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Old 06-12-2007, 11:05 AM
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Gas Prices Too High? Try Europe.

Nothing new for us in this article, except the graph at the bottom which I think tells as much as anyone needs to know...



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Re: Gas Prices Too High? Try Europe.

Hehe. That's Al Gore's famous graph.

Came from this (also excellent reading)
http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads...605_110719.pdf
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That is a MPG graff not a price graff.
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Re: Gas Prices Too High? Try Europe.

Himmitch--

Yes, I know. The article that the URL points to discusses gas prices. I see that the title of the post implies that the graph has to do with high prices in Europe. Sorry for the confusion...

Tarabell, I saw A.I.T. (it's why my wife and I both drive hybrids, among other things) but I didn't remember the graph. The original article does source the Pew report. I find it astonishing that even China has higher FE standards than the US. The other countries are generally more liberal (and probably have less political pressure from the Big -- er, Medium -- Three), so I can see them having higher standards. But China?

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Re: Gas Prices Too High? Try Europe.

I think Oil Companies pay the big 3 to produce lower mileage cars. Why would the big 3 care if the car got 40mpg or 20mpg. The movie Who Killed the electric car kind of went into that.
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Re: Gas Prices Too High? Try Europe.

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Himmitch--

Yes, I know. The article that the URL points to discusses gas prices. I see that the title of the post implies that the graph has to do with high prices in Europe. Sorry for the confusion...

Tarabell, I saw A.I.T. (it's why my wife and I both drive hybrids, among other things) but I didn't remember the graph. The original article does source the Pew report. I find it astonishing that even China has higher FE standards than the US. The other countries are generally more liberal (and probably have less political pressure from the Big -- er, Medium -- Three), so I can see them having higher standards. But China?

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I haven't researched but I'm curious if any of the chinese vehicles would pass US safety standards, etc.

At current gas prices I suspect that the US car aggregete could surpass the CAFE requirements without changing the CAFE, or am I dillusional?
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Re: Gas Prices Too High? Try Europe.

Sorry if I'm dragging up an old thread but I can't help adding my two cents, as I'm from Europe

First off, my start with hypermiling is directly linked to our fuel prices. I spend about 3,8 euros per US gallon of gas. That's about five dollars a gallon at current exchange rates. And Slovenia is actually one of the cheaper countries as far as fuel is concerned, in neighboring Italy, it's a third more expensive (so six and a half dollars per US gallon). This is mainly because of very high taxes on fuel.

Second, we have many more small cars. I've heard that the Smart car will soon be sold in the US, well, we have quite a few cars of similar size. Even in general, small cars such as the Toyota Yaris, Renault Clio or Volkswagen Polo are very common and popular. Many are now getting diesel engines as well, if I remember correctly the most economical non-hybrid car was the Volkswagen Lupo 3L , which had a small diesel engine and regularly got above 70 MPG. Pickup trucks are very rare, though SUV's are (sadly) becoming more common. But even in these, diesel engines greatly outnumber regular gasoline engines. One of the reasons small cars are popular is (besides the parking problem I'll mention in a sec.) is because the registration tax and insurance is just so much cheaper.

One more thing I've noticed (note that I lived in the US for quite a few years) is that in Europe, people tend to use more public transport, especially since our cities tend to have less parking spaces than US ones (and they tend to be less car-friendly overall).

As for the question if chinese cars would pass US safety standards, I seriously doubt it, as I know a few were prohibited from being sold in the EU (which Slovenia is a part of) since they were demed too dangerous. I've seen pictures of a couple of crash tests done on something called a Brilliance, which got one star out of a possible five... not pretty, let me tell you.
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Hey

I live in the middle of england, and the fuel prices at the nearest garage [just above average price] are :

1 Litre of Petrol = 97.9 Pence which converts to about $ 2.00

1 Litre of Diesel = 98.9 Pence which converts to about $ 2.02
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Ouch!!!!!!!
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Yeah, but don’t forget to take this into account… The Petrol sold in England has much less sulfur then the US "Gas" and it is much high octane then the US gasoline. The Petrol in England is pretty much what American’s call “Race gas”… Almost 100 Octane.
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