Poll: Do You Think America Should Dissolve

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by bestmapman, Nov 12, 2012.


Do you think the US should split up.

Poll closed Dec 12, 2012.
  1. Yes, I think the US should split up

    4 vote(s)
  2. No, the US should not split up

    25 vote(s)
  1. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    Given the current divided political sentiment in the US, do you think that the US should split into separate countries.
  2. Indigo

    Indigo Witch with wry sense of humor

    We should absolutely split along Blue/Red lines. The only thing to be ironed out would be an agreed-upon set of neutral travel corridors that citizens of both countries could use.
  3. worthywads

    worthywads Don't Feel Like Satan, I am to AAA

    Why neutral corridors? Red doesn't need corridors while it seems blue does.

    Maybe look to Canada or Mexico.

    The Colorado river will dry up before it hits California for sure.
  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Who has the most nukes? I want to be on that side so when they start cooking off, at least I will get to watch the first salvo before being burned to a crisp with the retaliatory strike ;)

    Just, you are down 3:1 at this point in time :rolleyes:

  5. Indigo

    Indigo Witch with wry sense of humor

    I could be mistaken, but I think the majority of the nukes are on submarines. Losing the poll won't bother me, since it might indicate that America is not as devolved as I fear it is.
  6. aca2983

    aca2983 Well-Known Member

    Not a very illuminating poll. The country is roughly 50/50 along partisan lines. How is that different than it ever has been?
  7. worthywads

    worthywads Don't Feel Like Satan, I am to AAA

    Agreed, this is nothing different, when it comes down to it there is no division that would be agreeable, yet there is no imminent civil war either. Just wack jobs on both extremes posturing.
  8. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    Hmmm, should the US split up, or spit up... LOL

    Personally, I feel this is a decision best left to the states to decide individually. I am very much a states' rights kinda guy. If something isn't specifically spelled out in the constitution, then the states should decide it.

    I don't feel that its gotten bad enough that a breakup is warranted, but we cannot dismiss the possibility that another civil war is possible. I would rather see a peaceful separation than another civil war.

    One thing that the blue states don't seem to realize, is that most of this country's farms and food production is located in red states. If there was a breakup or civil war, the blue states would be screwed.
  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi 08Escape Hybrid:

    Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa, Illinois, Ohio and California are all the Blue states would need when it comes to sustenance. With the Nukes at sea, that means California, Oregon, Washington on the West Coast, Maine down to Virginia would be their bases on the East Coast... You know, in case the Red States get a little feisty ;)


    Red states would rely on Kansas and Nebraska for its bread basket. With AGW deniers in the Red States, that would be a risky bet for the long term health of the general Red State populace. Kansas was really dry this summer as was Nebraska.

    109 degrees and up to 111 degrees F in central Nebraska this past June.​

    Red gets the Energy producing states of Montana down to Texas. Prices are dictated by world demand however so they could sell to us or ship it over to Europe for the same price.

    Blue gets Nevada for sin, Colorado for winter vacations and Florida for summer ones. Not sure how the Red States will deal with losing Disney World and Disney Land in the same deal? Maybe "Oprey Land" (is there such a thing?) or possibly Branson could take its place for the young ones? Hate to be a Red State child :ccry:

    Blue's heavy manufacturing base would become Detroit and Ohio.

    Red gets the entire south from South Carolina to Mississippi and on up into Tennessee for their heavy manufacturing base.

    On the debt front, only Texas is in the top 5 of the 50 from the Red States. For the Blue States, California, New York, New Jersey and Illinois take that dubious honor. Maybe the Blue States would go broke first?

    Of course the red states populace would overthrow the red states government within 5 years because there would be little to no social services, no road or bridge repairs, and health care only for those that could afford it after the unwashed masses run through their vouchers on "coupon day". Taxes on those making over $250K would be 0%, Corporations would be at 0% and everybody below $250K would pay 30% on their meager incomes because that is how trickle down works. "Buck up as you are lucky to have a job."

    I would not want to even think about it as it would go civil war within a couple of years let alone our world influence would be shattered allowing all kinds of despots to gain ground and cause havoc all over the damn place.

    China? They take over the world within a decade with no counterbalance.

    It would be ugly, stupid and unworkable for all concerned.

    And the score up to now is 5 against, 1 for.

    Last edited: Nov 12, 2012
  10. Indigo

    Indigo Witch with wry sense of humor

    Maybe, maybe not. The Red States would have to have customers for their food, and the Blue States would be eager buyers.Failing that, the Blue States believe in science, therefore they could start finding ways to get more food out of less land.
  11. 08EscapeHybrid

    08EscapeHybrid Moderator

    In practical terms, I don't see Florida staying with the blue states. They were borderline for Obama anyway, and just the logistics of being so far away from other blue states with red states in the middle. On top of that, even though the northeast and the west are both Blue, they're different flavors of blue. The styles of politicians although both liberal, are different. Probably the best result would be to make 3 countries.

    A division into 2, or possibly 3 countries has another impact though. We would no longer be a world power (Although if Obama keeps cutting our military, that may no longer be an issue anyway). Also, a good portion of the military is made up of folks from the red states.

    As far as the 0% corporate tax rate goes... I'm all for it. Why? Corporations don't pay taxes, PEOPLE pay taxes. All corporate taxes are hidden taxes on the people. The taxes are added into the cost of goods & services. McDonald's doesn't pay the taxes, YOU do by paying more for a Big Mac. Same goes for payroll taxes. Your employer doesn't pay those taxes, YOU do in a lower wage. Corporations and employers have become a means of collecting hidden taxes on the population.

    Personally, I favor abolishing nearly all taxes, and replacing them with a national sales tax. I would exempt food, clothing, medical, and the purchase of a primary residence from the tax. Anything else you buy would be subject to a 20% sales tax. Corporations would pay tax on the physical assets and supplies they purchase through the sales tax, but not on their earnings. There's no hiding income, no tax evasion. A huge cost savings is realized by downsizing the IRS. Money can be earned, and re-invested without paying any tax.
  12. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi 08EscapeHybrid:

    Defense spending has not been cut yet but with us being $16 Trillion in debt and the US outspending the next top 10 countries in the world "combined" plus 50%, when and where do you think the cuts should begin?


  13. CRT1

    CRT1 Newbie McNewbster

    It is a fallacy that there are "Red" and "Blue" states. The Redest state still voted ~25% for Obama and the Bluest state, ~30% for Romney. So if you split up the Union, you would have the same "problem" at the State level as you did on a national scale, then you would need to do the same thing within each state, then county, then town, then neighborhood and then even the household level? When would it stop? It would certainly bring a chill into my household if my wife made me stay on my half of the bed. :)

    The problem is not that we hold different views, that has always been and will always be the case in this (or any) country. The problem is that our culture has shifted to be "blame orientated" rather "take responsibility" oriented. We have collectively been avoiding responsibility for many, many years ($16T debt and counting) and everyone believes its someone else's fault. The politicians pump up this "blame the other guy" point of view to get votes. Fact is we all benefit from the spending directly or indirectly - a rising tide lifts all boats. Whether you or I would have spent the money that way or spend that much is another question, but does not absolve you or me from the responsibility that we have as Americans.

    It all boils down to RESPECT. Respect of self, respect of others, respect of Country. Everyone says they love this country and would do anything to save it, but they want 1/2 the country to move to Canada or succeed?!?!? That makes no sense. We are at the pinnacle of progress in all of human history. We are more productive, wealthy and comfortable than 99.9999% of humans every to walk the planet. Yet fewer and fewer people in our society seem happy/healthy. We really need to get back down to the basics and learn to understand and love each other and work together to build a more enlightened world - or we can continue to descend into the pit of hatred and blame. Its your choice.
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2012
  14. Blackbelt

    Blackbelt Well-Known Member

    America is fine...now as to Indigo.......;)
  15. Indigo

    Indigo Witch with wry sense of humor

    I tend to view the Red States as cancer. It would be disfiguring to have it surgically removed, but at least the patient would live.
  16. ILAveo

    ILAveo Well-Known Member

    And if it weren't, in a two party system that means that the minority party soon will shift in the direction of the majority. What has changed is the number of self-deluded ninnies among the bases of two parties. If all your news comes from Fox/Limbaugh/Drudge (or for that matter MSNBC) you're sure to have a distorted sense of reality that will only be checked by the occasional losing election or financial crisis.
  17. Blackbelt

    Blackbelt Well-Known Member

    Thank you for proving my point.:)
  18. WriConsult

    WriConsult Super Moderator

    No, the US should not spit up.
  19. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Dan:

    At 15:2 here on this poll, it "aint gonna happen" ;)

  20. worthywads

    worthywads Don't Feel Like Satan, I am to AAA

    Yeah like Monsanto would be in a blue state. Red won't let them in, red is against food science, must be organic.

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