2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Intro and Preview

Discussion in 'In the News' started by xcel, May 25, 2021.

  1. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    To walk 2-miles RT will take about 40-minutes or .6 hours. To charge at your home on an L1 (1 KW) or L2 (3.3 KW) more than likely costs $0.10 to $0.40/hour respectively. Is your time worth just $0.30/hour just for the RT walk? Free when you are wasting 1,000 hours to charge 100,000 kWh? What are you thinking???

    Wayne
     
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  2. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Oh, Wayne. I hope to “waste” much more than 1000 hours, unless I die sooner than i hope. I’m going to “waste” 10,000 hours. The large majority of the time, I won’t be FREE charging at 1kW or 3.3kW. Since the 2022 Chevy Bolt has an 11.5kW charger, I hope to FREE charge at 7kWs, but mostly at 9 to 10.5kWs, while I “waste” time. The problem is there are very few places in Washington state that will “waste” my time. As I continue to research places that have FREE L2 charging, I am finding many of those places are explorable & now I WILL explore all those “wasteful time” places.
     
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  3. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    You will be wasting your time as that walk back and froth everyday for a few cents worth of charge will not be worth it vs just plugging into your garage's outlet. You are going to find those chargers in use more often they available as the EV owner is shopping at that local Grocery store or mall.

    As Mike mentioned, why do you think anyone should supply you with free electricity when they have to pay for it?

    Anyone with a $35k Hyundai Ioniq 5 is not going to be searching out free L2s when they can charge at home for probably $0.10 to $0.20/kWh and on the road at $0.20 to $0.40/kWh.

    Wayne
     
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  4. litesong

    litesong litesong

    :confused:
    No one said boo, when rich people bought $150,000 EVs, got rebates from the gov’t, AND FREE electricity from Elon. But, me, who may not be able to buy a $20,000 EV, INCLUDING rebates, people complain about……even before I may get an EV. The complaints against me, say more about over-rich complainers than what I am due.

    So, boo to the rest of you. The fact is thousands of L2 chargers DO supply FREE electricity to EVs. If you’re so concerned about me getting FREE electricity, you must work to rescind every FREE-GIVING L2 charger, & show yourself to be the Grinch That Stole Christmas.
    Where’s my sub-$20,000, 2022 Chevy Bolt with 11.5kW charger so I can start FREE charging, BEFORE the Grinch stops the FREE charging? :confused::mad:
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    Do you know what I own and what I paid for it? ;)

    Wayne
     
  6. litesong

    litesong litesong

    The best deals I ever saw, were during times I had no money…..which was most of the time.
     
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  7. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    People did complain about the subsidy structures favoring wealthier people. It's why California ones, at least, now have limits based on income, and the Build Back Better bill addresses the issues of the current federal tax credit that made it impractical for lower incomes.

    Electricity wasn't free from Tesla. It was an optional feature in the beginning that cost at least $2000 back then. It was just so popular, Tesla increased the price of the cars, and made it standard. With the release of the Model 3, Superchargers now have a cost to use for all new Tesla Models. Those lifetime free charging cars will be off the road someday. While Superchargers are cheaper than other DC chargers, they still are generally more expensive than gas.

    No one really cares if a person uses a free slow charger. But if there are other costs, like having to walk a mile to use it, it sounds like being 'penny wise, pound foolish'. Like waiting in line to use a gas station, when there is an empty one across the street that is just a cent more per gallon. That's before considering most free chargers are for customers of the business that pays for them, and will likely take exception to someone using it for overnight charging.
     
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  8. litesong

    litesong litesong

    1) So right!

    2) They’ll be off the road sooner than they should, because rich people are abusing their battery packs with fast charging, fast accelerating & too much speed…..even moto-crossing & towing stuff.

    3) People didn’t complain about early rich EV drivers using “a little free electricity”. Appears tho, that poor people, who may be able to get a cheaper EV, are getting complaints because poor people will use “too much FREE electricity”.

    As for “other costs”, people take long evening walks (even run) & they call it refreshing & staying in shape. But, if simultaneously, one is FREE L2 charging, then walks & activities become “other costs”.
     
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  9. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    As Trolbait said,
    Those that install an L2 at their place of business absolutely care about the cost of it and the electricity that will course though it. The charger is not free, the electricity is not free, the maintenance is not free, and the replacement is not free.

    If you want to find out, install a free 9.6 KW L2 at your home for the public to use. You can place its location on plugshare. It is not about rich and poor, it is about costs and returns. Free electricity is not free and no matter the vehicle owners station in life, they should not expect as much.

    In the case of the Volta's, having used them on numerous occasions, they are broken, ICE'd, or are already charging another owners BEV who are usually visiting the local establishments about 2/3 of the time. They are also limited to a 2-hour charge timer, after midnight, they are shut down. If you are charging at home for the equivalent of $1.00 per gallon or on the road on a DCFC for about the same as fuel, why screw around with this? An Ioniq 5 buyer will not bother with a Volta unless it is convenient for him or her during a shop visit. The way the free Volta L2s were meant to be used for the most part.

    In other Ioniq 5 related specific news, the Ioniq 5 has won a GOOD DESIGN Award with its IONIQ 5 and STARIA models both selected as winners in the transportation category. Hyundai also triumphed across several other categories, including interactive media, household, mobile applications and graphic design.

    2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5

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    IONIQ 5 is Hyundai Motor’s midsize CUV built on a dedicated battery electric vehicle (E-GMP) platform. Its progressive design explores a new EV typology that has been well received by consumers around the world. Hyundai’s signature Parametric Pixels on the vehicle’s exterior lightings provide a distinct, modern style while representing IONIQ 5’s timeless design value.

    A ‘Living Space’ theme runs throughout IONIQ 5’s interior, most notably embodied by the Universal Island, a moveable center console, and flat floor where the batteries are stored. Many of its interior touchpoints, such as seats, headliner, door trim, floor and armrest, are made of eco-friendly materials, reflecting Hyundai’s commitment to a more clean and sustainable future for all.

    STARIA, Hyundai’s multi-purpose vehicle (MPV) lineup, boasts a strikingly futuristic and mysterious exterior that evokes a spaceship. A single stroke running from front to rear is reminiscent of the curve of light that illuminates the Earth’s horizon at sunrise when viewed from space.

    The cruise ship-inspired interior of STARIA delivers a unique atmosphere that focuses on the driver’s convenience and passengers’ comfort. The lowered beltlines and panoramic side windows improve overall visibility and create a feeling of openness. This sense of spaciousness, inspired by traditional Korean ‘hanok’ architecture, allows passengers to feel as if the outside scenes are an extension of the vehicle interior.

    Wayne
     
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  10. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    The first plug ins to arrive in the US nationwide were the Leaf and Volt; a couple years before the Model S. Between the various incentives and deals, these were not 'rich' people cars. No one complained about middle-class people charging these cars for free, as long as the privilege wasn't abused. The few that abuse it are why limitations get put in place, or the charger is removed. Using a free charger while not visiting a business, and leaving the car there hours after finished charging is abuse.
     
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  11. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Recent posts here never stated what your post suggests.
     
  12. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Of course, they were. I never even came close to being able to afford them & only could say, “Ugh!”. Yeah, the rich dip into the pricey new stuff, first.
     
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  13. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Blaming the poor, while the rich do the same thing, is NOT the way to say its not about rich & poor. I’ll use the Volta as I will & others do already, except I will & already have, paid attention to their advertisements. Being at a Volta charger, I may even go in & buy something from the surrounding businesses, if I have some money. But that is between me & the businesses, who don’t pay for any Volta charger OR the electricity. Because of the chastisements I’m receiving here, I’M MORE likely to NOT buy from the businesses. Its the vandals & club-fingered EV charger users who are doing Volta the damage. As stated previously, I have already met a Volta maintenance employee & talked well with him. As for the community FREE chargers, I’ll even walk around the community shoppes & other interesting activities they offer. I may or may NOT buy something…..again most likely NOT, because of the judgements I’m receiving here.
     
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  14. Trollbait

    Trollbait Well-Known Member

    No poor shaming here. Just puzzlement over the free fuel with additional hassle requirement. As nothing is truly free.

    My commute in a 2016 Camry costs almost $7 with gas prices here. In a Bolt with 16 cent per kWh rates will be under $3. It would already save me $880 a year in fuel to charge at home. I could save that last $660 at a Volta by waiting around 2 hours. That would give a Bolt another 50 miles of range. My commute is 60 miles, but it's on the high end. Would have to wait, because I found Volta's user agreement. It had this, "We may impose fees for electricity and other charging services as well as for violations of charging session conditions, such as an idle fee if you exceed a specified charging session time limit or excess use fees." Charge longer than those 2 hours, and they may hit you with fees. They may also do so, if you are charging everyday.
    https://voltacharging.com/terms-and-conditions/

    Their DC chargers are going to have a 30 minute limit, and then fees. These are 50kW and 100kW chargers(new Superchargers are 250kW). They may not get an EV to 80% charge in that time. As for poor shaming, "(Volta)high-speed chargers will go where the most affluent EV drivers live."
    https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/299467-volta-offers-free-ev-charging-with-caveats
     
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  15. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Yeah, it was me that has given excellent Volta advertising here for months…..& I haven’t even charged at Volta once…….yet. Its good Trollbait is showing the other goodies from Volta.
     
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  16. litesong

    litesong litesong

    After some months of no new Volta chargers conveniently added to my car (future EV) travel paths, a few more have now appeared. I’ll have to explore the areas round-about to find interesting places to be while Volta charging.
     
  17. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    You do not even own an EV yet and are contemplating all sorts of hypothetical scenarios? It is not about rich or poor either. You purchase a vehicle or you do not. That choice is always yours including the make, model, trim, and equipment. If an EV is out of your price range or does not make sense, why waste your time pursuing one? I can all but guarantee that once new and used car prices settle down, a new Elantra SE or Prius Prime will have a much lower TCO than a BEV for most. We have all but shown the TCO of an Elantra driven from new to one step into its grave at 156k miles ($0.18/mile) and a Prius Prime ($0.125/mile) from new to just getting broke in at 86k miles. A new or used BEV would have to be purchased at an exceptionally low price and have minimal M&R items to contend with to reach that low of an overall cost. Might I recommend that you focus your energy on a non-BEV if upfront or long term costs are a consideration instead of the constant wish for free charging?

    I am trying to convey the hassle of free public charging. The first time you sit in your car for two+ hours doing nothing but searching your phone, you will realize what many of us have learned quite some time ago. Free L2s are ok if you are going to spend some time at that establishments shops anyway. That is if they are not broken, being used, or offline due to a timeout. Once beyond that, it is an absolute waste of your time.

    My own 21 Prius Prime being charged from a Solar Battery EA charger last year.

    2021 Toyota Prius Prime

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    Wayne
     
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  18. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    I saw a banner ad from a local Hyundai dealership with the headline "Great Savings All Month Long".

    Ok, let us see what they have. First, their inventory is stripped like most dealerships in the country. Second, look at the number of Ioniq 5s on their lot vs everything else? And third, I did not see any savings on anything they had in inventory with markups between $0 and $5k over MSRP.

    A local dealer here in Carlsbad, CA had similar inventory and markups. 43 Ioniq 5s and a scattering of Sonata's, Elantra's, Kona's Tucson's, and Santa Fe's with markups from $0 to $5k.

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    Wayne
     
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  19. EdwinTheMagnificent

    EdwinTheMagnificent Legend In His Mind

    I think the "savings" refers to the dealer trying to "save" his ass and survive AND make a profit.
    I have no sympathy for those guys and am very happy I don't NEED a car right now.
     
  20. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Edwin:

    I could not have said it better myself. Automobiles are simply unaffordable right now no matter the make, model, trim, new or used.

    Wayne
     

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