Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by herm, Mar 19, 2012.
The tar sand bitumen extraction is turning First Nation's land into Mordor:
Are they being paid for it??
And just WHO is being paid?
In any case-looks grim-but localized to a few square miles right?? Canada is 3,000,000 sq miles??
First Nation-is that some specific tribe??
Herm-thanks for link-wonder what happened to our resident "in the ground H2 CH4 gasefication" member?? Constantly posted "Volts catching on fire will burn your house down" threads."
Forget his "name" but he had a thing about the Volt-and BP electrics.Had a point-they are overpriced short range low market share niche vehicles for now(except for Volt-which is good but pricy-GM turned out to be smarter than Nissan/Leaf)
Yeah when I win Megamillions I wil buy a Volt, -Prius plug in- and the best 2006 Suburban I can find.Might even buy a one off limo-Prius-200" or so for road trips.(wonder if those I see are photoshopped or real limo prius)
I won't buy a Escalade ESV- gotta keep the common touch-don't want to be your boy Mitt "wife has a couple of Cadillacs to run over 47%ers"
What happened to him/her ?? Volts will burn your house down guy?
all that industrial activity just looks beautiful to me.. and once the dirty bitumen is cleansed out of the soil it will be smoothed and landscaped again.. gently rolling hills with caribou grazing on the vegetation, then I can shoot the caribou
gasifycation in the ground always sounded iffy to me, how in the heck you control that process?.. there is a method where the freeze the water around the mine with liquid nitrogen, that forms a barrier to contain the gases, then they inject steam in the middle of the mine to melt the bitumen and then pump it out. Nasty..
Close up-mining always looks bad.
But wide lense-3,000,000 sq miles-not too bad.
These are small portions of the operation, and there are massive holding lakes - and they want to quadruple the size. They can already be seen from space.
The First Nation issues are huge - we committed genocide on them to take their land, and now they are pushed onto the areas where we had no other interests at the time - but now that there is something we want, we just take it. The people who live where these extraction operations are getting cancer, and the pollution of the water is huge.
The carbon is safely locked underground and bringing it up out of the ground is horribly polluting. Don't delude yourself in thinking anything else. A lot of water (that fills lakes about 60km wide) and a lot of natural gas is burned to heat it.
Canadian Tar Sands Mining Pictures
It does look like Mordor
maybe your ancestors committed genocide- ???
If so you should redress that wrong and return to where they/you came from and ask the descendants of whoever ran your ancestors off to give back what was/is theirs/yours!!
In any case-pretty sure mine were still eating potatoes 3500 miles away when various diseases-and bullets- killed these descendants of the Siberians off.
This is the History of The World-stronger kills runs off robs weaker
2300 or so years ago-a Gallic "chief" gave the Romans the low down on that
(when he was busy cheating them-thumb on scale-gold)
Romans-quick studies-took that to heart.
Yeah-can't guilt folks into much of anything-
and it PISSES them off-
Back to the oil sands-don't mean to take such offense-but WE GENOCIDE??
Of course CO2 is warming the earth-
Yes the Climate is probably warming-because 280ppm to 380 ppm
How much and will it be all bad-stay tuned-we'll see
If the midwest gets less rain/moisture-permanently it will be a HUGE deal
We'll see I guess.
Who is making BIG $$ from these operations?? Usually it can be narrowed down to a group of people-not just a faceless Corp
Someone is becoming fabulously wealthy doing this-
Just like slavery-richest people on earth were thos planters-
not that this approaches slavery in pure evil greed.
the owners of the land get rent and probably a percentage of the take.. but it may be Federal
the oil company doing the hard work..
the employees of that co., the local economy, gov bureocrats etc
the gov gets its cut..
the pipelines and train operators get their cut..
the refineries in the Gulf that make products using the tar..
the local Texas economy etc
the US gov gets it cut also..
Herm-ever the shill for THE MAN- in this case BIG OIL!!
Next you will say folks-fishermen etc-made out like Bandits during after the Gulf Oil Spill!
Of course they did-it was like welfare for coastal folks
One fisherman complained on talk radio that he "made a lot more income than he could prove because his tax return-didn't indicate his true income since he was paid in cash"
No kidding-that actually happened!!
"I cheat on my taxes-so I'm being screwed by BP"
Disasters frequently boost the local economy(by taking $$ from somewhere else of course-and if that $$ is from big corps it means the affluent shareholders are paying for some fisherman to not fish)
If that $$ comes from European oR Chinese re-insurers-it is a big plus for the USA economy.
So oil spills-are good things-if it is furriner $$
Oh-not good for wildlife or plants of course-but if the habitat is intact-they usually recover-eventually.
Our Pols-also cashed in on the spill-renting out their boats docks marinas camps-yeah-
spills by well funded Corps-good for local economies-and pols of course!!
So Herm-you are claiming First Nation folks are getting their cut-with their pols no doubt getting the lion's share??
But Neil implies they would prefer to be living like their ancestors did-before his (and maybe your) ancestors murdered most of them??
Neil-just kidding-but I just couldn't resist.
They just have to make the most of it-and we have to use less energy-and maybe move inland in my case.
No idea who gets the money..
a quick correction, naphta is used to dilute the bitumen.. its not a gas but a liquid.. usually used to make gasoline or as lighter fluid, also known as white gas.. Coleman Fuel is the same thing but with the benzene removed. Naphta probably boils at the temperatures inside a pipeline. Its usually the first stuff that boils when they refine crude oil.
We'll see how the cleanup goes. If the situation in Michigan is anything to go by - it ain't gonna' go too well...
Toxic Corexit in the news
"Every three to four weeks, a cycle of horror repeats itself across Steve Kolian’s face. First it becomes itchy. Then the bumps appear. Then a raw, irritating redness sets in before the skin peels away in patches. Finally, it all disappears for a while.
Other parts of his body, however, seem to be in perpetual disrepair. Dizziness, nausea, diarrhea, bloody stools and cognitive issues surface intermittently, painful reminders of the toxic assault he and untold others endured following the April 2010 explosion on the BP Deepwater Horizon oil rig.
It reminded me of Dante's Inferno. The fumes were choking folks along the coast. Then you add the Corexit, and communities felt their lives became a laboratory, only they were the living experiment.
Kolian, 51, is convinced that his illnesses were triggered by a chemical product designed to disperse petroleum in water, a substance euphemistically marketed as “Corexit.” Now, three years after the disaster that left some 210 million gallons of Louisiana Crude and 1.8 million gallons of dispersant in the Gulf of Mexico, a growing body of evidence supports his contentions."
Why no pictures of this guy?
He sounds like he looks horrible??
Herm-any pictures of this fellow- Steve Kolian ??
Seeing is believing-not seeing....
he probably cleans up and grows new skin in a couple of hours.. Do you want to feed fish contaminated with this stuff to your cats?.. DO YOU?.. yes you do, and take some pictures
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