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Ford’s C-MAX Energi PHEV – 21 miles Electric Range

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Ford’s C-MAX Energi PHEV – 21 miles Electric Range

At $30K, this one is possibly the first_PHEV that makes real $'s and sense.

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2013 Ford C-MAX Energi PHEV-21 - $29,995 incl. delivery and after federal tax credit is rated at 44/41/43 mpgUS city/highway/combined on gasoline and a very healthy 100-MPGe combined on the plug.

While I was away in San Francisco, Ford released a semi-official EPA all-electric range (AER) rating on its upcoming C-MAX Energi PHEV of 21 miles.

At the same time, Ford released an interesting statement that the Toyota Prius PHEV offers just 6-miles of all-electric range (AER), or one-third the distance that its C-MAX Energi can travel before its first engine start. Here Ford is taking advantage of the fact the Prius PHEV cannot travel over 62 mph or accelerate much faster than 3.3 mph/second from the city/highway and cold tests enforce without the engine starting or assisting.

The C-MAX Energi is Ford’s first production PHEV and provides 188 HP total system output (possibly up to 195 according to Ford’s latest releases?) from its 141 HP atkinsonized 2.0L engine and 118 HP electric motor. Remember that electric motor torque falls off as RPM’s climb resulting in the total system output as written.

The C-MAX Energi’s combination of relatively fuel efficient highway driving and electric only powered city driving will prove to be a godsends for commuter warriors the world over.

The all-new C-MAX Energi is proudly build on American soil at Ford’s Michigan Assembly Plant in Wayne, MI. According to Ford PR, it will be available this fall at EV Certified Ford dealers in 19 markets, followed by nationwide rollout in all 50 states in early 2013.

For those considering the C-MAX hybrid or Energi PHEV over and above the Prius hatch, v or PHEV, a quick rundown is in order.

The C-MAX hybrid and Energi incorporate an interior that places the Prius family lineup at a generation or more disadvantage. With a silky styled dash in all black, Piano black surrounds, chrome inlays where appropriate and SmartGauge with EcoGuide greeting you with every push of the start button, it is indeed a fantastic living and working space in which you may spend 500 + hours per year or more in.

When it comes to roominess however, there are a few missteps. There is ample headroom for both front and second row occupants. However, the rated 24.5 and 19.1 cu. ft. of cargo capacity behind the second row seats for the C-MAX Hybrid and Energi respectively is more like a small C-Segment hatch with upright but not lengthy stowage space for your gear.

Regarding fuel economy during charge sustaining mode or when on the gas, the Hybrid’s 47/47/47 mpgUS city/highway/combined rating appears to be rated extraordinarily high when compared to real world experience by both members and the online community as a whole. How the appearance of an EPA rating overstatement will play out in the future is anyone’s guess but we will remain vigilant as more customers pick up their C-MAX’s over the winter.

A beautiful and hyper efficient American made small car at what I consider an affordable price is worthy of all of our attention.
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Re: Ford’s C-MAX Energi PHEV – 21 miles Electric Range

I think this car is going to be a real game changer. But there is a really big problem. All the Ford dealer in my area (Central New York) have said they are not going to get any of the energi models. Something to do with the fact that Ford is making them by some kind of $15,000 dollar diagnostic machine in order to get the plug in models. So it looks like in a round about way Ford is saying, go buy a Plug in Prius or a Volt.
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Re: Ford’s C-MAX Energi PHEV – 21 miles Electric Range

They have to buy a charger at least.. I think the dealers in your area are ridiculous
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Re: Ford’s C-MAX Energi PHEV – 21 miles Electric Range

what is the price before the 'tax credit'?
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Re: Ford’s C-MAX Energi PHEV – 21 miles Electric Range

Hi James:

Add $3,750.

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Re: Ford’s C-MAX Energi PHEV – 21 miles Electric Range

My biggest concern is still how the cargo will be compromised by the battery. After test driving the hybrid version and checking out the cargo space in it, I was not that impressed. I am certain that a Gen III Prius has more usable (in my opinion) space. This is because I consider space that would block the view in the rear window to be unusable or at least less usable. However, if I could plug in at work I could essentially drive 95% electric which could give me good savings over my Prius (at least with the MPG I can manage ). I really loved the interior in the c-max as compared to the Prius, but I tried an FE test with a depleted pack on the Prius for the same route and the results were really disappointing to me. I don't believe the pack in the C-max was as low as I let the Prius get, but regardless I got 37 MPG in the c-max and 51 in my Prius. For both I set cruise to 65 on the Interstate and 55 on the highway so that they would be as close a comparison as possible. I know that I am used to my Prius, but I did not try to drive it efficiently. With the less than expected MPG in the hybrid mode and the likely large sacrifice in cargo area I am concerned that the c-max energi would not meet my family's road trip needs. They were so close, but I think they have missed the mark.
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Re: Ford’s C-MAX Energi PHEV – 21 miles Electric Range

Like the AER and will look at it if they ever have them on the lots here, but since I care far more about CS mpg and cargo room than any interior quality issues, the Prius PHEV will likely still be my choice to trade off our 2010 Prius. That is, if they ever have PHEV on the lots here.
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Re: Ford’s C-MAX Energi PHEV – 21 miles Electric Range

Toyota's tempting my wife and me with a $389 a month lease on their plugin. 3 years, no money down, 45000 miles allowed, taxes included. Prius III hatch for $20 a month less. I haven't found any deals close to this from Ford.

We currently lease a 2010 Prius III hatch for $289 a month; same place, same terms.

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Toyota's tempting my wife and me with a $389 a month lease on their plugin. 3 years, no money down, 45000 miles allowed, taxes included. Prius III hatch for $20 a month less. I haven't found any deals close to this from Ford.

We currently lease a 2010 Prius III hatch for $289 a month; same place, same terms.

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That plug in lease sounds like a good deal with no down! That C-Max is so heavy it can't make EPA numbers.
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Toyota's tempting my wife and me with a $389 a month lease on their plugin. 3 years, no money down, 45000 miles allowed, taxes included. Prius III hatch for $20 a month less. I haven't found any deals close to this from Ford.

We currently lease a 2010 Prius III hatch for $289 a month; same place, same terms.

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If you'd consider that and don't need the 5th seat consider a Volt.

$100 per month extra for a PiP with with a limit of 25 gallons of gas miles per month. Not really that great a dea given that if you're doing 15k per year you'll still be doing lots of gas miles.
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