2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 Intro and Preview

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  1. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    There has been much thought and work given to balancing users' demand for fast charging against battery cell longevity with lower charge rates.

    Initial heat seems to be a desirable feature and goal to the extent of preheating the cells. Reduced time at those elevated temperatures is also paramount and the task of effective liquid cooling. Learn more here,
    https://batteryuniversity.com/article/bu-401a-fast-and-ultra-fast-chargers.

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    Hopefully, the Ioniq 5 has the battery heater and the cooling system to offset the detrimental effects of fast charging.

    In the article, you'll see that charging at 60 degC at up to 3C rates does not appear to hurt cycle life of the cells. Hopefully, the 3C rate is not exceeded much or for very long in the 77 kWh battery pack in the US Ioniq 5. The 100+ kWh packs of the longest range EVs currently available would be charging at about 3C or less on the 350 kW chargers.
     
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  2. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Yes, the damage is already done at lower temperatures. 60degC (140degF) is way, way over the 70degF temperatures at which Li-Ion should be charged.
    In efforts to provide fastest charging, demanded by loud & mindless drivers, baby technology Li-Ion chemistry is pushed as if it were bullet-proof.

    & don’t think loud & mindless drivers won’t push EV ultra-fast charging past 140degF, when the hot temperatures of summer return. How many Ioniq 5 EVs are being charged in Australia already? Two saving graces, are 1)Australian ultra-chargers are nowhere in the country, yet, & 2) Ioniq 5’s are few in numbers.
     
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  3. BillLin

    BillLin PV solar, geothermal HVAC, hybrids and electrics

    litesong, you have the right mind set and instincts to do well with any EV and you will baby it for the longevity you desire.

    That said, don't close your mind to the rapid improvements that are happening. Safe, fast charging and greater cycle life for the batteries is becoming a reality and solid-state batteries will be another step toward that future. What comes after solid-state batteries, I don't know. I used to think ultra-capacitors were the future, with their quick charge and virtually unlimited cycle capabilities. They are a bit like the solid-state batteries, just without the electrolyte and the hoped-for, greater energy storage.

    As far as current and future BEVs go, it is up to the designers and manufacturers to make the batteries last and for them to be dummy (behind-the-wheel) proof. Pyrotechnic hazards and liability are probably greater drivers of car manufacturer behavior than the need to make the cars last a lifetime, so your caution is well placed.
     
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  4. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Well……Reports are…… that one of the FREE Volta chargers 3 miles from me is not working. Have no idea if vandalism was involved. It appears that the FREE Volta charger only functioned for 2+ months. Vandalism could be a prime cause, specially to a new charger. But, hamhocked & hurry-hurry drivers could wrench the chargers enough to damage them too. I’m still at least 2 months away from getting an EV, probably longer….much longer(?). I was really hoping for much more longevity from the near-by FREE Volta chargers.
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    12-14–21:
    PS…… As I said somewhere else, I had seen a Volta maintenance person taking care of a Volta charger in another city in the region, so it is sweet to know that Volta is maintaining chargers.
     
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  5. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    I did not charge it, Hyundai did. The waste heat on others during L3 DCFC sessions is ported to the exterior, not the interior. The Prius Prime inverter waste heat is ported to the interior and it heats up a bit.

    Wayne
     
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  6. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Hyundai revealed pricing, packaging and a 58kWh battery pack option for its IONIQ 5. Future customers can select from two battery pack options, either 58 kWh or 77.4 kWh, and two electric motor layouts, either a rear motor (RWD) only or both front and rear motors (AWD).

    The IONIQ 5 SE Standard Range with the 58kWh battery pack starts at $39,700. The IONIQ 5 SE with its 77.4 kWh battery pack starts at $43,650.

    For those that qualify, the $7,500 Fed TC and any state incentives will bring the Ioniq 5s purchase price down a bit... The RWD Ioniq 5 SEL for $38,400 minus ($7,500 Fed TC off) any state incentives appears to be a good starting price with a nice set of equipment to drive for the next few years.

    2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5

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    Limited Trim shown.​

    The 2022 IONIQ 5 breaks new ground in the crossover segment with best-in-class ultra-fast charging from 10 to 80 percent in just 18 minutes, more than 300 miles of range, and a sleek design that links past, present and future. The IONIQ 5 is now on sale at Hyundai dealerships around the country.

    2022 IONIQ 5 Pricing ($ MSRP)

    SE RWD w/ 58 kWh pack and 220-mile range for $39,700
    SE RWD w/ 77.4 kWh pack and 303-mile range for $43,650
    SE AWD w/ 77.4 kWh pack and 256-mile range for $47,150

    SEL RWD w/ 77.4 kWh pack and 303-mile range for $45,900
    SEL AWD w/ 77.4 kWh pack and 256-mile range for $49,400

    Limited RWD w/ 77.4 kWh pack and 303-mile range for $50,600
    Limited AWD w/ 77.4 kWh pack and 256-mile range for $54,500

    Freight charges for the 2022 MY IONIQ 5 are $1,225.

    Generous Standard Equipment Levels to Attract a Broad Electric Vehicle Audience

    IONIQ 5 standard features include:
    • 800-volt, 350 kW ultra-fast DCFC
    • 19-inch aero wheels
    • 12.3-inch touchscreen navigation with EV technology display
    • Android Auto & Apple CarPlay
    • Bluelink® connected car system with remote charge access
    • Highway Drive Assist & Smart Cruise Control with Stop and Go and Machine Learning
    • Forward Collision-Avoidance Assist with Car/Pedestrian/Cyclist Detection
    • Blind-spot Collision Avoidance-Assist / Safe Exit Assist
    • Lane Keeping Assist & Lane Following Assist
    • Rear View Monitor with Parking Guidance
    • Rear Cross-Traffic Collision Avoidance Assist
    • Parametric Pixel LED lighting elements
    • Auto Flush Door Handles & Hidden Charge Port Door
    • Unlimited 30-minute charging sessions for two years on Electrify America’s growing network of chargers
     
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  7. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    Here is the feature breakdown within the various trims of the 2022 Ioniq 5.

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    Wayne
     
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  8. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi All:

    And a little fun with Spiderman and the Ioniq 5. ;)


    Spider-Man is bent on clearing his name and comes out of hiding, hitching a 300-mile ride to New York with Ned in the all-new, all-electric IONIQ 5. The two characters cruise their way through an open country inside the sunlight-reflecting, futuristic-looking IONIQ 5, exchanging banter along the way. A 30-second broadcast version will air as part of high-visibility television programs in the US, Europe, China, Russia and other global markets through January 2022.

    On social media, Hyundai will offer fans the opportunity to obtain a “Hyundai IONIQ 5 x Spider-Man: No Way Home” special edition poster as well as customized digital wallpapers. A behind-the-scenes video of the IONIQ 5 commercial and other unique contents will also be available online.

    Hyundai Motor’s integrated marketing campaign centered on the upcoming “Spider-Man: No Way Home” film will be highlighted on video boards at Piccadilly Circus in London, as well as via various advertising outlets around the world.

    Following “Spider-Man: No Way Home,” the company will organize diverse marketing initiatives related to the upcoming films “Uncharted,” due to premiere in February 2022, and the sequel to the critically acclaimed, Academy Award-winning animated film, “Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse,” due to premiere in October 2022.

    Wayne
     
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  9. litesong

    litesong litesong

    From 7-27-21:
    Banking on FREE L2 charging to help pay for any future EV I may get………..gets its first boot in the dirt….banking!
    First, the good news:
    One of the FREE chargers I was hoping to use, just got a new charger AND it gives an extra 2kWs of charging per hour!
    Second, the bad news:
    The FREE charging is no longer FREE. They are charging 40cents per kWhr for their L2 charger…..a price worse than many L3 chargers! I’d like to know the story behind that L2 charger. Bet it has something to do with vandalism.
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    PS….Another FREE charger that I was depending on for any future EV I got, seems to be giving trouble to multiple EV owners! Well….NOT good news in multiple bits of news!
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    PS I….One nice bit of FREE EV charging news…..Some FREE Volta chargers have reports of supplying MORE than 7kW of power, as much as 8.5kW & 9kW!
     
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  10. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Instead of gaining their goal of 3000 chargers by the end of 2021, Volta, as of now, only has 2172 chargers.
     
  11. xcel

    xcel PZEV, there's nothing like it :) Staff Member

    Hi Litesong:

    While free L2s are for one, free, they are not truly free as the time is a real kick in the teeth when on them. If you need a break or are stopping for a quick bite, great. But it is not enough time to get any real distance from them.

    With DCFCing onboard HW, why not use it to move the long distances and for the short stuff, your homes overnight charge rate is probably a whole lot less cost than driving the same miles from the gas pump.

    Imagine you spent $40 to $50k on a world class BEV like the Hyundai Ioniq and you are always in search of a free low output L2 when it can literally fly on an L3.

    Wayne
     
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  12. litesong

    litesong litesong

    I am so grateful that Wayne, who has accomplished so much in his life, is trying to save me from my future bad decisions.
    To be direct, I never will have $40 to $50,000 for an EV. The EV MUST cost $20,000 or less, MUST last 300,000 miles, & the electricity MUST be free. As for the “kick in the teeth” long charging times, I have discovered ways in my beautiful Washington state, to do delightful things while L2 charging. There will be NO “kick in the teeth”. I will be where I want to be & where I belong. The slow L2 charging is the best way to help the EV battery pack to last to 300,000 miles.
     
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  13. litesong

    litesong litesong

    After 3(+?) weeks of adding no FREE chargers, Volta now has 2221 FREE chargers. I was thinking Volta had dropped off the end of the Earth(wording to allow flat Earthers to understand).
     
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  14. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    Why must the electricity be free? That sounds like a pretty tough requirement.
     
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  15. litesong

    litesong litesong

    The really tough requirement is to pay 3 to 6 times(more?) the local price of electricity to charge battery packs…..& then be happy to do so. You’re right, I can’t meet that tough requirement.
     
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  16. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Oh, thank you for reminding me that Volta chargers are FREE. I went back to the above post #93, & added FREE to all the Volta “charger” comments.
     
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  17. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    Gasoline isn't free, unless you've found a free way to refine your own or something. Not sure why electricity should be free when gasoline isn't.
     
  18. litesong

    litesong litesong

    I agree with you. The absolutely astounding thing is that there ARE huge numbers of FREE L2 chargers. WOW! I gotta get an EV….. & be happy with FREE L2 charging. I WILL be happy with FREE L2 charging…..deliriously happy! Think of it. FREE electrons.
    Let us now all repeat: “FREE electrons…..FREE electrons…..FREE electrons.
     
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  19. seftonm

    seftonm Veteran Staff Member

    I'd rather charge at home and pay for the electricity. Part of the appeal of an electric vehicle for me is never having to stop at gas stations again. I'd be avoiding stops at charging stations, unless I have no choice or already have another reason to be stopping there.
     
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  20. litesong

    litesong litesong

    Is it good to be rich? I’m not rich & can’t imagine it. But, I can imagine if I do 10,000 hours of what I love to do, while FREE L2 charging, I’ll have as much as 100,000 kWhrs of FREE electricity that will send me 400 to 450,000 miles down the road. “Patience is its own reward” & “It pays to be patient”. I’ve heard of women named Pat, which is sometimes short for Patience.

    Previously, I thought I would only have a 7.5kW charger, but the 2022 Chevy Bolt has an 11.5kW charger. So, I think I will get near 100,000kWhrs.

    There is one FREE L2 charger 1 mile from our place. I can start charging, walk home & do things for 5 hours, & then walk back & drive home.

    I’m so glad to hear that many who love to pay for electricity, will be happy to pay for MY electricity. Thank you, thank you. Know that I won’t waste the electricity, but will efficiently use it.
     
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