Gen 2 Prius Keeps Going and Going and Going

Discussion in 'Toyota Prius Family' started by xcel, Jan 8, 2011.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    [​IMG] Prius longevity proven mile after mile.

    [​IMG]Wayne Gerdes - CleanMPG - Jan 8, 2011

    Jesse Rudavsky’s Massachusetts based 2005 Prius-II on the Gulf of Saint Lawrence

    An update…

    Just over a year ago, his 2005 Prius hit 200k miles. Today, it has breached the 252k mile mark with the same engine batteries and driveline. In doing so, his Prius has been the most reliable car he has ever owned. Over 252k miles and not even a brake job. No suspension work, no exhaust work. Nothing, zero, zilch, nada, rien!!!! Nothing but basic oil and air filter and tranny fluid changes.

    According to Jesse, the car still rides and drives like the day he purchased it in February of 08 with 84,354 miles and still easily hits the EPA under normal driving conditions.

    He has taken many road trips of course including a trip to South Dakota and Wyoming in the fall of 2008, Alabama last year plus several trips to Florida and Wisconsin. The car has also seen the top of Mount Mitchell in NC at 6,684 feet. He hopes to get back to Alaska as he did in 2005 with his gen one Prius sometime in the near future.

    Jesse’s only complaint is the gas tank bladder which from a blinking indicator to first click can only hold 8 gallons in winter temps.

    There is no indication of battery degradation and he fully expects to easily surpass the 349,531 miles he placed on his gen one Prius. That vehicle was purchased with approximately 84,000 miles so between his first and second gen Prius’, over 433,000 miles have been accumulated which is certainly noteworthy!

    Finally, he strongly recommends the technology.

    Other vehicle’s in Jesse’s immediate family fleet include his 2005 Ford Escape Hybrid, his girlfriends 2008 Nissan Altima Hybrid and his father’s 2005 HCH with a CVT. A very well rounded hybrid fleet indeed!
  2. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    Stories like this are what changed my opinion on hybrids.
  3. RichXKU

    RichXKU Well-Known Member

    For those of us keeping score at home, that's 115 miles a day every day since 2005 (from all owners).

    Or, 153 miles/day everyday since Jesse took ownership.
  4. GreenBlues

    GreenBlues Well-Known Member

  5. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Our 2006 hit 50,000 miles-
    ZERO problems-just oil changes.
    I wonder when I should change out the "transmission fluid"? Someone must have posted a DIY how to on it?
  6. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    50k is a good time to do it IMO. I did mine about then and the fluid came out pretty dark & ugly. I just did the second change on my wife's car at about 100k and the fluid looks better than the first interval.

    It's a pretty easy job. There are certainly DIYs around if you search. One thing you do need: a funnel and several feet of 1/2" or larger hose for filling. I can tell you from experience that it takes forever to fill through hose that is too narrow.
  7. EVuser

    EVuser Well-Known Member

    "Father time" that will likely determine the life of the Prius battery back and not the odometer.:flag:
  8. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk 2010 Prius (CAN Touring) Staff Member

    A few bit's of info:

    * Torque spec for fill and drain bolts is 29 foot pound. Both are round cap and require a 3/8" socket drive. I believe both bolts are visible behind the maintenance flap, in vicinity of engine oil filter and drain bolt.

    * Capacity at refill for second gen is 3.8 liter, I think (get 4)

    * Always take the fill bolt out first, just in case there's a problem breaking it loose. Replace the washers (available from Toyota dealer)

    * Level check: With car on level ground, level should be 0-5 mm below lip of fill hole.

    I was researching a rear differential fluid change, and several people recommended getting a hand pump hose for doing the transfer. You might try that for transaxle. Get one that's not too expensive, but effective, and label it as Prius transaxle, don't use for anything else.

    I'm likely overzealous, but like to change transaxle fluid every couple of years, which works out to around 36,000 km's with our usage.

    Second Gen drain and fill bolt locations:


    Third Gen Prius is similar, except refill capacity 3.3 liter (again, get 4). Also, level check is spec'd as 0-10mm below fill hole lip. In both gen's I'd just fill till it starts to come back out. Here's 3rd Gen drain and fill bolt locations:


    With both illustrations it's pretty hard to visualize, get your bearings, but I suspect both are accesable through that maintenance flap. Not sure though ;)
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2011
  9. Harold

    Harold Well-Known Member

    I wonder if you can add the new oil thru the dip stick with the Prius? Come to think of it there is no dip stick? Does it have a dip stick? H
  10. ksstathead

    ksstathead Moderator

    No dip stick
  11. phoebeisis

    phoebeisis Well-Known Member

    Brick, Mendel
    Thanks for the info.

    I just checked my owners manual and the service supplement.
    I didn't notice ANY actual change interval for the trans fluid looking through all 120,000 miles of intervals?It just says to "inspect fluid"??
    What am I missing-surely it isn't supposed to last 120,000 miles???
    Needless to say it didn't give any spec for the fluid. Is it transmission fluid? Super secret Toyota fluid?

  12. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk 2010 Prius (CAN Touring) Staff Member

    It's described as "Toyota ATF WS" by an owner, in posting #2 of this thread. I can't find a spec in the Repair Manual (though it might be lurking somewhere in there...). Toyota is not the friendliest bunch when it comes to maintenance documentation...

    Just noticed, from that thread: the fill bolt may be hex head, needing either 24mm or 15/16" socket, ie: not round with a 3/8" socket.

    Here's another interesting how-to:

    And this page is a compendium of fluids, including Toyota ATF WS (Automatic Transmission Fluid - World Standard):
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2011
  13. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    Indeed, Toyota says that you don't have to change the transaxle fluid. The last time I walked into a dealer and asked for four quarts, the parts guy looked at me like I had just asked him for his wife's phone number. I walked out and ordered online when he subsequently tried to charge me $16 per quart. (Don't pay more than $7 or $8.)

    Common sense says otherwise. Lubricants pick up particulates and break down due to sheer and temperature in any application. Lab testing of used fluid by curious Prius owners have confirmed it. Transaxle failures are rare, but they have happened. $40 plus an hour of my time every ~50k or so is good practice and cheap insurance IMO.
  14. ALS

    ALS Super Moderator Staff Member

    Over at Prius Chat they are recommending at least with the 2010 changing it out at 30K intervals. 50K is in my opinion the high side of when you should change out the fluid.

    I changed out my Volvo 960's life time transmission fluid at eight years and 66K miles. It was a nasty chocolate brown and smelled really bad. The transmission holds 10 quarts and since then I drain the pan that holds 2.25 quarts every year and refill with fresh Amsoil.

    I'm planning with my 2010 Prius to change out the transmission fluid every 30K.
  15. Ophbalance

    Ophbalance Administrator Staff Member

    The only thing that seems to be missing from the new ride is the various bumper stickers... it just isn't the same ;).
  16. Gas-x

    Gas-x Well-Known Member

    I have fallen for this fuel sipper!! I currently drive a 2006 aveo sv and I will continue to until it won't move. However my next commuter might just be a gen2 Prius... I was worried about buying a hybrid and dumping a ton of miles on it but more and more I hear these stories and have changed my mind!! The savings in fuel and Toyota reliability is a good peace of mind. That said I have thought of the HCH as well. Only issue is my wife would like the next car I get to be an auto. I will miss having a manual but look forward to the day when I look out the window and see a sweet fuel sipping machine that offers nice ride, options and low cost of ownership.:) Till then my little orange jelly bean will do.:)
  17. Tochatihu

    Tochatihu Well-Known Member

    After some time not visiting CMPG, and here is another Prius bug/feature of long standing for me to blather about.

    The fluid in this gearbox does less 'things' than in a conventional automatic transmission. But it does transfer heat, and lubricate gears and balls, and transfers any little metal bits to the sump where you want them to sleep.

    Can it do so forever? Any number of official Toyota shops will tell you so. Analyses of drained fluid tell a different tale.

    So yes, please, consider changing the sauce from time to time. Yer mechanic finds that amusing? Consider changing mechanics.

  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Jesse’s Prius punches through 260K!


  19. 300kmileprius

    300kmileprius Well-Known Member

    260k miles so far so good same batteries

    Hi all Jesse here from MA. Just smashed 260k miles the other nite. So far so good. Same batteries and no problems. No unscheduled maintenance what so ever. Looking foward to hitting 300k.
  20. Gas-x

    Gas-x Well-Known Member

    Re: 260k miles so far so good same batteries

    Those cars are super reliable! Definately see one in my future! Maybe when your done with yours I can run it another 300k :D

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