'13 C-Max Energi

Discussion in 'Ford Hybrids' started by GaryG, May 5, 2013.

  1. Paymaster

    Paymaster Well-Known Member

    They gave me $20,000 for mine. I let them know I also was looking at a Volt and I was offered $20,000 by one of them, which was the truth. In fact I very nearly bought a Volt but my wife really likes the CMAX and she said she felt claustrophobic in the Volt. They have also known all along I wasn't happy about the mileage(although I am upper 40's mostly now) so I think they were trying to take care of me. Most of my wife's driving is around town so the plan is for now for her the get the energi when her Leaf lease runs out and then I will get a Volt or something else if there is a better plug in with at least the battery range of the Volt. Or if I hit the lottery a Tesla. I love driving electric.

    I felt the same way about Ford as well. Especially when they said they said they didn't know the CMAX wouldn't get the EPA mileage because they didn't test it. Did they seriously expect anyone to believe that? I hate being lied to. In the end though with the deal I got it seemed like a good compromise for me to be able to drive some electric for a year or so and my wife to get a car she likes later that should get her great mileage when she is in town.
    Last edited: Oct 6, 2013
  2. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I'm looking forward to hearing about your Energi experience.
  3. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    Would like to know abiut EV Now performance. The top speed allows for short highway trips, but I know the EV Now performance is limited and could affect acceleration.
  4. dr61

    dr61 Well-Known Member

    I have not been disappointed with EV Now performance. Lots of torque around town, and no problem accelerating up to freeway speeds for short freeway drives. Of course the car accelerates more quickly in EV Later or EV Auto at full throttle, so those modes should be used for passing (for instance on two-lane country roads).
  5. CmaxVsPrius

    CmaxVsPrius Moderator

    I think I just got a pretty good deal on a C-max Energi today. $8,000 out the door.

    Before $4007 tax credit of course, unless the IRS screws me next year. :eyebrow: It was listed at $38,415 on the sticker. It is the top 303A auto park option, has the stupid sunroof and the damn extra cost white color. Hey, it's the one they wanted to get rid of the most. It shows that out the door price included almost $650 in fees and taxes.

    I found a dealer willing to give me about ~$25,000 for my 2013 C-max Hybrid SEL. It was low miles, <10K, and had the 303A auto parking package. I can't be sure of the actual trade-in price because who knows what the dealer is actually discounting the Energi without any trade-in. They showed a trade-in price of $28,250 against list price. That would be about what I paid for it last Oct.

    And my Ford lybrid check came today for $550. That counts too, no?
  6. Paymaster

    Paymaster Well-Known Member

    Congratulations and nicely done. They had one very similar to the one you got at the dealer I bought from but my wife didn't want white and it was a little more than I wanted to spend. I would have liked the auto park and power lift gate options though.

    I drove mine for the first time today. I had to wait for the door chime recall to be done. Just about 125 miles with an indicated 89 mpg or 69 MPGe. This was fully charged at home and then charged a couple times at work ( for an indicated 25 miles total range). When I went to work this morning I got a block away, or 25.5 miles total before the ICE kicked in. I'll take that. I still have to bump up the tire pressure.

    It is in the garage charging now. It sounds like a vacuum cleaner in the back. A fan for the battery I would assume. The Leaf doesn't have anything like that.
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2013
  7. CmaxVsPrius

    CmaxVsPrius Moderator

    I don't know what I'll do for charging. I pick it up later next week. My heated basement garage for my 10 unit condo has no darn plugs at all. Not even 110v. Ha, what was I thinking. I gotta call the property manager tomorrow ;)
  8. Paymaster

    Paymaster Well-Known Member

    So far so good with the Energi. I have been leaving it in EV auto and acceleration is more than adequate. Once I did have to kick the Ice on to get onto the freeway. It tried hard to stay in EV so there was a definite delay before that happened but it wasn't a problem.

    Below is today's drive to and from work, 25.8 miles each way. I was able to charge at work. It went into the hybrid portion of the battery both times but the Ice never came on. It took some work but not that much and I stayed off the freeway.

  9. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    That's impressive. Good work!

  10. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

    It certainly sounds like the (factory?) FE meter is not counting the electricity? 300MPG+ has to be just "counting" the gasoline. If one *did* count the electricity, that would likely bring it down to 100MPGe or so?

    The 157MPGe for electric only is plenty impressive.
  11. CmaxVsPrius

    CmaxVsPrius Moderator

    How about 50 miles one way. If you got 25 miles in EV, the say 40mpg as a hybrid, what does that equal in total mpg?
    I pick my Energi up tomorrow. I found a 110v outlet near my garage spot. I'm interested to see my next utility bill.
  12. RedylC94

    RedylC94 Well-Known Member

    If I understood the problem correctly, your overall mpg would be
    where x equals the gasoline equivalent of electrical energy consumed. Ignoring electrical consumption, that would be 80 mpg.
  13. Paymaster

    Paymaster Well-Known Member

    There is a setting for the display to show fuel only or fuel + electric which it lists as MPG or MPGe. After 424.7 miles I am at 84.1 MPGe or 143.9 MPG according to the display.
  14. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    The impact on your electric bill will depend on whose 110V outlet you found...

  15. GaryG

    GaryG Well-Known Member

    At 2692.7 miles, I'm at 345.7mpg. 2516.7 miles were in EV, 365 miles of regen, and I used 7.78 gal. and 543KWh. Never reset from first tank I'm still working on. This puts me with 176 miles on the ICE. My MPGe does not come up till I reset trips 1 & 2.

    Can someone calculate my MPGe with this data?

  16. CmaxVsPrius

    CmaxVsPrius Moderator

    Can we call it Hypermiling if we get more than 21 miles, before any ICE use, from a 21 mile charge? That's what my Energi was reading with a full charge at the dealer.
  17. Paymaster

    Paymaster Well-Known Member

    I don't have my car today but I could have sworn if I changed the display settings from fuel only to fuel+electric it changed all the MPG numbers to MPGe numbers including in the trip odometers. It doesn't do that for you?
  18. GaryG

    GaryG Well-Known Member

    Thanks,I found it and my my last trip was 117mpge and I have a lifetime of 112mpge.

  19. Paymaster

    Paymaster Well-Known Member

    Cool. I had read elsewhere that Ford had made some changes to what was displayed later in the model year and thought maybe that had changed as well. Well above EPA with a CMAX, nicely done.
  20. Paymaster

    Paymaster Well-Known Member

    Hey Gary, I also posted some of this on the cmax energi forum (rkk over there) but I thought some people over here might be interested

    Here is a Wikipedia link to MPGe


    The main part seems to be this:

    "The ratings are based on EPA's formula, in which 33.7 kilowatt hours of electricity is equivalent to one gallon of gasoline"

    Using your numbers above I come up with this:

    543KWh used / 33.7 = 16.11 gallons equivalent
    Actual Gas used 7.78 gallons

    Total = 23.89 gallons equivalent

    2692.7 total miles / 23.89 = 112.71 MPGe. The .71 difference is probably rounding. If I remember right the Volt doesn't show an MPGe number but I would guess this is how voltstats comes up with one (although in reading further over there it might be a best guess based on the information they get). No one over there is over 100 MPGe(well one is but it also shows almost 8600 mpg with the ICE so I am guessing something is wrong there). I would say you are doing pretty good. Note: I am not trying to start anything with the Volt owners here:) I almost got one and am still planning on it in a year or so.
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2013

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