WildAssTheory: Beaters get better MPG in real life.

Discussion in 'Fuel Economy' started by RoadWarrior222, Jul 26, 2014.

  1. RoadWarrior222

    RoadWarrior222 rockit serjun

    Here's one for discussion.

    I notice in my new Note that compared to my Escort that I am often forced to yield my legal right of way much more often. This costs gas in wasting momentum, tire wear, brake wear etc. I guess the scissor paper stone mentality is a bit like "Shiny (sub)compact will give way to SUV, but SUV yield to $500 wreck"

    I don't personally test the propensity of drivers having the legal right of way to yield, but I get tested on this frequently when there's larger private vehicles going around parked cars or other obstructions on their side of the road. When I'm in the beater, they flinch and wait AS THEY LEGALLY SHOULD, when I'm in the Note, I have to brake or avoid collision on shoulder or other action.

    So my WAT is, given identical theoretic fuel economy figures, a beater will get better real world MPG than a newer car, due to "beater respect" the feeling that other drivers have that you will not mind in the least if you add a ding or two to it, thus allowing you to preserve momentum. (I guess it doesn't hurt that they might doubt that your brakes are any good etc)



    edit: Cliffs notes for AAA, hypermilers are crazy out of control cheapskates driving barely guideable missiles that cost less than your deductible, better drive a Humvee so you can continue to ignore rules of road without killing your kids.
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2014
  2. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    I used to think that expensive car/suv drivers were nastily aggressive-MB BMW LEXUS

    Now that was when I usiverally has small vehicles small Toyota pickups or cars

    I do notice the ancient ugly hulk-98 suburban-does get its right of way challenged less often
    It cost me $2950 (195,000 miles) in 2007
    I would have trouble getting $2000 for it now
    but I wouldn't sell it for under $5500(which I would promptly use to buy a 2004-2006 Suburban-better mpg (probably could get 2mpg better)better brakes fewer miles etc)
    No one would give me more than $2500-and even that would be a BIG REACH

    So yeah-there MIGHT be something to your "beater theory"
    But not so sure it holds for "small beaters" some of our cars-were certainly close to "small beaters"-and we weren't granted RIGHT OF WAY

    But maybe you have a point!!
  3. RoadWarrior222

    RoadWarrior222 rockit serjun

    Now you mention it, Mercedes have cost me 3 mirrors over ~25 years.... mainly due to their unwillingness to go closer than 6ft to anything on their passenger side, but perversely will get their drivers side within an inch or two.
  4. RoadWarrior222

    RoadWarrior222 rockit serjun

    And oh yes, there's a further level of respect between small beaters and large beaters. I notice that in Voyager vs Escort. Only the bigger full sizes, F250/350 dually size of 5 to eleventy years old tend to make challenges (Neglecting arsehole luxo barges) .

    Just thought of another explanation though, the stance/proportions of the note MAY look like a Grand Caravan or similar that's 20ft further away... so could be misjudgement.
  5. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I remember having beaters , but in my case , I drove very conservatively because I wanted the car to hold out for a few more months without an expensive repair I might not be able to afford. I did some fairly-good hypermiling in my 89 Civic Si , especially after 200K miles and extensive rust.

    I noticed more lack of respect when I bought a car with a colour that made it almost invisible ( tan-beige). And yes , it WAS a Toyota (87 Nova). People were constantly turning right in front of me like I wasn't even there. In my two blazing red hatchbacks that I owned for a total of 2 years , people ALWAYS noticed me and didn't crash into me ever.
    Toiday , for some reason , I have another "invisible" car ( grey). Maybe it's the DRL's but people have failed to hit me. Which is nice.

    Next car : Absolutely Red. I'd also like Guards Red , but that's less likely.
  6. RoadWarrior222

    RoadWarrior222 rockit serjun

    The Note is white with DRLs, you wouldn't think it would be a problem to see in summer, ... snowstorms maybe...

    I'm not talking about pushing my luck either, I'm talking about driving along normally and then there's some arsehole on your side of the road forcing you over or stopped.... even sometimes when you could drive a BUS between the obstruction and the center line on that opposite side, some clowns swing so wide that they force you to brake or deviate. I should run a dash cam, it'd look like the Russian ones.
  7. some_other_dave

    some_other_dave Well-Known Member

    My experience was dissimilar. I had a BLAZING YELLOW hatchback, and apparently it was invisible. Or just looked like a Botts dot? I can't even count any more the number of people who hit my car, or came very close to it, because "they didn't see it"...

  8. PaleMelanesian

    PaleMelanesian Beat the System Staff Member

    Sigh. People don't see because they're NOT LOOKING! :mad:
  9. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Truth be told , Dave , my Arrest-Me-Red Civic Si did suffer TWO accidents, but both were because the other driver lost control of their vehicle in very slippery snow conditions and I had no time/space to avoid it.

    People need to pay attention. But how do you get them to do that ?
  10. RoadWarrior222

    RoadWarrior222 rockit serjun

    Over 200,000 miles, the Escort didn't have any accidents, this was less due to people noticing it due to it being red than due to it having anal brake and steering maintenance, and the driver having idiot radar that borders on the clairvoyant. I swear sometimes I've practically teleported it sideways, and I swear sometimes I've only actually mentally processed the large SUV occupying my former volume a half to full second after I took evasive action. I bet if I even had video of a couple of incidents, people would be like "No way man, that was CGI". Had some close shaves in the Voyager also, like all 4 sides of the vehicle within 3" of another one, in the space of half a second at 60mph kind of close shave. (That was an avoid the accident, then avoid all the people overreacting to the accident kind of thing) I don't even know how I knew to do what I did sometimes, for instance, catch a flash of something coming up behind you at hugely excessive speed, like 120mph to your 60, what do you do? Well there was only the shoulder open to pass on and that got cut off by a barrier about 50ft ahead, so I stood on the brakes... yup, he'd already committed to that swerve by the time I saw him 100 yards, back, went around me on the shoulder and there WAS NOT enough room, apart from I'd stood on the brakes and he missed the barrier and me by literal inches... That all sounds like reasoning, but it was literally flash in the mirror straight on the brakes. I maintain situational awareness but consciously there's not enough time to pick through it, pro vs con.

    That's kinda why I wasn't keen on a Prius by the way, a suspicion that someone would kill me it in inside a couple of hundred thousand miles. The Note is nimble enough, reviewers complain about it, but as far as road and steering feedback goes, you don't need the whole book continuously read to you 24/7, just the right couple of words when you need them, seems to do that to me. I have tested it's evasion powers a couple of times so far at city speeds, not sure yet whether it's ESP is going to work with me or against me at highway speed though, but you're stuck with that whatever you buy these days.

    Edit: oh, visibility is a biggie where the Note scored much higher than others, I like to see who's trying to kill me next, that corner of the eye stuff is vital, Focus and Rio don't got it.
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2014
  11. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    Mine is a beater. And it gets better MPG than anything I have ever had. But correlation really doesn't prove causation here...

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