User Name Password    
CleanMPG, Learn to raise fuel economy and lower emissions in whatever you drive.  
MENU
• What is hypermiling? •
CleanMPG to AAA:
• Hypermiling Rebuttal •
 
• Home
• CleanMPG Staff
• Articles
• Fuel Economy Forums
      • Register
Go Hypermiling!

   Car Reviews:

2013 Elantra GT

2013 Elantra Coupe

2013 Lexus ES 300h

2013 Mazda CX-5


2013 Lexus GS 450h

2012 Prius c

2013 Malibu Eco

2012 Hyundai Accent
   Bike and Gear Reviews:

HTC Thunderbolt

2010 R 1200 GS (A)

Kawasaki KLX250SF

Zero S


Aerostich Darien

Shoei Hornet DS

Honda CRF230L

Yamaha XT250


• More Reviews
• Gallery
• Mileage Logs
 
• CleanMPG Store
 
• Calendar
• Glossary
• Garage
• Files
 
• Research
• Related Sites
 
• Archives
• Arcade
 
• Monthly Fuel Efficient •
Vehicle Sales Figures


ScanGauge with X-Gauge: $159.95

Pre-programming, a CleanMPG laser cut decal, and shipping included!



Even better value for members only is available in the latest SG-II w/ X-Gauge Group Buy purchase thread.



While we strive to provide only the highest quality information through our members' offerings, if you find the information provided valuable, please consider a donation so that we can offer an even better experience for the membership and guests well into the future.

Thank you

-Wayne Gerdes
Owner/Admin
CleanMPG



Home Fuel Economy Forums Gallery Mileage Logs

Register FAQ Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   CleanMPG Forums » Information » In the News


In the News News items that may be of interest. These show up on the front page.
Only Moderators may start threads, but anyone can respond to them.

Welcome to the CleanMPG forums.

Some posts may describe situations which may in some cases be unsafe or illegal in some jurisdictions. Please use common sense and consult your local laws to make sure you do not hurt yourself or others or break any laws.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view discussions, articles and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact support.

Honda Develops New Technology to Weld Together Steel and Aluminum

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-06-2012, 05:15 PM
Right Lane Cruiser's Avatar
Right Lane Cruiser Right Lane Cruiser is offline
Penguin of Notagascar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Vehicles: '12 LEAF SL, '02 Insight 5spd MT
Location: Coon Rapids, MN
Posts: 20,598
Honda Develops New Technology to Weld Together Steel and Aluminum

Achieves World's First Application of Dissimilar Welds to the Frame of a Mass-production Vehicle

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Honda_Logo_Red.jpg
Sean Welch - CleanMPG - September 6, 2012

Honda Motor Co., Ltd. today announced that it has newly developed a technology for the continuous welding of the dissimilar metals of steel and aluminum and applied it for the first time in the world to the subframe of a mass-production vehicle, a key component of a vehicle body frame. Honda will adopt this technology first to the North American version of the all-new 2013 Accord, which will go on sale in the United States on September 19, 2012, and will expand application sequentially to other models.

Striving to reduce vehicle weight in order to increase fuel economy, Honda focused on Friction Stir Welding (FSW) and developed a new technology for the continuous welding of steel and aluminum. This technology generates a new and stable metallic bonding between steel and aluminum by moving a rotating tool on the top of the aluminum which is lapped over the steel with high pressure. As a result, the welding strength becomes equal to or beyond conventional Metal Inert Gas (MIG) welding.

This new technology contributes to an improvement in fuel economy by reducing body weight by 25% compared to a conventional steel subframe. In addition, electricity consumption during the welding process is reduced by approximately 50%. It also enabled a change in the structure of the subframe and the mounting point of suspension, which increased the rigidity of the mounting point by 20% and also contributed to the vehicle’s dynamic performance.

Furthermore, Honda established a new method to apply this technology to mass-production vehicles. Conventionally, FSW required use of large equipment, but Honda developed a FSW continuous welding system applied to a highly versatile industrial robot. This system also can be used for aluminum-to-aluminum welding and thus, the welding system with the same specifications can be used for production of a full-aluminum subframe.

Honda also developed a non-destructive inspection system using a highly-sensitive infrared camera and laser beam, which enables an in-line inspection of the bonding location for every unit.
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-06-2012, 06:08 PM
Jay's Avatar
Jay Jay is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Vehicles: Acura RSX Honda VFR750F
Location: Arroyo Grande, CA
Posts: 275
Re: Honda Develops New Technology to Weld Together Steel and Aluminum

According to the press release they use a friction stir welding process. Whether Honda can claim they "developed" the process is highly debatable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCe8-QYKZf4

I'm claiming dibs on any royalties because I manage to friction stir weld steel and aluminum almost every time I drill or tap aluminum. I think I perfected the process many years ago.
Reply With Quote
  #3   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-06-2012, 08:15 PM
herm herm is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 6,464
Re: Honda Develops New Technology to Weld Together Steel and Aluminum

I get dibs on the patent to breaking off taps in holes.. hey if Apple can patent a stupid shape
Reply With Quote
  #4   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-07-2012, 05:47 AM
phoebeisis phoebeisis is offline
Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 4,522
Re: Honda Develops New Technology to Weld Together Steel and Aluminum

The description SOUNDS like they are melting the metals-then CRIMPING them together??
Am I missing something? Doesn't exactly sound like the metals are actually "melting together" like a "normal" weld.
Sounds like" lets crimp it while it is soft."
Reply With Quote
  #5   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-07-2012, 05:56 AM
Bruce Bruce is offline
cheapskate
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Vehicles: 1999 Chevrolet Prizm
Location: Boston MetroWest
Posts: 613
Re: Honda Develops New Technology to Weld Together Steel and Aluminum

Putting together dissimilar metals sounds like a good formula for galvanic corrosion to me...but if it passes their salt spray tests, I'm sure they've figured out how to mitigate any potential problems.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #6   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-07-2012, 05:53 PM
50 mpg by 2012 50 mpg by 2012 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Vehicles: 95 Odyssey, 95 Civic
Location: NC, USA
Posts: 455
Re: Honda Develops New Technology to Weld Together Steel and Aluminum

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
Putting together dissimilar metals sounds like a good formula for galvanic corrosion to me...but if it passes their salt spray tests, I'm sure they've figured out how to mitigate any potential problems.
This is going to be very interesting with a little water and salt ...

NEED MORE DATA!!!
Reply With Quote
  #7   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-07-2012, 08:02 PM
brick's Avatar
brick brick is offline
Retrograde Orbiter
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Vehicles: 2009 Volvo V70
Location: NY
Posts: 4,613
Re: Honda Develops New Technology to Weld Together Steel and Aluminum

Quote:
Originally Posted by 50 mpg by 2012 View Post
This is going to be very interesting with a little water and salt ...

NEED MORE DATA!!!
Naah. We need metallography.
__________________
Tim

Newcomers, click THIS if you are looking for a good place to start!
Reply With Quote
  #8   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-08-2012, 04:35 PM
Indigo's Avatar
Indigo Indigo is offline
Witch with wry sense of humor
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Vehicles: 2008 Scion xD
Location: Baltimore
Posts: 1,019
Re: Honda Develops New Technology to Weld Together Steel and Aluminum

When transparent aluminum finally gets discovered, it will be by Honda.
__________________

Indigo's Moral Compass
Love God | Love Each Other | An it Harm None, Do as Ye Will | Blessed Be

http://www.indigohalo.com
Reply With Quote
  #9   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-08-2012, 08:00 PM
50 mpg by 2012 50 mpg by 2012 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Vehicles: 95 Odyssey, 95 Civic
Location: NC, USA
Posts: 455
Re: Honda Develops New Technology to Weld Together Steel and Aluminum

This sounds like an super-sized extension of ultrasounic lead bonding to semiconductor chips starting in the late 1960s.
Reply With Quote
  #10   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-09-2012, 03:24 AM
Right Lane Cruiser's Avatar
Right Lane Cruiser Right Lane Cruiser is offline
Penguin of Notagascar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Vehicles: '12 LEAF SL, '02 Insight 5spd MT
Location: Coon Rapids, MN
Posts: 20,598
Re: Honda Develops New Technology to Weld Together Steel and Aluminum

Quote:
Originally Posted by Indigo View Post
When transparent aluminum finally gets discovered, it will be by Honda.
I think they are too late. Have a look at the link below:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/tra...inum-armor.htm
__________________
- Sean

<-- She got to drive an EV before I did!!

I'm a slow driver with a FASed car!

New? Start here!
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Advanced High Strength Steels – Light as Aluminum and Cheap As Steel xcel In the News 3 11-22-2011 11:13 AM
Aluminum and steel slug it out to become the lighter, stronger metal for cars ALS In the News 22 11-01-2011 04:56 PM
FS: HCHII (Honda Civic hybrid) OEM aluminum rims + dunlop tires bill717 For-Sale/Wanted 2 10-08-2010 03:55 AM
RTI develops technology to light an energy-efficient and green future xcel In the News 1 02-17-2010 08:11 AM
Honda develops new U3-X personal mobility system xcel Honda 4 09-24-2009 11:57 PM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:33 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2006 - 2013, Clean MPG LLC. All Rights Reserved.