Month of November 2021 (Nat'l Avg $3.402)

Discussion in 'The Daily Grind' started by Gord, Nov 1, 2021.

  1. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Wasn’t that the European hatchback version of the US Elantra?
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  2. Gord

    Gord Super Moderator Staff Member

    The US Elantra looks much bigger than the UK i10.

    Back home Wednesday night, shorter detour, non-motorway route, 49°F:
    19.1 miles - 190 Wh/mi or 5.3mi/kWh

    Ended up going in my wife's i10 as I’d put mine in the garage automatically when I got home and couldn't be bothered to get it out again! :rolleyes:

    Home charge Thursday morning, 42.9 miles added in 1' 17" - set limit to 50%

    To work Thursday morning, non-motorway route, 48°F:
    19.6 miles - 199 Wh/mi or 5.0mi/kWh

    Back home last night, non-motorway route, 57°F:
    19.6 miles - 190 Wh/mi or 5.3mi/kWh

    To free charger this morning, went for a 3.6 mile run down the canal path while it was charging:
    154.8 miles added in 48" - charging rate 191.5mph :cool:

    Free charger to work, non-motorway route, 49°F:
    19.2 miles - 204 Wh/mi or 4.9mi/kWh

    Range at 263.37 miles (77.4%)

    One thing we haven't mentioned with EV’s is battery degradation. My 2021 M3LR is rated in the UK at 360 miles but I bought it at 4+ months old and have never seen this number!
    I'm using Teslafi to get my data and on my first charge since signing up my range was 337.71 on 09/15.
    It's been as low as 332.29 on 10/24 and is currently at 340.27 (yes, higher than when I started!).
    The highest I've seen in 341.59 on 09/20.
    I've seen many figures quoted on various forums and the consensus seems to be expect a 5% drop in range in year 1 and then much smaller drops after that. Some owners get much bigger drops!
    I'm currently on -5.1% but it's been pretty stable since I got the car on 08/20.
    Watch this space!

    I'm really enjoying driving an EV, mine is super efficient yet powerful when you need it ;). I can't see me going back to ICE.
  3. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Today , 26 deg F in Northbrook , 25 in Elk Grove.
    But no snow or even frost !
    17.2 miles , fcd = 59.7 x .943 = 56.3 MPG.
    When I start to need heat or defrost , the FE for this commute will drop.

    For the record , I DO use heat or A/C sometimes. But only when on the highway.

    I saw the tail end of the lunar eclipse this morning at around 5:30 Eastern.
    I wish I had gotten up earlier.
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  4. litesong

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    Yes, looks like the driver who had the Tesla before you, poured the power to it, & didn’t care about any battery degradation. The Tesla now has a great owner, who is & will carefully baby the battery.

    Another thing to consider will be keeping the battery cells balanced. There are several monitoring electronics that give the Voltage of each individual cell. Is one called Torque Pro? Can’t remember the other names, either. I don’t know how you would bring individual cells back in line, once they read less than the other normal cells. News Coulomb, James & Kate, & Bjorn Nyland have used the monitoring electronics.
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  5. litesong

    litesong litesong

    On top of the Skagit River (& general flooding into the Salish Sea) over-topping of dikes, a number of major mountain downslope slumps (even preceding the flooding), have been uncovering extensive amounts of natural occurring asbestos. That asbestos is now considered to be in sufficient quantities in valley floodings, that specific asbestos precautions need to be taken during all valley clean-ups, including proper masking & handling of raw materials. Half a century ago(?), I remember that our Everett water sources started being filtered for natural-occurring asbestos in our water sources. Altho during past major floodings & clean-ups in our valleys, I never heard of specific cares & measures were needed against natural-occurring asbestos. I might think that landforms used for farms, ranches, animals & crops would also be affected in the long term.
    Anyhow, I never considered flood materials as anything but toxic.
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  6. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    The closest Hyundai we have would be the Accent hatch , now sold here only as a sedan.
    My son-in-law in England has a small Hyundai hatch with a 1.0 liter turbo , I think.
    I need to ask him which model he has.
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  7. litesong

    litesong litesong

    The US had a hatchback Elantra, that was slightly shorter than the regular & popular Elantra sedan. The hatch may have been a carry-over from some European Hyundai model. Wasn’t there an i20 Hyundai in Europe?
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  8. Gord

    Gord Super Moderator Staff Member

    I have seen i20’s and i30’s hatchbacks on our roads and the larger i40 sedan.
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  9. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Daughter told me that it is a 2019 Kia Rio hatch , similar to the i30.
    She also said it is a 1.2 liter and that it is a "GT-Line S ".
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  10. litesong

    litesong litesong

    See….Europe gets all the good names.
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  11. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Today ,36 deg F in Naperville and Elk Grove.
    35.0 miles , fcd = 62.6 x .943 = 59.0 MPG.
    ODO = 126,012
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  12. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Went for a drive up to the Skagit & Whatcom counties to see the flood damage. Altho I got as far north as Bellingham, I didn’t see the farther north Ferndale, Sumas, Emerson, Concrete areas, that flooded from the South, MIddle & North Forks of the Nooksack River, draining much warm rain & Mt. Baker & other mountains’ snow melt. At one point I was on the low farmland areas, inundated by the flood waters of the Skagit River. From Edison to Bayview, the roads I traveled had flooded fields extending for many miles on each side of the road, less than 2 feet below the road level. It was like being on a boat in the Salish Sea(Puget Sound), itself, without the wave rocking. It was incredible. Just a dip of 3 feet at any point in the many miles long road, would have made the road impassable. But, the road was drivable all the way through the region! At times, vehicles were parked on the road, that you carefully drove around. BUT, they couldn’t pull off the road any further, or they would have plunked into the flood waters!
    While in Bellingham, I saw & bought December’s Consumer Reports magazine on Vehicles. Had Tesla & Chevy Bolt repair statistics! I recommend people at this website should buy a copy.
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  13. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Today , 24 deg F in Northbrook and Elk Grove.
    17.2 miles , fcd = 61.7 x .943 = 58.2 MPG.
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  14. Gord

    Gord Super Moderator Staff Member

    Back home Friday lunchtime, non-motorway route, 56°F:
    19.4 miles - 197 Wh/mi or 5.1mi/kWh

    To the pub for lunch, 57°F:
    1.3 miles - 234 Wh/mi or 4.3mi/kWh
    1.3 miles - 147 Wh/mi or 6.8mi/kWh

    Friday afternoon, set off to go to my mum's and my wife decided she needed something from the house after all:
    0.7 miles - 278 Wh/mi or 3.8mi/kWh - a very short round trip
    4.4 miles - 133 Wh/mi or 7.5mi/kWh
    Mum's to mother-in-law's, 54°F:
    6.8 miles - 229 Wh/mi or 4.4mi/kWh
    Back home, 51°F:
    3.4 miles - 261 Wh/mi or 3.8mi/kWh

    Saturday morning went 3Up to collect new puppy, mainly motorway/highway, 44°F:
    37.6 miles - 185 Wh/mi or 5.4mi/kWh
    37.4 miles - 216 Wh/mi or 4.6mi/kWh - 49°F on the return trip

    Didn't drive my car Sunday but managed a 20.8 mile bike ride in 1' 9".

    To work this morning, non-motorway route, frosty 36.5°F:
    19.6 miles - 229 Wh/mi or 4.4mi/kWh

    Range at 130.8 miles (38.4%)
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  15. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Hey, Gord…..I’ll never get THAT with a Chevy Bolt! Besides……..its 7.52 Mi/kWh, good to the 3rd decimal place. Besides again……at 7.5Mi/kWh, it don’t matter if you have to pay for the electricity or NOT.
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  16. Gord

    Gord Super Moderator Staff Member

    That was the downhill leg of the trip! Still, nice to see :D
    I could go to town with decimal places lol but I thought 1 was enough! On Teslafi it gives me each trip miles to 2dp - that particular trip was actually 4.39 miles which I log in my spreadsheet and then for the forum I round it to nearest .1 :)
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  17. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Today , 21 deg F in Naperville , 21 in Elk Grove.
    35.0 miles , fcd = 61.1 x .943 = 57.6 MPG.
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  18. litesong

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    Bet a lot of leadfoot EV drivers, who don’t care about battery longevity, wouldn’t get half your Mi/kWh, even if it was on the downhill leg.

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  19. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    Today , 36 deg F in Naperville , 37 in Elk Grove.
    35.0 miles , fcd = 64.2 x .943 = 60.5 MPG.
    Going to Northbrook after work , going back home Friday morning.
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  20. Gord

    Gord Super Moderator Staff Member

    Once a hypermiler, always a hypermiler whether it’s in an ICE vehicle or an EV :D

    It’s funny I was talking to a guy at work who asks my advice about lots of things particularly financial stuff but he’d recently read about hypermiling and asked me what I knew! Quite a lot and he’s gone away and practiced some of the techniques and is doing really well. He then told me today he’s come to work on his bike a couple of days and found himself hypermiling on the bike :p

    Went straight to my mother's house from work Monday - taking her to Doctor's, non-motorway route, 43°F:
    22.4 miles - 188 Wh/mi or 5.3mi/kWh

    Car was a bit steamed up when we go back so had to use demist on full for a short time before going home, 41°F:
    4.4 miles - 311 Wh/mi or 3.2mi/kWh (uphill!)

    Early morning home charge - 45.7 miles added in 1'39".

    To work yesterday, non-motorway route, 36°F:
    19.6 miles - 229 Wh/mi or 4.4mi/kWh

    Back home last night, shorter non-motorway route, 44°F:
    19.2 miles - 199 Wh/mi or 5.0mi/kWh

    To work this morning, tried last night's shorter but slower route in reverse for a change, bit milder, 46°F:
    19.1 miles - 194 Wh/mi or 5.2mi/kWh - not too bad, used 18.1 rated miles for the trip.

    Range at 137 miles (40.3%)
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