|
|
In the News News items that may be of interest. These show up on the front page. Only Moderators may start threads,
but anyone can respond to them. |
Welcome to the CleanMPG forums.
Some posts may describe situations which may in some cases be unsafe or illegal in some jurisdictions. Please use common sense and consult your local laws to make sure you do not hurt yourself or others or break any laws. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view discussions, articles and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!
If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact support.
|
Ford’s Focus Diesel Honored Yet Again in Europe… Nowhere To Be Found Here However :(
 |
|

05-14-2012, 12:23 PM
|
 |
PZEV, there's nothing like it :)
|
|
Join Date: Feb 2006
Vehicles: Accord, Ranger, and anything else ;)
Location: Northern Illinois
Posts: 42,705
|
|
|
Ford’s Focus Diesel Honored Yet Again in Europe… Nowhere To Be Found Here However :(
The best C-Segment car at the 2012 diesel car awards was none other than the Focus with the mighty 1.6L TDCi.
Wayne Gerdes - CleanMPG - May 14, 2012
2012 Ford Focus – In Europe, Ford’s diesels continue to win awards. In the US, its Direct Injected 2.0L counterpart doesn’t even garner press?
Can it have anything to do with a 66.5 mpgUS combined rating on the NEDC and maybe 53 mpgUS combined on our own EPA for the upcoming Focus ECOnetic vs. the US spec’ed Focus SFE with the 2.0L allowing an eye popping, hold onto your hats folks, blockbusting 33 mpgUS combined rating! Surely it could not have anything to do with that?
Dateline Europe: The all-new European Ford Focus is the best C-Segment diesel car available thanks to its contemporary style and refinement according to Diesel Car magazine at its 2012 awards.
According to the magazine, buyers are particularly attracted to its style and contemporary cabin. The all-new Ford Focus fought off competitors including the Hyundai i30 and Volkswagen Golf.
Quote:
|
“Still the one to beat among mid-size family cars, the Ford Focus is simply the best in its class.”
|
Here in the US, lots of $’s are having to be placed on the hood to move it because there is nothing in the propulsion equation to make it stand out
The Focus has just surpassed the landmark 1,500,000 sales since its launch in 1998 and continues to dominate the segment overseas. The all-new Focus is recognized for its driver assistance technologies and refined drive, and offers a number of fuel efficient powertrains including the popular 1.6 TDCi which returns 53.6 mpgUS combined on the NEDC or about 43 mpgUS on the EPA.
It only gets better… For the Europeans
The 1.6L turbo diesel engine has been further optimized with a new injection system and turbocharger, enhanced charge-air cooling and friction-reduction technologies. It will be introduced in the UK market next month as the Focus ECOnetic that would be rated at a stupid high 53 mpgUS or so combined rating here in the US!
Andy Barratt, Ford Britain Sales Director said in a prepared statement the following:
Quote:
|
"50 percent of Focus’ purchased today are diesels and we look forward to welcoming the Focus ECOnetic to the range shortly. This will be the most fuel-efficient non-hybrid family car currently available in all of Europe."
|
I can almost hear the Ford managers in Europe laughing at us because we are so wasteful 
__________________
Last edited by xcel : 05-14-2012 at 12:30 PM.
|

05-14-2012, 07:36 PM
|
 |
Moderator
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2007
Vehicles: 2013 Passat SE 6 Manual
Location: Chicago
Posts: 296
|
|
|
Re: Ford’s Focus Diesel Honored Yet Again in Europe… Nowhere To Be Found Here However
I've been aware of the ECOnetic diesel for some time now, and have referred people to the product spec page so they can see what is denied to Americans. http://www.econetic.ford.eu/?locale=en-gb&version= It's really, really hard to take Ford seriously when they pimp the SFE that gets half the mileage the diesel version does.
__________________
|

05-14-2012, 07:41 PM
|
 |
Bible Scholar, Environmentalist
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2008
Vehicles: 2001 Honda Accord; 2009 Honda Pilot
Location: Weatherford, TX
Posts: 734
|
|
|
Re: Ford’s Focus Diesel Honored Yet Again in Europe… Nowhere To Be Found Here However
Someone remind me why we.don't get those here?
|

05-14-2012, 08:28 PM
|
 |
Moderator
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2007
Vehicles: 2013 Passat SE 6 Manual
Location: Chicago
Posts: 296
|
|
|
Re: Ford’s Focus Diesel Honored Yet Again in Europe… Nowhere To Be Found Here However
Because gas isn't $8 per gallon like Europe.
__________________
|

05-14-2012, 09:10 PM
|
 |
Bible Scholar, Environmentalist
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2008
Vehicles: 2001 Honda Accord; 2009 Honda Pilot
Location: Weatherford, TX
Posts: 734
|
|
|
Re: Ford’s Focus Diesel Honored Yet Again in Europe… Nowhere To Be Found Here However
That shouldn't be the reason. Perhaps emissions or something? I guess I'm wondering if the reason is on the manufacturer side (car companies choose not to do it) or on the regulation side (gov't says those cars are not allowed here).
|

05-14-2012, 09:43 PM
|
|
Veteran
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 6,464
|
|
|
Re: Ford’s Focus Diesel Honored Yet Again in Europe… Nowhere To Be Found Here However
cost... the engine itself is built to a different standard, plus all the emission control devices are also expensive. You really are better off with a Prius.
|

05-14-2012, 11:00 PM
|
 |
Veteran
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Vehicles: 2010 VW Golf TDI
Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba
Posts: 2,301
|
|
|
Re: Ford’s Focus Diesel Honored Yet Again in Europe… Nowhere To Be Found Here However
Plus running the car through the gauntlet of EPA and safety tests just to sell a few Econetics just doesn't make sense. If we were ever to get a Ford diesel here, it will be an engine that they can put into many different vehicles.
__________________
Regards,
Mike S.
|

05-14-2012, 11:42 PM
|
 |
Moderator
|
|
Join Date: Mar 2007
Vehicles: 2013 Passat SE 6 Manual
Location: Chicago
Posts: 296
|
|
|
Re: Ford’s Focus Diesel Honored Yet Again in Europe… Nowhere To Be Found Here However
Given the regulatory hurdles, it's no wonder. Spend years and tens of thousands just to bring one car to market. Although if he were so inclined, I"m sure the President could use the bully pulpit to demand the regulations be changed to hasten the approval process. The auto companies need to understand these would be halo cars-imagine how good a company looks if they have cars with this kind of mileage. As a former VW owner, I can testify to the mileage potential-my 2010 Golf could exceed the rated mileage, both city and highway, by 15 MPG with a little care. Were it not for VW's failure to man up and admit to the problems of grenading HPFP's I'd still have one.
__________________
|

05-15-2012, 01:53 AM
|
|
Senior Member
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2010
Vehicles: 95 Odyssey, 95 Civic
Location: NC, USA
Posts: 456
|
|
|
Re: Ford’s Focus Diesel Honored Yet Again in Europe… Nowhere To Be Found Here However
Quote:
Originally Posted by herm
cost... the engine itself is built to a different standard, plus all the emission control devices are also expensive. You really are better off with a Prius.
|
I think you will find that a UK £20,700 47 mpg(Imp) combined 1.6 Liter Ecoboost costs the same or a little more than a £20,045 67 mpg(Imp) combined 1.6 Liter turbo diesel at the same trim level, see
http://www.autocar.co.uk/SpecsPrices...Zetec-S/64570/
http://www.autocar.co.uk/SpecsPrices...Zetec-S/64571/
Quote:
Originally Posted by seftonm
Plus running the car through the gauntlet of EPA and safety tests just to sell a few Econetics just doesn't make sense. If we were ever to get a Ford diesel here, it will be an engine that they can put into many different vehicles.
|
There is a flaw in your logic ... the Fiesta, Focus, Transit Connect. C-Max and soon the Transit are already safety certified.
The only thing that seems to need certification is engine, controls, transmission, and emissions abatement. Restrict the choices to 1.6 Liters and 2.0 Liters with AT and MT and the certification suddenly becomes a relatively small problem.
Maybe an engine <1.6 Liters in the future for the Fiesta ... but the 1.6 Duratorq (95PS) (+DPF) (ECO) MT Fiesta is already VCA rated 78.5 mpg(Imp) combined ... what ... about 65 mpg(US) on the NEDC test cycle ... probably a US user average in mixed driving about 60 mpg(US) if consistent with VW's US diesel Jetta and Passat experience.
In fact ... over 14 months ago a Ford exec (Kuzak) said it "would be easy for Ford" because they had the technology ... BUT ... they were NOT going to do it.
Last edited by 50 mpg by 2012 : 05-15-2012 at 08:16 PM.
|

05-15-2012, 02:57 AM
|
 |
Moderator
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2011
Vehicles: 06 Honda FR-V 2.2 i-CTDi Sport, 10 Honda Jazz (Fit) 1.2 Si, 05 Honda Jazz (Fit) 1.2 S
Location: Nottinghamshire, UK
Posts: 1,375
|
|
|
Re: Ford’s Focus Diesel Honored Yet Again in Europe… Nowhere To Be Found Here However
Quote:
Originally Posted by 50 mpg by 2012
|
And this compares to the base spec Prius at £21,600 72.4 mpg(Imp) rising to £24,910 for the top spec.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/SpecsPrices...VT-i-T3/64950/
Jeremy Clarkson of the UK's Top Gear program tweeted this:
"I'm driving a one litre Ford Focus. And amazingly, it actually moves about"
__________________
Gord

Best and Longest Tank: 56.6 / 768.0 
Best segment: 97.4 / 6.1
|
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
|
|
|
| Thread Tools |
|
|
| Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|