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CleanMPG Previews the 2007 Honda Civic iCDTi-S 2.2L Turbo-Diesel

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CleanMPG Previews the 2007 Honda Civic iCDTi-S 2.2L Turbo-Diesel

CleanMPG drives the 2007 Honda Civic Turbo-Diesel.

Anticipation is making us wait …

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/523/Honda_Civic_iCDTi_Turbo_Diesel_Side.jpg
Wayne Gerdes - CleanMPG - July 2, 2007

Does anyone remember a particular toy or gadget from years past that they simply had to own as soon as possible? I remember more then a few yet as an adult, what could possibly create the same yearning? I cannot say if the following falls into the same category but if it does, it may also satisfy the need.

It has been a long 3-year wait for the chance to drive one of the premiere Turbo-Diesel’s of our time available only to those currently residing on the European continent. That being Honda’s 2.2L iCDTi in a European sourced 2007 Honda Civic 5-door hatch. Although only a pre-view, this sneak peek should demonstrate the turbo-diesels capabilities long before they actually arrive to our shores.

Past Honda 2.2L iCDTi achievements: Honda Diesel Sets New World Records. - US based mpg of 78 mpg.

From the Civic 5-door’s sleek external silhouette to the interiors magic rear seats similar to those found in the 2007 Honda Fit, this automobile is not only a good looking and utilitarian people hauler but is also a relatively high performance fuel miser courtesy of its famous 2.2L Honda turbo-diesel. Let us take a closer look.

2007 Honda Civic 5-door hatch - 2.2L iCDTi - S basic specifications:

Engine 
TypeDiesel
Valve TrainDOHC
Transmission6-speed manual
Max Power138.1 HP@4,000 RPM
Max Torque251 ft.-lb’s@2,000 RPM
  
Emissions 
SmogEuro IV
GHG - CO2 (g/km)135
  
Fuel Economy - Euro based 
Urban (mpg US)35.6 mpg
Extra Urban (mpg US)54.7 mpg
  
Basic Performance 
0 – 60 mph8.5 seconds
Top Speed127 mph
  
Weights and Capacities 
Curb Weight2,960 pounds
Fuel Tank (US gallons)13.2 gallons
  
Wheels and Tires 
205/55 R16 Z-Rated16” Steel Wheels

2007 Honda Civic 5-door hatch - 2.2L iCDTi - Impressions:

Since the instrumentation was somewhat European centric, it took some time to find what tools were available and how to enable/disable them to our liking. In other words, it took a few blocks to find and then reset the Trip aFCD’s. Rear seat headroom and legroom were compromised with the 5-door hatch design but the magic seats and various storage areas underneath the rear floor more then made up for it. The lack of CC (Cruise Control) is something that will be remedied before we would see a similar equipped Civic released here in the states. Air vents and dash/appointment plastic had a less expensive texture and feel then the US sourced 8th gen Civic’s many own today. During a NICE-On, the iFCD pegs to max fuel consumption which was a bit unnerving at first but I am not sure it registered on the aFCD as the same? There is a std. fobbed key to boot the European Civic up but to actually turn her over; you have to press a Start button ala Prius. This is yet another sequence to get used to? Also, you have to hold the START button down for a period of time similar to holding a standard key in the Ignition III position in order to ignite the ICE. If you let go too quickly, she will not pick up the RPM’s necessary to light off.

As far as driving a diesel is concerned, the latest Common Rails do not smoke upon acceleration nor clatter while sitting at a light under idle conditions which made our short drive in the Honda Civic iCDTi all that much more enjoyable.

And the real kicker. At a relatively steady state 90 - 95 km/hour (55 - 59 mph) while DWL over very small undulations, I was viewing a steady 2 L/100 Km (117.6 mpg US) as displayed on the dash located iFCD. Whether or not the displayed 2 was 2.2, 2.5 or 2.9 L/100 Km actual or not, who knows just yet? I have not seen an iFCD camped at that level while at a somewhat steady state speed since driving the Insight and even then you did not see it at that high a speed or for any type of extended period! That somewhat steady state result has me pondering what this performance oriented Turbo-diesel actually has in store for us with regards to her actual FE capabilities?

2007 Honda Civic 5-door hatch - 2.2L iCDTi - Ride:

Typical Honda/Acura sporty ride with larger road imperfections being absorbed with a solid but not harsh impact as well as great road feel over any number of varying paved surfaces.

2007 Honda Civic 5-door hatch - 2.2L iCDTi - Handling:

With 3 in the vehicle and not being at all familiar with downtown Detroit, we were coming up on a right hander which I thought was yet a block away. We were moving at an approximate 20 mph clip when I was instructed by both Rich (Pravus Prime) and another Auto Journalist in the back seat to “Turn Right - Now!” I swung the wheel hard to the right and with the low profile, 16” Z-Rated tires, she clung to that piece of pavement far better then any domestic Civic or Accord that I have ever driven could have. There is something to be said for performance rubber. On a side note with regard to these tires, there are some negatives. While in downtown Detroit maybe 3 blocks from the parking garage where we had to turn her in, I shut down the ICE to wait out a light. When it turned green, there was enough of a slope that she should have picked up speed to the next light ahead ICE-Off without issue in the 70 + degree temps we were experiencing. In this Civic’s case, she simply sat there waiting for an ICE-Start and tranny engagement in order to get her to move. I honestly believe the FE capabilities of this iCDTi were hampered to the tune of at least 3 - 5% while shod with the Z-Rated 16’s given the poor down slope glide experience.

2007 Honda Civic 5-door hatch - 2.2L iCDTi - Short term results:

Although the ride and drive consisted of just 28 miles round trip from downtown Detroit to a local suburb and back, it was long enough to show that this little beauty has more potential then most would have previously suspected. From downtown Detroit to a gas station to do a quick press up of the tires in relatively light early afternoon traffic, she allowed 3.1 L/Km or 75.87 mpg US. After attempting to press up the Z-Rated tires, resetting the Trip B aFCD and in far heavier and congested traffic heading back into downtown Detroit, she offered even better FE performance.


3.0L/100 Km over 22.6 Km or 78.4 mpg over 14.0 miles

The above was achieved in an automobile with just 529 miles on the odometer, on a road course of our choosing but out of and back into a heavily congested downtown Detroit on a weekday afternoon, 3 people possibly weighing in at over 550 #’s in total, not even close to being set up properly and using less then half the techniques available to us. On the plus side, the highway portion of this drive was almost optimal w/ temps in the mid 70’s and just enough traffic to hold speeds down. CleanMPG is currently trying to acquire this iCDTi for a full review so as to discover a little more about how she ticks as well as what she is capable of in the real world. With the right driver and commute, this little diesel powered beast may just be the new Sheriff in town? Stay tuned …


2007 Honda Civic 5-door hatch - 2.2L iCDTi

I would like to thank Honeywell for their turbo-diesel presentation as well as supplying the European based turbo-diesels for the ride and drive. I would also like to thank the APA for hosting the Turbo-Diesel event. Without either, this pre-view would not have been possible.

Wayne

To view the final installment, you can read the following: CleanMPG reviews the 2007 Honda Civic 2.2L iCDTi Turbo Diesel.
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By tbaleno on 07-02-2007, 03:11 AM
Re: CleanMPG Previews the 2007 Honda Civic iCDTi-S 2.2L Turbo-Diesel.

VERY nice write-up Wayne.
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By HCHCIN on 07-02-2007, 08:01 AM
Re: CleanMPG Previews the 2007 Honda Civic iCDTi-S 2.2L Turbo-Diesel.

Wayne--

Were any details given about possible arrival Stateside? I know the wife would be very interested. Also, did you have a chance to take any interior photos? --RN
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By diamondlarry on 07-02-2007, 08:10 AM
Re: CleanMPG Previews the 2007 Honda Civic iCDTi-S 2.2L Turbo-Diesel.

Nice writeup and very nice driving Wayne! Is a FAS doable in a diesel?
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By brick on 07-02-2007, 09:07 AM
Re: CleanMPG Previews the 2007 Honda Civic iCDTi-S 2.2L Turbo-Diesel.

Man, that sounds like a nice little car! That little Civic may do for the highways what the Prius has done for back roads and cities.
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By c0da on 07-02-2007, 09:36 AM
Re: CleanMPG Previews the 2007 Honda Civic iCDTi-S 2.2L Turbo-Diesel.

I would totally pick that one up if it came stateside. I've always been a fan of the European models of many brands, even the Big 3 has nice models that they never bring here. Have you guys seen the Euro Focus? It's diesel, looks good, and I hear it runs very well.

I don't understand why we get the ugly versions.

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/05/31/r...hatches-coupe/
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By Right Lane Cruiser on 07-02-2007, 12:59 PM
Question Re: CleanMPG Previews the 2007 Honda Civic iCDTi-S 2.2L Turbo-Diesel.

Wow! I'd seriously consider one these if the price was reasonable.

I second Larry's question; does it FAS ok or is that a no-no in a diesel?
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By xcel on 07-02-2007, 01:32 PM
Re: CleanMPG Previews the 2007 Honda Civic iCDTi-S 2.2L Turbo-Diesel.

Hi Tom:

___Thank you! It was a long weekend to get out there and do the preview drive but well worth it. I hope Rich will do a Pre-view on the 3.0L Jeep Grand Cherokee CRD we drove (he was the individual driving that monster powerful Turbo-Diesel ) as well?

___From the E-Mails I received this morning, it sounds like Rich and I may have worn out our welcome a touch given the amount of time we had the (2) vehicles for. We were the last out of the presentation room in order for the journalists that had deadlines to take their cut first yet the Honda was still sitting there while everybody was out in the more performance oriented diesels available to us? I will post more comments on that situation after doing the Honeywell/APA Turbo-Diesel ride and drive presentation article hopefully later on this week.

___HCHCIN, I have read that Honda wants to bring the 2.2 iCDTi to us in late 08, early 09 but I am not sure if the new CAT tech and DPF’s will be able to hold Tier II/Bin 5 for the required time frame or not yet? There will be a lot more info wrt diesels and their ability to meet the US’ latest stringent emissions requirements if we can source the iCDTi for a full review later this month or summer. WRT the interior photos, Rich took some pics from the back seat looking forward and out of the wind screen but none of the actual interior. I can pass along the link to Honda’s UK site which has the Civic 5-doors interior photos available if you would like?

___Larry and Sean, during Honeywell’s Q&A period after their presentation, I asked a question wrt keying off before letting the turbo spool down while at idle. The presenter said he and his wife as well as 15 + million other turbo drivers in Europe shut them off when the come to a stop day in and day out. Honeywell has not seen any type of warranty issues with their turbo’s being cooked under that scenario. The reason I asked was I remember reading in an 04 Jetta TDI’s owners manual that the TDI’s should be left idling for 15 + seconds or some other such time after running boost up to protect that turbo. This Honda did not have a turbo-boost gauge although as light as I was driving it, I doubt she ever saw more then 3 #’s anyway. As long as she was not recently spooled up and you let her drop down to idle for a second or two, I would say it appears to be OK. Remember however that this CI-ICE idles at a consumption rate as little as .3 L/hr (1/4 that of a Si-ICE) so NICE-On’s may be the proper way to handle the turbo’s lubrication requirements while not getting killed on the glide? Secondly, it takes a lot of 12V current or glide power to spin up these higher compression turbo-diesels and performing that with the clutch or the key may not lead to a satisfactorily long life for the 12V, the starter, clutch or ICE? Honda’s iCDTi uses one of the lowest compression ratios I have ever read about in a Diesel so maybe this issue will not be a big deal as say a 20 + : 1 ratio CI-ICE in many of the others? I will cover some more on the techniques that could and possibly should not be used in a full review later as well.

___Tim, that is exactly what I was thinking while driving the iCDTi! She won’t take down a Prius in the inner city or the occasional stop and crawls but viewing an iFCD stuck in the low 100’s at 55 + mph? I really want to know how accurate the OEM instrumentation really is now

___C0da, the neat item about this turbo-diesel is it is not only fuel efficient as can possibly be imagined, it propels this somewhat heavy Civic to 60 in under 9 seconds. Not that any of us would ever use that capability but most of the Euro Turbo-diesels that are also fuel efficient to the degree this 2.2L iCDTi is have 0 - 60 times in the 13 + second range Can you imagine if Honda would have stuck a 1.5 iCDTi in this Civic instead? I can almost guarantee we would have seen 100 + mpg at 50 + mph while still receiving somewhat satisfactory performance in the 0 - 60 game if they had

___Good Luck

___Wayne
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By -mr. bill on 07-02-2007, 01:37 PM
Re: CleanMPG Previews the 2007 Honda Civic iCDTi-S 2.2L Turbo-Diesel.

September 2006 - "Honda plans to introduce its next-generation diesel engine in the U.S. within three years."

While you probably will not see the Euro-hatch on this continent, you probably will see a variant of that engine. Something for the Civic? A replacement for the HAH?

(Did the Scangauge II work?)

-mr. bill
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By c0da on 07-02-2007, 01:43 PM
Re: CleanMPG Previews the 2007 Honda Civic iCDTi-S 2.2L Turbo-Diesel.

I definately remember the diesel introduction for Hondas in the next few years, but all they ever show is the Accord as their flagship. I'm not looking for a sedan and I would love to see a civic diesel or maybe even a Fit diesel. My girlfriend already has her sights on a MiniCooper, but I convinced her to wait till the diesel version comes out.

Late 2008 to the end of 2009 will hopefully be an exciting time for diesels and hybrids.
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