to its accolades, a hatch with the 1.5T and a stick is just around the corner!

    [​IMG]Wayne Gerdes – CleanMPG – August 17, 2016

    2017 Honda Civic Hatch (Civic Touring sedan shown) - Pricing is TBA while offering a 31/40 mpg city/highway rating for those opting for the CVT in LX, EX and EX-L trims. 30/36 mpg city/highway rating for CVT-equipped Sport and Sport Touring trims. Those choosing the 6-speed MT option in LX and Sport trims are provided a 30/39 mpg city/highway rating. All of these are based on the latest and more stringent 2017 EPA ratings.

    One of the most efficient non-hybrid drives we have taken this year, the all-new 2016 10th gen Honda Civic is going to receive another exciting new platform. Remember the first hint that we would receive one was from the Geneva Auto Show in early March.

    2017 Honda Civic Hatch shows its face in Geneva

    Since that time, Civic Hatch news has been almost non-existent. Until now.

    In the U.S. through the end of July, the great looking 2016 Honda Civic is easily beating its competitors in the hotly contested compact segment. Here are how the segment stacks up.

    2016 U.S. Top 5 Compact sales through July
    • Honda Civic - 222,792
    • Toyota Corolla - 213,910
    • Ford Focus - 117,117
    • Hyundai Elantra - 116,935
    • Chevrolet Cruze - 100,454
    The 2017 Civic Hatchback joins the 2016 North American Car of the Year – the Civic Sedan from last year and the Civic Coupe that launched earlier this. The 2017 Honda Civic Hatch brings five-door versatility to the Civics superb driving dynamics and Honda’s super-efficient and powerful direct-injected and turbo charged 174 hp and 162 lb.-ft. of torque 1.5L. In addition, the 6-speed MT is scheduled for three of the 5 trims!!! The all-new Civic Hatch is scheduled to arrive at Honda dealerships this fall.

    2017 Honda Civic Hatch



    Honda stated the 2017 Civic Hatch will arrive in LX, Sport, EX, EX-L, and Sport Touring trims that are all equipped with the 1.5L I4 engine. What is really interesting is that the CVT will be available on all trims and the 6-speed MT will be available on the LX, Sport, and EX trims. :)

    The CVT equipped Civic Hatch is expected to receive a 31/40/34 mpg city/highway/combined rating. Honda did not report any EPA results for the stick and they added the adjective “performance” before the 6-speed MT so expect the BS short ratios and shifting between 1st and 6th before 32 mph.

    In any case, in our experience with Honda sticks, they are more efficient despite the terrible ratios Honda equips all of them with.

    The interior of the 2017 Honda Civic Hatchback incorporates the award winning 10th-generation Civics details with a twist. That being the 122.9 cu. ft. of passenger and cargo volume compared to the 112.9 and 110.1 cu. ft. – LX and the EX on up trims respectively.

    Available on most trims (and standard on Sport Touring) will be the Honda Sensing suite of safety and driver-assistive technologies, which includes Collision Mitigation Braking System (CMBS), Forward Collision Warning (FCW) integrated with CMBS, Lane Keeping Assist (LKAS), Road Departure Mitigation (RDM), Lane Departure Warning integrated with RDM and Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) with Low-Speed Follow. Other available features include Honda Display Audio with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto (EX and above trims), heated front seats and heated side mirrors, power driver and front-passenger seats, remote engine start and more.

    The Civic Hatch Sport Touring trim includes Honda Sensing, Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, LED headlamps, rear seat heaters standard.

    2017 Honda Civic Hatch


    Just a guess at this time but I suspect the stick could be a Guinness World Record holder!

    The 2017 Civic Hatchback will be manufactured exclusively by Honda of the UK Manufacturing in its Swindon, UK plant.
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  2. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    Fuel economy numbers for both transmissions were up on the Honda Canada site. I'll see if I can find them and compare against the CVT sedan.
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  3. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    This is intriguing. Any idea what's the cargo volume, and does it have magic seats?
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  4. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    "The turbocharged engine will be offered with either a performance-inspired 6-speed manual transmission or a sporty CVT. Anticipated NRCan fuel economy ratings of 7.7 / 6.0 / 6.9 L/100KM on the LX CVT trim and 7.9 / 6.6 / 7.3 L/100KM on the Sport and Sport Touring CVT trim. The manual transmission on all trims will come with an NRCan rating of 8.0 / 6.2 / 7.2 L/100KM"

    Edit: so the LX CVT rating is still marginally better than the manual transmission rating...
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2016
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  5. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Looks like good news bad news.

    Good news: The 6mt maaaaybe is not geared too bad for the highway
    Bad news: Looks like the hatch is noticeably (6.0 vs 5.5 -- about 9%) less fuel efficient on the highway than the coupe. I was wondering if there would be an aero hit for the usability.
    /looks like there's a significant price to pay when you square the rear end up .... even a little bit.
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2016
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  6. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    The LX manual is no buzz bomb with its gear ratios:

    1st : 3.643 2nd : 2.080 3rd : 1.361 4th : 1.024 5th : 0.830 6th : 0.686 Reverse : 3.673 Final Drive : 4.105

    Maybe we can hope for similar ratios on the turbo. Why no manual for the touring edition, though? Man, that's got to have the hatchback guys spitting mad if the top-of-the-line Civic hatch doesn't have the manual.

    The car pictured is the touring trim, I guess, because of the LED headlights. It looks great.
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  7. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    With turbo torque, I am hoping they will gear it taller than the 2.0 manual.
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  8. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Yeah, that is a better ratio than my Fit is running. Final * 6th gear = 2.816, compared to my 3.359. Unless it has skateboard wheels, it's revving lower than my 2850 on the highway.
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  9. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    Numbers for the manual aren't too far off the CVT.

    The turbocharged engine will be offered with either a sporty CVT (all trims) or a performance-inspired 6-speed manual transmission (LX and Sport). EPA fuel economy ratings are 31/40/34 mpg (city/highway/combined) for CVT-equipped LX, EX and EX-L models, 30/36/32 mpg for CVT-equipped Sport and Sport Touring trims and 30/39/33 mpg for the 6-speed manual equipped LX and Sport models. These numbers are based on the newer, more stringent model year 2017 EPA ratings requirements and put the 5-door Honda Civic Hatchback at the top of its class.
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  10. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    YES! I'd gladly take an official 1 mpg hit to have a manual. With the right driver it's worth +10 mpg, so it's a huge win.
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  11. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    Comparing "sport" to "sport", the manual transmission looks more efficient!
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  12. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    The manual Sport also gets a bonus 15 lb-ft of torque over the CVT. Only a 1 mpg deficit on the highway has me thinking that they may have given it sensible ratios for the top gears.
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  13. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk 2010 Prius (CAN Touring) Staff Member

    Does it HAVE to look like a hyped-up running shoe? None of the manufacturers have the nerve to break this "trend".

    Taking just a small bit, so many ugh elements in this one spot. That little orange clearance light for example, completely tacked on looking:


    And of course the obligatory corner-of-bumper "ports". And the bulbous hood, rotating sycle blade rims, angry headlights, and...
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2016
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  14. Jay

    Jay Well-Known Member

    The thing I noticed was how much cleaner it looked with the ugly chrome blacked out in the front and elsewhere.
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  15. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    FWIW, ... the chevy cruze 6 speed manual went from 29/41/33 to 28/39/32 under the 2017 EPA standards,... so we could infer that a Honda Civic 1.5t 6mt hatch might have been rated 31/41/34 under the "old" standards and that 40+ mpg real world tanks would be a normal occurrence. Looking forward to Wayne's in depth test drive on this one.

    /Is this the cleaner, more reliable Golf TDI manual I've always wanted?
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  16. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    So rated better than my Golf, not bad. But I'll probably still take a bit of a hit in real world mileage and fuel prices with the Civic.
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  17. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    I can't wait for the steady state fuel mileage numbers from Wayne.
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  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I updated the OP with the Civic hatch's new EPA ratings and like Andrew said, the Honda MTs are worth another 10 more MPG than the CVTs despite the lower ratings! Not on the steady states but around town and slower speeds prior to 65 mph or so.

    The LX hatch with the 6-speed stick is really enticing!

  19. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

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  20. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    Here is the 1.5t in cutaway as explained by the chief powertrain engineer:
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