One Group’s Strategy to Derail Oil Pipelines, Raise Energy Prices

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by herm, Mar 19, 2012.

  1. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    Remember when the Brits controlled the opium trade in China?
  2. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Controlled- you mean FOUGHT A WAR to force the Chinese to keep accepting OPIUM-

    Yeah the Brits have been real princes-Still the Brits haven't poisoned their own babies lately-

    Obviously I would prefer all "furriners" stay out of the Gulf-
  3. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Yeah , can't we grow our own opium here ? We do just fine with cannabis ; no need to import THAT.
  4. ILAveo

    ILAveo Well-Known Member

    It's more complicated than that--if it always was easily biodegradable nature would've already "taken care of it" and we wouldn't be able to drill for it in the first place.
  5. 50 mpg by 2012

    50 mpg by 2012 Well-Known Member

    Can anyone tell me if the tar balls on the beaches of Padre Island, TX in the 1970s have ever bio-degraded out of existance ... YET?

    They were still there in the early 1990s on our last visit before moving back to NC.

    Storms would bury a lot ... but it would still squeeze out and cover your feet.

    Probably more has washed in since then ...
  6. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    The tactic of using solvents to breakup the oil before it got to the surface of the ocean seems to have worked well.. science keeps marching on.
  7. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Not sure why we-criminal types- don't grow coca or opium poppies?
    The places they grow-are mts-
    so maybe they need cool weather
    I assume there is "something" good about Afganistan(poppies)
    and the mts of SA whee they grow coca

    Certainly it could be duplicated in a green house (or indoors)-temp humidity light-whatever special nutrients they need?

    But it must be expensive to duplicate-or someone-drug cartel-would be doing it
    Guessing it takes a lot of land to grow $50,000 (wholesale) of cocaine or opium poppies
    Apparently you can grow that much marijuanna in a 2000 sq ft house??-several crops per year??

    Yeah must be some good reason they aren't grown here
  8. worthywads

    worthywads Don't Feel Like Satan, I am to AAA

    Not only do opium poppies and coca plants require much larger outdoor growing space, the penalties if caught are much greater than pot.

    Any motivated pot user can grow more than enough in a closet with a minimal effort.

    Heroin/cocain users aren't motivated by long term planning.
  9. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Super Moderator Staff Member

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  10. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    its hard to do without oxygen.. but lots of coal and oil have degraded into biomethane. Tar is the last residue to go.
  11. ILAveo

    ILAveo Well-Known Member

    Last I checked, they intended to bury the pipeline which generally implies low oxygen conditions around areas of likely release. (Note: I used to do groundwater contamination assessments/remediation for a living, so I probably have you at a disadvantage on this topic.)
  12. rfruth

    rfruth Well-Known Member

    Just what we need, a hurricane to stir up all the oil & Corexit sitting on the bottom of the Gulf from the Deepwater Horizon oil spill :eek:
  13. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Corexit ??
    I'm guessing the nastiest stuff is in pretty deep water
    Not sure just how much something 2000 feet deep gets disturbed by a storm?
  14. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    Liberals oppose Keystone and worry about AGW

    how did something like this become political?

    "Keystone XL. The survey found that two-thirds of Americans (66%) favor building the pipeline, which would transport oil from Canada’s oil sands region through the Midwest to refineries in Texas. 23% oppose construction of the pipeline.

    Support for the pipeline spans most demographic and partisan groups, according to Pew. Substantial majorities of Republicans (82%) and independents (70%) favor building the Keystone XL pipeline, as do 54% of Democrats. There is a division among Democrats: 60% of the party’s conservatives and moderates support building the pipeline, compared with 42% of liberal Democrats.

    Global warming. 69% said there is solid evidence that the average temperature on earth has been getting warmer over the past few decades—little changed from last October (67%), but up 12 points since October 2009. Four years ago, just 57% saw solid evidence of global warming and 36% said it was mostly caused by human activity.

    Among those who see evidence of global warming, more say it is caused mostly by human activity (42% of the public) than by natural patterns in the earth’s environment (23%). 27% say there is no solid evidence of warming.

    However, the percentage of Americans who say that global warming is a very serious problem has slipped six points, from 39% to 33%, since last October. Current opinions about whether global warming is a very serious problem are similar to those in 2009 and 2010.

    Pew noted that there has been a sizable partisan gap in views about whether there is solid evidence of global warming since the Pew Research Center began asking this question in 2006.

    In the current survey, almost twice as many Democrats (87%) as Republicans (44%) say there is solid evidence that the average temperature on earth has been rising. Further, Democrats are three times as likely as Republicans to say that human activity is mostly causing global warming (57% vs. 19%).

    Beyond the wide gap between parties in opinions about global warming, there also are differences among Republicans and Democrats.

    Moderate and liberal Republicans are far more likely than conservative Republicans to say there is solid evidence of global warming (57% vs. 37%) and are more likely to say it is mostly happening because of human activity (27% vs. 16%).

    Most liberal Democrats (92%) and conservative and moderate Democrats (85%) say there is solid evidence of global warming. But far more liberal Democrats (72%) than conservative and moderate Democrats (51%) say the earth is getting warmer mostly because of human activity."
  15. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

  16. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    Neil seems like an alarmist thing to say since we are not seeing the expected warming..
  17. NeilBlanchard

    NeilBlanchard Well-Known Member

  18. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    whats really going on

  19. basjoos

    basjoos Well-Known Member

    The special effects should be coming out of the other end. The methane released by cows and other ruminants is generated in the anaerobic fermentation tank called the rumen (where cellulose is broken down into sugars) and is then burped up. This constant methane generation is also why, unlike with horses, you'll never see a living cow laid out flat on its side. The rumen has to remain upright so gases can be released out the top and out through the esophagus, and liquids/solids settle to pass on to the next stage of the digestive process. If a cow laid on its side for any length of time, the methane couldn't escape and its rumen would bloat. Unlike horses and humans, cows rarely fart.
  20. herm

    herm Well-Known Member

    Interesting stuff.. how does it work in horses?

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