The scandal of fiddled global warming data

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by ALS, Jun 23, 2014.

  1. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    The US has actually been cooling since the Thirties, the hottest decade on record.

    When future generations try to understand how the world got carried away around the end of the 20th century by the panic over global warming, few things will amaze them more than the part played in stoking up the scare by the fiddling of official temperature data. There was already much evidence of this seven years ago, when I was writing my history of the scare, The Real Global Warming Disaster. But now another damning example has been uncovered by Steven Goddard’s US blog Real Science, showing how shamelessly manipulated has been one of the world’s most influential climate records, the graph of US surface temperature records published by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

  2. ILAveo

    ILAveo Well-Known Member

    Click-bait newspaper articles reporting on obscure blogs written by cranks always provide the best scientific analysis. :rolleyes: Three issues popped right out at me: US is not the globe, maxima are not averages, changes in where/how thermometer temperatures are collected matter a lot (for example, roof top weather stations generally aren't used for official data anymore). The original blog writer seems dishonest, stupid or both.

    What would be fair to say is that the hottest places in the US were really hot some years in the 1930's. To extrapolate from this global average temperature trends as the original blog wants you to do demonstrates a failure to understand what an average is. The extrapolation is particularly risky when you fail to acknowledge that moving a thermometer off the roof is likely to change the temperature it registers.

    When serious people actually do what the author failed to do, but apparently wanted people to think that he did, they see that as measured by average temperature there were some relatively warm years in the US in the 1930's, but not as warm as some recent years.
  3. booferama

    booferama He who posts articles

    Let's see: over 97% of over 12,000 peer-reviewed articles from 1991-2011 agree that anthropogenic climate change is real. A blogger with a B.S. in Geology and a Master's in Electrical Engineering, and no peer-reviewed articles on climate to his credit, claims it's all a hoax.
  4. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    C'mon, as you require of others post your source. Don't just raddle off stats and not expect to be challenged.
  5. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    I hope this does not mean a slow down on the predictions for global warming. I hope it warms just as fast a predicted. Global warming is a great thing.
  6. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    Maybe in Cincinnati?
  7. booferama

    booferama He who posts articles

  8. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    I've been waiting patiently for someone to use that 98% of scientists agree BS number.


    I've never understood how people with college educations and even those with post graduate degrees can be so gullible to such obvious media misinformation.

    MSNBC as a source are you kidding? Mad Magazine or National Lampoon has more credibility.

    publicpolicypolling on media outlet trust.pdf
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  9. booferama

    booferama He who posts articles

    Ah, yes, the 1998 petition signed by 31,000 scientists. Scientists such as Ginger Spice, Charles Darwin, and characters from M*A*S*H and Star Wars. Ginger Spice's work on ocean temperatures definitively proves AGW wrong.

    Moreover, what you block-quote about the 97% number is patently false. If you had read the link I posted, you would have come across how the number was actually arrived at: not by the AGU survey, but by a 2004 literature review headed by Naomi Oreskes, in which she examined 928 peer-reviewed abstracts and found that NOT EVEN ONE rejected the consensus on global warming; then, in 2013, John Cook headed up research into 12,000 peer-reviewed articles, then contacted the authors of those articles about their views on global warming, reaching again the 97% number.

    Let's see: a fraudulent petition signed by unverifiable people who've done no work on climate, including clearly made-up names. ON TOP OF THAT, researchers contacted a sample of the petition's signatories:

    Finally, you write the following: "I've never understood how people with college educations and even those with post graduate degrees can be so gullible to such obvious media misinformation." You quoted an opinion piece published in Forbes, an opinion piece that relied on a long-debunked petition and a lie about where the consensus number comes from. "Gullible to such obvious media misinformation," indeed.
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  10. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    Mike, don't you think it would be nicer if it was warmer up in Canada. Imagine if it wasn't a deep freeze every winter where you live.
  11. ksstathead

    ksstathead Moderator

    Yes, I'm sure Mike would feel good catching some rays as the die-off begins.
  12. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

  13. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    Since 97% of scientist (see boofs post) are convinced the climate is getting warmer, why not embrace the change. It's getting warmer guys, might as well enjoy it.

    After all that is what the climate does, it changes. Just ask the wooly mammoths.
    Last edited: Jun 24, 2014
  14. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    You'll enjoy having Phoebeisis move in with you after the ocean submerges his house (and millions of others in coastal areas)?
  15. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    Oh well that is what happens when the climate change. Better prepare for it now. There is no stopping it at this point. I would say Phoeb had better move now and beat the rush. You can live in my basement if you want.

    The point is, the climate is not stagnant and is always changing. It is getting warmer and the ice caps are going to melt. Might as well do something now rather than wait. At least learn how to swim. BTW this is not something new. Ask a wooly mammoth.

    I have decided to embrace the change. Warmer, yes. I think I like it.
  16. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    I say buy some property 3 blocks from the beach, and let the beach come to you.
  17. JohnM

    JohnM Well-Known Member

    Earth Climate change: May, 2014 breaks global temperature record. Records go back to 1880.
    Georgia Tech climate scientist Kim Cobb and other experts say there's a good chance global heat records will keep falling, especially next year because an El Nino weather event is brewing on top of man-made global warming.

    Looks like it has been getting warmer in Canada too. See how the ice caps have changed in the Arctic from 1979 to 2012:
  18. worthywads

    worthywads Don't Feel Like Satan, I am to AAA

  19. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    The rise in sea level is the best marker for "Average Global Temperatures"
    and for how much land ice is melting-and how much the sea water is expanding because of heating up.

    Explain away the rise in sea level-then anti climate change folks will be on better footing
    Heck claim "it is the sun,and we really can't measure average solar output very well"
    You anti folks would be on better footing just saying "yes temps are going up-but it is the sun's fault"
    That way you would still be effective shills for the coal/oil/ industry.
    NG folks-and fracking folks-should favor "Global warming"-since they are much better than coal-and better than oil by a bit too I think.

    Big Aside-
    ALS- went to a gun show-in Kenner -suburb of NOLA- last Sat.
    AR type rifles-pretty much back to "normal prices
    Lowest asking price-for a no forward assist model-was about $650
    and asking for a REAL COLT- 6920 I think-removable handle 16"-MAGPOL?? "plastic"
    think it had that Pick-a-whatever- slice your hands arms up mounting rail/rails
    was $915 asking-so maybe $875 or so actual-for a REAL COLT(not sure who makes Colt ARs-does Colt actually have a factory)

    In any case -all the publicity- on the recent "crazy person multiple shootings"
    has had ZERO effect on prices
    Bet the GUN SHOW and Gun sellers would prefer a spike.

    What is up with 22's?? 17 cents a round??-you can buy 223 for 35 cents a round?
    Who pays that for 22's?
    Folks must be stupidly hoarding(why hoard 22's-not as if it would be useful to hold off hoards of post apocalypse looters or zombies)?

    Anyway-other than 22's everything is back to "normal"
    Except MINI14's are as expansive as AR's-
    During most of their lifetimes-a mini 14 was 1/2 the price of an AR-
    Supply and demand in action i guess.
  20. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    This is just utter bunk.

    The last 29 years have been warmer than the long term average. And the last decade has been the warmest since records have been kept.

    There used to be 150 glaciers in Glacier National Park. There are now TWENTY FIVE.

    The ocean is getting more acidic, because it is absorbing carbon dioxide, which forms carbonic acid.

    The tundra is melting - so-called permafrost - is not actually permanent.

    The ocean level is rising more quickly. Algae is growing on the surface of the ice in Greenland, and melt lakes are lowering the albedo, as well.

    There is about 4-5% more evaporation now, and this is why we are seeing record rainfalls all over the place - the most recent in Minneapolis. It is also why we have longer lasting and more intense droughts.
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