09 VW Jetta TDI Sportwagen with a stick – Review Blog 05-27 to 06-03

Discussion in 'Diesel powered automobiles' started by xcel, May 18, 2009.

  1. SlowHands

    SlowHands Hypermiling Ironman

    Some stats I could find:
    2.0L turbocharged diesel, 6 spd manual trans (OD)
    peak 140HP at 4000 rpm
    peak 236 lb.ft. torque at 1750 rpm
    tank size: 14.5 gallons
    FE ratings: 30 city/ 41 hwy
    simple math: 41 x 14.5 = 594.5 miles

    I'm guessing this car won't be geared as tall as the BMW 335d so it will be interesting to see what speed corresponds to 1750 rpm
     
  2. jkp1187

    jkp1187 Well-Known Member

    It only takes a few minutes each day on this website to keep me honest about what the phrase "big MPG numbers" means. ;)
     
  3. dr61

    dr61 Well-Known Member

    I have this same car (except no options); 1750 RPM = 58 mph approx in 6th gear. I've averaged 40.5 mpg during break-in (3500 miles so far). Very sweet driving car. Zero problems so far.
     
  4. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Dr61:

    ___Welcome to CleanMPG!

    ___Ken, the entire list of 09 VW Jetta TDI specs are in the Automobile Specifications forum.

    2009 VW Jetta TDI

    ___Mike arrived uneventfully... All highway to O'Hare saw 66.1 mpg and barely made it back as we sat in a 1-hour Chicago style stop and crawl at 60.2 mpg.

    ___Took Mike out for a clinic and he nailed 75.x mpg around my gauntlet. He did excellent although that was all local stop light to stop light stuff. Tomorrow morning is the big day.

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
  5. dr61

    dr61 Well-Known Member

    By the way, I have found the two on-board MPG averages on the 09 VW TDI to be very accurate, compared to carefully topping up the tank and hand calculation. Average "1" resets itself after 2 hours stopped, so is useful for checking how you do in sort trips or continuous runs. Average "2" only resets when the reset button is held down; I use it to measure whole-tank average.
     
  6. Skwyre7

    Skwyre7 Well-Known Member

    Great to see everyone at EV Innovations today. I made it there and back without any issues (except for some bad storms on the way back home). I'll write more in the review of EV Innovations.
     
  7. brick

    brick Answers to "that guy."

    Well, I had a great time meeting the guys for dinner last night. I haven't been nearly as active on the forums lately as I would like to be but talking EVs with some fellow energy nuts really was a treat! I even had the pleasure of following Wayne on the way to dinner at what I can only assume was all-out hypermiling pace...oh, man :D . Puts me to shame. That inspiration alone has brought my current tank up four or five ticks since arriving to meet them yesterday. And I was 350 miles in...
     
  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    ___Sorry I have not updated the thread the past 4-days as we made it to Jud's just after dark this evening and have time to include the update.

    ___First tank ended up at 64.191 mpgUS over 908.5 miles. Tank FCD (Trip 2) read 65.2 mpgUS. The second tank is currently "smokin" with the Tank FCD (Trip 2) at 70.7 mpgUS and we are 641.3 miles out, display is showing 315 miles to Empty fuel gauge showing 7/16 of a tank left.

    2009 VW Jetta TDI Sportwagen Tank Details
    Column1Column2Column3Column4Column5Column6Column7Column8Column9
    DateOdometer (miles)DriverTemps (Degrees F)Segment Distance (miles)Tank Distance (miles)Segment FCD (mpgUS)Tank FCD (mpgUS)Notes
    05/28/094,108Ken5700NANATopped off in Chicago.
    05/28/094,232Ken57 - 64125.9125.960.760.7Day - Break and Driver Swap.
    05/28/094,401Wayne64 - 71167.3293.270.365.8Day - Break and Driver Swap.
    05/28/094,530Mike71 -78129.3422.566.365.9Day - Break and Driver Swap.
    05/28/094,645Jud73 - 80115.2537.768.166.4Day and Evening - Break and Driver Swap.
    05/28/094,799Ken66 - 73154.2691.959.564.7Night - Break and Driver Swap.

    05/29/094,889Wayne65 - 6889.2781.170.565.3Night - Irmo, SC - Kacey's for the night.
    05/29/095,016Jud68 - 84127.4908.564.465.2Day - Moorseville, SC - EV Innovations visit and Shell Fill. Tank Actual: 908.5 mi./14.153 gal = 64.19 mpg
    New Tank
    05/29/095,122Wayne82 - 84106.3106.384.484.4Day - Moorseville, SC to Columbia, SC for Dinner. 650' segment fall.
    05/29/095,152Mike73 - 7829.0135.369.980.8Night - Columbia, SC to Irmo, SC for the night.

    05/30/095,258Wayne71 - 76106.9242.265.173.1Day - Break and Driver Swap. 600' segment climb.
    05/30/095,394Jud76 - 81136.0378.266.270.3Day - Break and Driver Swap. 300' segment climb.
    05/30/095,565Mike78 - 82170.3548.571.670.7Day - Break and Driver Swap.
    05/30/095,657Ken76 - 7992.8641.370.370.7Day and Evening - Finish at Jud's Home. 200' segment climb.

    05/31/095,763Wayne63 - 69105.7747.071.170.7Day - Break and Driver Swap. 200' segment climb.
    05/31/095,879Mike69 - 74115.9862.975.771.4Day - Break and Driver Swap. 200' segment fall.
    05/31/096,028Ken64 - 79149.21012.175.171.9Day - Break and fuel-up. 200' segment fall. Tank Actual: 1012.1 mi./14.704 gal = 68.83 mpg

    ___The following was achieved with a fully packed vehicle including 800 + pounds of people and ~ 100 pounds of gear in the 09 Jetta TDI Sportwagen!

    First Tank

    3 guys and luggage from Chicago, IL to Cincinnati, OH
    4 guys and luggage from Cincinnati, OH to Irma, SC
    2 guys and luggage from Irma, SC to Mooresville, SC for the first fill.

    Tank #1: 908.5 miles on 14.153 gallons = 64.191 mpgUS

    Second Tank

    2 guys and luggage from Mooresville, SC to Irma, SC.
    4 guys and luggage from Irma, SC to Thomas, KY.
    3 guys and luggage from Thomas, KY to Chicago, IL for the second fill.

    Tank #2: 1012.1 miles on 14.704 gallons = 68.832 mpgUS

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    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
    Last edited: Jun 5, 2009
  9. bestmapman

    bestmapman Fighting untruth and misinformation

    Hi all,

    Great meeting Dale and Mike. Wayne and crew left the house about 9:00 this morning.
     
  10. Student Driver

    Student Driver Well-Known Member

    ... so I've been following this thread closely as I recently bought one of these. I eagerly await more details and tips about how to pull off such good numbers. I'm impressed considering this was a full load. Thanks!
     
  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Student Driver:

    ___You have one hell of a car, don't you :D

    ___Regarding loaded, that was an understatement.

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    ___Larry, notice the Diesel price vs. gasoline price at the station where we picked up Jud near Cincinnati?

    ___For a single driver, lower speeds and follow a Terrain following DWL solution in the hills and mountains. Minimum of 25 to 30 while climbing the steeper stuff and fuel cut downhill. On the flats, let its leanburn run and you are golden!

    ___For a loaded Sportwagen, more advanced techniques must be employed. I would like to go into detail further but we are trying to work out something with Audi and the A3 TDI launch and have to keep some of this write-up "off the books" until such time we start that event. If we receive the opportunity that is???

    ___Good Luck

    ___Wayne
     
  12. Student Driver

    Student Driver Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the tips Wayne. Hope you get the opportunity to do something with the A3 TDI too, and if so, hope they provide you with a manual trans.
     
  13. scottd

    scottd Jetta TDI

    Wow, those numbers are awesome. I guess I need a Wayne clinic. Can you do a video clinic and post it the next time you drive a Diesel?

    Thanks,
    Scott
     
  14. psyshack

    psyshack He who posts articles

    I'm wanting one of those TDI's. I enjoyed the one I drove.

    To bad the local VW dealer is so awful. worse than the Yota dealers. Such a shame.
     
  15. Taliesin

    Taliesin Well-Known Member

    A fellow I work with talked to his local VW dealer in Kentucky when he went home on leave (we are Air Force).

    The dealer down there pretty much said: The price is the price, you ain't talkin' us down cause we are the only VW dealer in a 300 mile radius.

    He turned around and told him: No problem. I'm in the military and will talk to the 3 VW dealers in Kansas City. Good Bye.
     
  16. scottd

    scottd Jetta TDI

    I would agree with this, most dealers have a bad reputation. Before you get a TDI, read this thread: http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22343
     
  17. bbb

    bbb New Member

    Wayne,
    I enjoyed reading this "review blog" and the recently posted full write-up in the "Car Reviews" section for the TDI Jetta Sports Wagon.

    As an owner of this car, I'm VERY curious to hear more about the specific technics used to yield such stellar mileage. Any idea when that may be coming to the forum?
     
  18. jcp123

    jcp123 Caliente!

    For what it's worth, Stevens Creek VW in San Jose, CA, treated us like royalty. I have never seen a service department that will bend over backwards for you like these guys did, and don't expect to ever again. They even did work under warrantee...after the warrantee had run out. They ALWAYS kept their promises on when the car would be ready, etc., always fixed the problem instead of saying they couldn't find it or putting a band-aid on it, and were generally just very respectful and upstanding folks.

    Anyhow, lucky you. A TDi wagon with stick is the exact configuration I'd want to drive, one of the few modern cars I'd really consider owning. Too bad they're saddled with urea injection and all that other regulatory crap - I think a lease for the term of the warrantee is in order :)
     
  19. dr61

    dr61 Well-Known Member

    Actually, there is no urea injection system on the 09-10 VW Golf and Jetta TDI's. Instead there is an NOX trap/converter. This works because of the relatively lower volume of NOX released in a smaller, lighter vehicle. Arguably the urea system used on larger Diesel vehicles would be less complex, and service is easy (urea top-up at oil change intervals).
     
  20. Gaujo

    Gaujo New Member

    Re : Re: 09 VW Jetta TDI Sportwagen with a stick – Review Blog 05-27 to 06-03


    Sorry to necro the thread, but I was really hoping to discover where that detail got to, and I have never been able to find this info in a follow up A3 TDI review. Can you please share? Also, what is a DWL?
     

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