Poll: Do You Think America Should Dissolve

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by bestmapman, Nov 12, 2012.


Do you think the US should split up.

Poll closed Dec 12, 2012.
  1. Yes, I think the US should split up

    4 vote(s)
  2. No, the US should not split up

    25 vote(s)
  1. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I hope to start working for a company that has facilities in both Batavia IL and British Columbia. Then maybe next year I can move to Vancouver , where people and government are more civilized and responsible.
  2. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

  3. 50 mpg by 2012

    50 mpg by 2012 Well-Known Member

    Very intersting discussion concerning deeply felt convictions.

    Well said!

    I have a puzzle for you ALL regarding abortion and birth control.

    I will first provide my credentials: CHRISTIAN, male, white, middle class, married, 2 adult children.

    Our youngest, an attractive daughter now 47 years old, is a brain injured from birth due to high forceps crushing her skull. She is permanently disabled due to epilepsy/seizures, thyroid, learning disability/developmental disability. Lots of complex meds. She learned to speak at 7 years and read at 12 years.

    She was physically maturing at age 11, attractive, and in public school special education. The boys noticed and were “chasing” …

    We had an endocrinology appointment at a prestigious teaching Medical University in Texas. After the checkup we asked the doctor about birth control since our daughter’s judgment was marginal at best and degree of self-control might even be worse. Keep in mind she could not care for a cat.

    The doctor stated that she should have ALL of the children she could, that simple direct and with great conviction.

    Questioning this guidance, we spoke to the department head. The response was MORE BLUNT! The doctor was WRONG in his recommendation in that he knew there was a >80% probability that any of our daughter’s offspring would be in worse physical and intellectual shape than she was.

    You have all seen the lawyers’ ads to sue for pharmaceutically induced birth defects. Well, she has been on many of those suspect meds.

    She has had several $200Ks in special ed/therapy … some times/year, medical and support services bills easily exceeding $130k/year.

    What would you do?

    Are any of our “pro-life” friends willing to pay the bills, potentially well over $250k/year … donate manhours (often 24-7), or take on life-time care of one of these precious offspring.

    IF so, THEY need to step up NOW ... and ... JUST DO IT!

    Odds are that local hospitals, Dept. of Social Services, school districts (special ed depts) and local churches already know who needs help.
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2012
  4. 50 mpg by 2012

    50 mpg by 2012 Well-Known Member

    Just a clue about the typical voters’ opinion …

    Senator Sanders BUDGET DEFICIT POLL – Preliminary RESULTS (want a mandate???)

    Do you support or oppose each of the following to help reduce the nation's budget deficit?

    Raising taxes on households with incomes of 250 thousand dollars per year and higher
    Support 2556
    Oppose 39
    Unsure 11

    Raising taxes on the middle class
    Support 252 ... the highest "republican" position ... interesting ... apparently >15% of the "middle class" respondents are willing to help in hard times*
    Oppose 2045
    Unsure *300

    Reducing Social Security benefits
    Support 61
    Oppose 2478
    Unsure 54

    Reducing Medicare benefits
    Support 51
    Oppose 2497
    Unsure 44

    Reducing military spending?
    Support 2369
    Oppose 111

    Unsure 121
    Total Submissions: 2608 (as of Tuesday, November 13, 2012 6:30 PM)

    EDIT: If these numbers are representative then it appears there was a mandate regarding the issue differences between Democrats and Republicans. The last time I saw the Bernie's poll data the respondent count was over 8.5k but the ratios had not change by any notable degree.

    It appears that 5~10% in Sanders' poll is relatively consistent with the poll in this thread.

    It is sad that they are so angry that they would rather destroy the US than try to find common ground solutions.
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2012
  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Al:

    I do not believe his announcement to move to Australia was to avoid paying taxes?

    Australia - Individual income tax rates

    $180,001 and over: $54,547 (30.03%) plus 45c for each $1 over $180,000.

    If he continues to be an American citizen living in Australia, it is even higher with $180,001 and over paying $63,000 plus 45c for each $1 over $180,000.

    Australian companies are taxed at a flat rate of 30%. While Capital gains are only subject to tax at the time the gain is realized, they are taxed at the same rate as income.

    Most of his income earned will be from Cap gains on the sale of his stock to live on for the rest of this life and Australia's VAT is a pretty high as well IIRC? What I suspect is that he will sell his Apple shares and whatever else he owns (whatever he has left if any?) at our 15% rate and then bank it for the Australian move.

    Houston, I am with you 100% although I do believe we need a middle class tax hike back to at least the 2008 levels to help pay down the $15 Trillion we have outstanding.

    Last edited: Nov 18, 2012
  6. 50 mpg by 2012

    50 mpg by 2012 Well-Known Member

    Anyone that wants to help can simply send a "donation" to the US Treasury specifing to pay down the National Debt.

    That does not even require a statutory tax or a tax form. Who knows ... it might even be a charitable contribution.

    I wonder how many of the "greatful top 10%" do that ...

    Every little bit helps you know.
  7. worthywads

    worthywads Don't Feel Like Satan, I am to AAA

    We want somebody else to pay. Even the most adamant high tax advocates won't give more without force.
  8. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    Isn't that the truth. I can't tell you all the people I know who have that get the rich attitude bragging about the side jobs they have that are paying under the table. It is a really big problem with this economy and if taxes go up in January it's only going to get worse. I have employees telling me stories every week of this person and that person they know that stayed on unemployment for 99 weeks so they could work a full time job paying under the table. Before this down turn I know a few Union guys who would get voluntary six month layoffs and spend the other six months working for cash while collecting unemployment benefits.
  9. 50 mpg by 2012

    50 mpg by 2012 Well-Known Member

    So, what's new?

    Some people, regardless of their economic status, will try to "game" the system.

    Has greed replaced intergity ... as a general standard of behavior?

    Sadly, according to what some of you folks are saying ... apparently so. :(
  10. CRT1

    CRT1 Newbie McNewbster

    I don't think so, but it is tolerated far more that it should be. Using one injustice to justify another is not the way to build a better world.
  11. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Greed-is the basis of capitalism.
    Who "needs" $200,000,000??
    Call it what you want- but greed drives many many people.
    Greed and the power $$ brings-drive people.
    $$ is good
    Loving $$$ -not all good- because them you screw other people- it pisses them off-and they don't vote for you-or French Revolution- Chinese Revolution Russian Revolution (any of them)they cut your head off-put a bullet in your head neck or head and neck.
    So countries with armed citizens-have to be very careful
    Lotta these anti gov groups-they usually have an anti wall street anti jewish conspiracy aspect to them-and they are armed
    Sorta "little bird in in mine early warning system"-more of these groups when the country is pissing on the poor whites- Depression-those bank robbers-thugs murderers- were admired because they stole from the rich
    Same thing now- but we are MUCH better armed
    (on average not individually since many of those 30's robbers-BARs Thompsons-1911's-steel bullet proof vests)-were very well armed)
    So yeah- promoting the middle class by redistributing-taxing rich who were overpaid-important-getting jobs- very important
    Yeah we are a violent bunch-Europeans-violent history -USA violent history
    "Violence is as American as Apple pie"
  12. BlueStateGuy

    BlueStateGuy New Member

  13. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Why? Researchers point their fingers at a range of reasons, including the preponderance of windy and sometimes mountainous two-lane roads in rural areas.

    Windy-means winding probably but wind won't help either.
    Yeah-rural roads= dangerous roads- 1940's roads with 2012 speeds and traffic
    Bad shoulders poor site lines sharp curves lotta 1/2 tons that will flip
  14. CRT1

    CRT1 Newbie McNewbster

    Wow, who would have thought Massachusetts would be the safest state? The upside of aggressive driving is that everyone is paying attention! Ha ha . . .
  15. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

    High density population and a lot of public transportation. Road deaths don't tell the whole story.
  16. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    It is a good thing this one went nowhere of the gun owners would have been shooting their neighbors because they originally lived in the "wrong" state! jk ;)


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