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Start/Stop Supercaps Are Finally Road Ready But Is It Too Late?

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Start/Stop Supercaps Are Finally Road Ready But Is It Too Late?

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Power Net SuperCap Technology from Continental for the light duty commercial truck market.

Continental is now making its Power Net Supercap Technology available for light trucks, bringing the full benefits of start-stop technology to urban delivery vans. At the heart of the design is a double-layer supercap. These energy storage devices offer much faster charging and discharging rates and much higher reliability than a conventional battery “regardless of temperature”.

At the same time, all electrically operated on-board equipment, including a full A/C load according to Continental. Navigation and telematics will also remain fully functional, even when a large amount of power is required to restart the engine.

The key to a supercap is its ability to absorb large current inflows making brake regeneration possible without a massively large and parallel NiMH or Li-Ion battery we are used to seeing in a conventional hybrid vehicle.

In addition, their output can be controlled at the same voltage that vehicle electrical systems run today.

Double-layer capacitor complements the conventional 12V battery

Start-stop systems are a simple and cost-effective means of achieving a reduction in fuel consumption in everyday driving. Delivery trucks that operate around town will benefit more than most. When the vehicle is stationary, the engine automatically shuts down. However, frequent restarts place a great strain on the vehicle electrical system with upwards of 600 amps of power needed for the initial spin up.

With a conventional Pb-Acid battery, the engine cannot be shut down because the active on-board 12V ancillaries are quickly drawing down the battery’s capacity that there may not be enough available for restarting. Continental’s Power Net Technology is said to stabilize the electrical systems.

The double-layer capacitor has an internal capacity of up to 3,000 farads per cell – enough to handle several restarts in rapid succession says the company. This method of electrical storage complements rather than replaces a conventional battery. It can store and discharge its entire energy content in just a few seconds, which makes it the ideal means of handling peak loads or storing the energy recovered by braking regeneration.

Supercaps also retain their performance at temperatures far below zero and can handle up to one million charging and discharging cycles without degradation. This is something even the most hardy, advanced NiMH and Li-Ion’s cannot achieve today.

Based on Power Net Technology, Continental’s engineers have put together an energy storage system that also takes in the starter battery, combining the advantages of the supercap (high power density) with those of the battery (high energy density) to best effect. A battery controller governs the flow of energy to or from the respective storage device.

The big question(s) are what does the supercap cost and when scaled down to the passenger automobile, can it be made cost effective with the far more robust starter taking the largest piece of the pie in terms of cost. With Toyota pushing their NiMH based HSD down to as low as $1,760 in some vehicles, a simple Start/Stop system with a supercap and controller in parallel with a larger 12V AGM is going to have to be cheap, cheap cheap to compete.
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Re: Start/Stop Supercaps Are Finally Road Ready But Is It Too Late?

I'd like to see these compliment traditional hybrid systems as well. Think how much more energy you'd get on regen when the supercap fills up as fast as it can, then slowly passes the charge to the traction battery at a rate it can handle.
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Re: Start/Stop Supercaps Are Finally Road Ready But Is It Too Late?

The basic problem with supercaps is piss-poor energy density. That's why they're called capacitors and not batteries. They have superior power density to batteries, but is power density really a problem for hybrid automotive batteries? In a regenerative braking situation, don't existing hybrid batteries have sufficient power density to absorb all the regenerated power? Certainly existing automotive batteries can sink all the current needed to start an ICE.
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Even the Leaf will limit regen coming down a mountain.. after a while the battery overheats from the high currents.
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The basic problem with supercaps is piss-poor energy density. That's why they're called capacitors and not batteries. They have superior power density to batteries, but is power density really a problem for hybrid automotive batteries? In a regenerative braking situation, don't existing hybrid batteries have sufficient power density to absorb all the regenerated power? Certainly existing automotive batteries can sink all the current needed to start an ICE.
The amount a battery can "safely" accept at any time depends on the condition of the battery. But for consistency in braking you want the switch from regen to friction to be predictable. So, I think they set a conservative limit that can be applied under all conditions.

Certainly if you brake hard in the Prius it'll use the friction brakes. The behavior makes you aware whether you're braking hard and as a result when poor signage and traffic light timings fails to make allowances for slopes and make you brake hard.
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