2014 RAM 1500 EcoDiesel Heads West

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, Aug 15, 2014.

  1. ILAveo

    ILAveo Well-Known Member

    It has been swapped among different auto companies several times. Right now it's a susidiary of Fiat, it used to be part of GM, used to be part of Penske, etc. They make engines themselves, but also license designs sometimes.
  2. Carcus

    Carcus Well-Known Member

    The new (US made) Cummins 5.0 diesel V-8 was destined for the Ram, it's new home will be under the hood of a Nissan Titan.
  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Carcus:

    Both the Titan and the Tundra.

    2016 Toyota Tundra to Receive 5.0L Cummins Turbo Diesel

    Nissan Plans For Its Titan Full Size Pickup

    I think it is far to much cap for a 1/2 ton but I suspect both Toyota and Nissan will bring a 3/4 tons to market with the 5.0L Cummins. To much $s not to but I am way out on a limb with this guess.

    The 2.8L Cummins possibly under the hood of an upcoming Frontier is the real story however.

    Best of the 2014 Chicago Auto Show: Cummins Powered Nissan’s Frontier Diesel Runner

    The full size 5.0L V8s will not compete with RAMs 3.0L EcoDiesel but the Cummins in the smaller Frontier just like the Duramax 2.8L in the smaller Colorado/Canyon twins has a chance but only if they gear the 6-speed ATs properly.

    The last time I was in a Frontier and previous gen Colorado, they were compact/midsize like car sized vehicles, not full sized pickups. Another data point to consider.

  4. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Yeah-if the Colorado is a midsize truck
    Why buy midsize when Ram will sell you a 1/2 FE worldbeater- gas or TD
    For less $$ and probably better FE- at least as good anyway.

    Midsized pickups- RAM put a stake thru them.

    Now if there was a return the small- 2900 lb pickups-maybe-like the old Toyota
    But that 3.6 pentastar-would match my 1998 AT 4 CYL Tacoma hy-
    Toyota's AT wasn't great FE wise back then.
    That Eco diesel would kill it HY probably beat it city.
    It was just 2780 lbs-extra cab 6.5 ft bed-tiny by comparison

    The 18/25 pentastar-probably matches all 1998 AT small pickups-and they were tiny by comparison-not too comfortable either!(drove one to Flagstaff with our 1st greyhound-3000 miles-buzzing engine(75mph)-wind road noise-long trip)

    Trucks have come a long long way
    Much farther than I would have dreamed of in 2000.

    How comfortable is that Ram?? Quiet??
  5. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    I'm considering a Colorado TD. Reasons why I'd choose it over a Ram would be if it's cheaper and with better MPG. Plus it's easier to fit in my garage.

    But I am glad to see Charlie no longer turns into a grouch every time there is a TD thread :p
  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Charlie is trying SO HARD to not gush all over this excellent DIESEL powertrain.

    We know you want one, dude.
  7. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    Colorado diesel with stick and crew can wouldn't be a bad but for me. I do have a need to haul stuff several times per year. But it's nothing a wagon couldn't handle.
  8. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Guys I am still willing to micturate all over TD cars-especially small somewhat FE aimed (under $30,000) cars.
    Always for the same-broken record reason.
    The Prius and the PIP( frequently discounted to near give away price).
    The Prius is just too good too reliable and too inexpensive to bother with and TD car
    or battery only car.
    And I don't really "like" toyota-they beat poor Honda-sales wise-because they were willing to build us the vehicle we thought we wanted-V-8's
    But Honda-true to its frugal founder's roots-wouldn't.
    We all know-a Honda V-8 would have been the sweetest V-8 in the world.
    But Honda had "ethics" Toyota had marketing.

    So despite being a Toyota disliker-I prefer DODGE GM HONDA as CORPS(forst love was MOPAR-1965 Fury 111 SW 318 -would show 111mph-1965 brakes tires-my brother and I ran the wheels off that vehicle-I wrecked it twice-but it was soooo good
    and 1971 383 Cuda-brother bought it when he returned from VN- sold it to me when he was sent to iRAN -1975- for 2 years-made me agree to sell it back to him-SOB-when he returned)
    So I LOVE Dodge/Chrysler/Mopar
    GM- the 1998 1/2 has been such a pleasant surprise-$$ problems-it has been a bright spot
    Honda-they build the cars we need

    Toyota-no love for them-but the Prius-and all the rest-are just such good transportation devices-make FE TD CARS pointless-shame,but...
    Yeah the Prius is dull-except for the screen.

    So RAM- TWO absolute WORLD BEATERS- after being at deaths door
    They now make the "best" 1/2 tons-if FE is a concern
    Yeah 7 years ago-they had the WORST 1/2 ton FE- guzzling Hemi-that was barely quicker than a GM 5.3(BUT WA WAY DOWN ON FE)

    Now they are KILLING GM and edging FORD
    Fords weight loss program-great thing-but FE(NOT JUST MPG WISE)- they won't beat that small TD Ram- 35 mpg at 70 mph??!!

    Yes I LOVE both those RAMS
    So much that it even crosses my mind to hunt up a GENTLY TOTALED TD
    get the entire engine bay and transmission
    Stuff it in Suburban
    Yes I won't-but sure as heck SOMEONE WILL!!
    My 1998 1/2 ton GM brick-would be a 30 mpg at 60 mph vehicle with that drivetrain.

    Hah-you have been lusting for a TD "forever"
    Now we know the REAL WHY of WHY move to CA.
    Nice climate of course-snow must get old for adults(lived in PENN until I was 7.5-snow was fun)

    A 40 mpg HY 1/2 ton-perhaps 23-25 mpg city in Wayne's hands??

    Well I have run on-as usual-but this RAM TD-is THE PRIUS
    A 5000 LB 35 MPH 70 MPH 1/2 pickup.
    My 1/2 ton would get maybe 17 mpg at that speed
    A more up to date GM- perhaps 22 mpg at 70 mph
    Yeah THE PRIUS of 1/2 ton pickups
    But it is s RAM/Dodge- so it will be fun-not dull-versatile-do anything vehicle

    I'm impressed-this TD makes $$ and cents sense-the TD cars don't
  9. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    Actually finding diesel in CA is tricky though. We had a Mercedes diesel out there and it could be a search if we weren't in our home area.
  10. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    I haven't spent much time in California but have not had problems finding stations when driving through the northern states. I think something like 50% of stations sell diesel now? I believe it's slowly been climbing.

    For comparison, there are roughly 20k McDonald's in the USA. Apparently there are roughly 120k gas stations in the USA, so that would mean ~60k stations selling diesel. 3x the number of McDonald's, and McDonald's is relatively easy to find if I want to find one.
  11. DaveJ

    DaveJ Well-Known Member

    This would probably be a deal killer for me.
    Does anyone think the cost of the 3.0 and trans. is that much more than the base engine and trans.?
    Wonder if this will go down in the future.
    Almost seems like shooting yourself in the foot to price it that high.
  12. fishnrib

    fishnrib Christian

    Hybrid cars are about $5,000 more than a regular car but we get to smile after a fill-up.
  13. DaveJ

    DaveJ Well-Known Member

    Depends when you buy and your shopping luck. My TCH was only about $1500 more than a comparable Camry non-hybrid when I got it.
    My Prius was maybe 2K more than a comparable sized car due to rebates, glut in local inventory(due to gas prices low).
    But yes, list price to list price 5k difference.
  14. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    Diesels are a lot more robust, lower volume, and let us not forget the turbos. Diesel engines are expensive.
  15. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    The TDs engines-plumbing- is heavier-so more robust in that sense
    but they sure as heck AREN'T MORE RELIABLE
    and they sure as heck cost more to maintain/repair.

    Just check any pickup truck forum-you will find plenty of complains specifically related
    to the "diesel system"
    The fuel injection and various components of it-seem particularly "fragile"
    and cost -frequently-a bit more than a transmission rebuild- >$3000-to fix.

    But yes they do cost a bit more to build-piston cylinders block head crank-are "stronger" to take all the boost/compression-but that can't be "A LOT"-
    Now turbos-100,000 RPMs-they are pricy-easpecially if they aren't "build in china for as little as possible"

    I just couldn't resist just a "little" sour grapes.

    Gotta sorta' agreed with DaveJ- $5000- BIG PREMIUM- especially when RAM offers
    another WORLDBEATER MPG alternative- which they sel for a very reasonable price.

    All the manufacturers GOUGE with the TD pickups
    and Chrysler GOUGED with that TD Liberty JEEP I think
    and that LIBERTY - was no where near as WORLD BEATING as this pickup.
    And all dealers GOUGE when they have a popular vehicle.
    Wayne's borrowed stripper-Kinda doubt anyone would be able to buy even it-stripper-for MSRP- heack it might be the only stripper built this month.
    Yeah popular vehicles-always optioned up

    Any buddies bought one-actual price vs MSRP??

    Great truck-I would pay the $5000 premium-even though it might not make $$ and cents sense.
  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Charlie:

    The cool thing is the RAM 1500 with the EcoDiesel has a 5-yr., 100,000 mile "Powertrain" warranty!

  17. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    California is the only place I have been where it's hard to find.
  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi James:

    I use the Shell Station Locator and have no problem finding diesel all across California and everywhere else. A little thin in the WY and MT area but there are plenty of non-Shell stations to purchase diesel from up there.

    In most of the TDs with NAVI today, their POI category specifically spells out diesel stations as well.

  19. atlaw4u

    atlaw4u Well-Known Member

    Great trip Wayne. Next you need to dive the Nissan Cummins.
  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Reid:



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