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A Volt in Milwaukee

At the Milwaukee Hybrid Group Meet to be exact.

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Wayne Gerdes - CleanMPG - Mar. 20, 2011

2011 Chevrolet Volt -- Can Green be both Bad @$$ and Kick @$$ at the same time?

Oak Creek, WI -- A late winter gathering of 60 plus members of the Milwaukee Hybrid Group took place this afternoon with a specification overview and an owner’s perspective of possibly the most advanced automobile platform on the planet. That being GM’s engineering “Moon Shot” called the 2011 Chevrolet Volt.

New and old members alike were engaged with or dare I say entertained by answering interesting questions on a number of topics from US and World oil consumption to hypermiling friendly driving habits. And regardless of the answers to questions both easy and hard, everyone was provided Snickers and Milky Way bites which is a great way to start off a long morning and afternoon of presentations.

The Volt

I requested a GM Representative to present the Volt in a fashion they are very much accustomed to as of late but being in the midst of the vehicles rollout and overwhelmed with requests similar to mine, they were not able to attend. They did however offer to Skype in but the Group Meet facility unfortunately lacks the capability at this point in time

In lieu of their attendance, I built a PowerPoint overview of the Volt given our coverage of the vehicle over the last 4 years. In addition, Bill Robbins of Hybridfest fame was on hand to provide members in attendance a PowerPoint on the “Volt from an Owners Perspective”. And a great perspective it was too!

2011 Chevrolet VOLT Overview

CleanMPG and Milwaukee Hybrid Group - Mar. 19, 2011

Chevrolet’s PHEV/E-REV… Yes, we discussed the differences and it is a moot point.


The one and only 2011 Chevrolet VOLT.

A quick overview of the VOLT that is currently available at some dealerships within initial launch states around the country.

Future Competitors
  • 2012 Toyota Prius PHEV
  • 2012 Ford Focus C-MAX Energi PHEV Hybrid
At this point in time, there really are no true competitors to the Volt as the LEAF is a pure BEV and everything else is an HEV of one sort or another. All told, the BEV/HEV segments lack the capability that the Volt provides its owners day in and day out.

Where did the Preview come from? Last fall’s preview drive at the LA Auto Show Press Event and literally years of CleanMPG coverage.

Pricing

MSRP: $40,280
Destination: $720
Tax Credit "Available" for those that qualify: $7,500

Lease $350/mo with $2,500 down with the $7,500 TC going to GM.

Options:

Rear Camera and Park Assist Package: $695
Premium Trim Package (Leather Heated Seats): $1,395

Basic Specs:

84 HP 1.4L Gas Engine and a 149 HP Electric Motor

Performance: 100 mph top speed and 0 to 60 in < 9.0 seconds

Passenger Volume: 90 cu. ft.
Luggage Capacity: 10.6 cu. ft.

2011 Chevrolet Volt Availability - Launch States

Initially available in California, Michigan (delayed), Washington, D.C., Texas, New York, New Jersey and Connecticut.

Customers nationwide will be able to order Volts from participating dealers in the second quarter of 2011.

Deliveries will begin in Virginia, Maryland, Delaware, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii in the third quarter.

During the fourth quarter, Chevrolet expects to deliver Volts in all 50 states.

2011 Chevrolet Volt EPA Rating(s)


Confusing Monroney sticker discussed.

Synopsis?

Electric: 35 miles All-Electric Range (Your Range May Vary) -- Gasoline: 35 city/40 mpg highway (Your Mileage May Vary)

2011 Chevrolet Volt Aerodynamics

Cd = 0.287. And yes, it is more aerodynamic than the Prius’ 0.25 stated Cd… Make your own conclusions

Full underbody plastic aero shielding, sculpted front fascia, front air dam, aerodynamic mirrors and rear spoiler.


Volt aerodynamics up close and personal.

2011 Chevrolet Volt Battery Detail

Type: LG Chem Li-Ion with 288 prismatic Cells
Weight: 435 lb with an active liquid cooling control system

Battery Temperature control -- GM maintains the Volt’s Li-Ion battery within a 2 degrees C temperature range across the entire pack using an active liquid coolant system.

Three different systems regulate the coolant temperature.
  • When the Volt is plugged in and charging in cold weather: An electric heater is used to warm the coolant and pre-heat the battery.

  • During normal operations, coolant is passed through a heat exchanger mounted up front to cool the battery.

  • An air conditioning circuit can be used to dissipate heat from the battery when temperatures really climb.
Charging times:

120 V Circuit: About 8 - 10 hours (actual charge times may vary)
240 V Circuit: About 3 - 4 hours (actual charge times may vary)


Battery and Vehicle water inundation testing. Just one of many QC hurdles.

2011 Chevrolet Volt Warranties

Volt Battery Warranty - Eight-Years or 100,000-Mile’s and is transferable at no cost to other vehicle owners. The comprehensive battery warranty covers all 161 battery components in addition to the thermal management system, charging system and electric drive components.

Standard Vehicle Warranty

3-year/36,000-mile bumper-to-bumper coverage
5-year/100,000-mile roadside assistance and courtesy transportation
5-year/100,000-mile limited gas engine coverage
6-year/100,000-mile corrosion protection coverage


A Volt traversing a River Canyon.

2011 Chevrolet Volt Drive Modes

Normal, Sport and Mountain plus two climatic modes - Eco and Comfort.
  • Normal mode is default - Press the accelerator pedal an average distance for very normal acceleration feel.

  • Sport Mode (you will have to manually select) - Press the accelerator pedal an average distance for better than average acceleration.

  • Mountain mode sets a larger reserve capacity from the battery (Higher SOC allowed). Close to 1.5X’s the AER appears to be available when selected but an inordinate amount of fuel consumption will occur to receive it.
Eco and Comfort modes:

Comfort is comfortable.
Eco mode is comfortable for some of us

Using heated seats is far more efficient than heating the cabin.


Working end of the Chevrolet Volt.

2011 Chevrolet Volt Telematics – The Killer App(s)

High-resolution displays, connectivity and the ability to monitor and control vehicle functions remotely.
  • 7” full-color LCD Driver Information Center display showing electric-only range, fuel economy, extended-range, trip information, tire pressure information and other key vehicle messages.

  • 7” full-color LCD Center Stack-mounted display that serves as the interface for infotainment and cabin climate controls. An Efficiency (Leaf) switch accesses energy usage, power flow and charging screens – easy to use and understand.

  • Key fob allows drivers to remotely start the vehicle and precondition the cabin based on outside temperatures.

  • An exclusive mobile app, powered by OnStar MyLink, that enables owners to engage with the Volt functions using a smart phone.
2011 Chevrolet Volt Fuel Tank and Fuel Use

“Maintenance mode”: If the engine hasn’t started after six weeks, a message appears telling the driver that the engine needs to run for maintenance. Volt drivers can defer the engine maintenance mode for up to 24 hours, after which the engine will run for a while on its own to use up some of the gas and keep the internals lubricated and ready for use.

If a driver manages to go a full year between fill-ups, the fuel maintenance mode will run the engine until the old gas is used up or the driver adds fresh fuel.

In the words of Volt fuel tank engineer:
Quote:
“For the driver who starts the year with a full tank of 9.3 gallons and runs 15,000 miles on electricity, the maintenance mode will use just enough gas to average a very respectable 1,613 miles per gallon."
Tires: The Volt comes equipped with fuel-efficient all-season Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max P215/55R/17 tires that help to achieve its EPA all-electric range of 35 miles.

Volt GoodYear Assurance Fuel Max Tires


Actual GoodYear Assurance Fuel MAX as mounted on Bill Robbin’s own 2011 Chevrolet Volt.

Compared to the original Goodyear Assurance tire, the “Volt Specific” Assurance Fuel Max tires provide a 27 percent reduction in rolling resistance which equates to a 4 percent improvement in highway fuel economy.

Rims: Forged aluminum wheels provided by Alcoa provide increased strength, durability and are lighter than a comparable cast aluminum wheel. The seventeen-inch wheels fitted to Volt weigh just 17.8 lbs each!

Even the Sound System is Efficient!

The Volt Bose Energy Efficient Series sound system decent sound yet is 30 percent smaller, 40 percent lighter, and uses 50 percent less energy than a conventional sound system. The electrical energy savings results in increased all-electric drive capability equivalent to removing up to 50 pounds of mass!

2011 Chevrolet Volt Awards:
  • 2011 North American Car of the Year
  • Motor Trend 2011 Car of the Year
  • Green Car Journal 2011 Green Car of the Year
  • Car and Driver 10 Best for 2011
  • Ward’s AutoWorld 10 Best Engines for 2011
  • AUTOMOBILE Magazine 2011 Automobile of the Year
  • 2010 Breakthrough Technology, by Popular Mechanics
2011 Chevrolet Volt


The dawning of a new age at GM. And the Volt, their best effort to date, is a good one!

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The 2011 Volt from an Owner’s Perspective

While I should have been taking notes, Bill Robbin’s gave an excellent presentation discussing the many plus’ and the few missteps that he has uncovered all the while enjoying his Volt far more than he ever enjoyed his previous second generation Prius! I think that statement alone gives you an idea of what this ground breaking vehicle brings to the table.


Bill Robbins in front of Milwaukee Hybrid Group discussing his Volt owner experiences.


And of course his baby.


Bill’s 2011 Chevrolet -- PLUG IN Indeed!


Would you want to own and drive this American wonder? I would!

With the meet concluded and most members heading back for home, Bill allowed Randy Mays and I to take the Volt out for a little spin. With 15-miles of range showing on one of the energy screens after approximately 3.5-hours of being plugged into a 120V outlet at the library, I set off in a moderately heavy trafficked city route consisting of tens of stop lights over a 7.9 mile round trip. Simply rabbit timing, DWL, heavy regen in Low when caught and allowing the Volt to glide when traffic allowed, it lost 2-miles of all-electric range after 7.9 miles. Not bad for a 3,800 pound + Super car with 3-full grown men inside for the duration if I do say so myself.

We will save more detailed impressions for another time but as of now, “GM done good” and we will leave it at that for now...
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Re: A Volt in Milwaukee

Okay, we definitely need more details on that drive, Wayne.
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Thank you Wayne and Bradlee and Marie and Randy for all the work that went into organizing a fun event. What a great group of people you have in Milwaukee! And thanks Wayne for the excellent PowerPoint, and most of all for teaching me how to get more efficiency out of my Volt! You're a very good teacher Wayne, and the way you share your knowledge is inspiring. The folks over at gm-volt.com were asking me what I learned from you, so here's what I posted:

Wayne freely share his tips and tricks on his CleanMPG.com web site, so please poke around over there for great ideas. You are correct to bring up the "pulse and glide" technique as Wayne and others have used it with with great success with many cars including the Prius. And you are also correct that it doesn't really apply to the Volt.

As Wayne explained it, the "pulse" part of pulse and glide is where you accelerate somewhat quickly to match or maximize the output of the gas engine, before you start the glide. With an electric car like the Volt, you need to instead make your acceleration as slowly as possible. In fact, it would be nice if GM offered a drive mode the opposite of Sport, called Eco or something like that, where a small push on the accelerator would yield a very slow acceleration. Normal mode is almost too fast for hypermiling. You really have to feather the accelerator. Try it! It is hard to accelerate slowly on the Volt! It wants to take off, which of course makes it way fun to drive.

So instead of pulse and glide it is kind of a turtle and glide. And for the glide portion, Wayne was literally popping the Volt into Neutral as we floated along for what seemed like an eternity on some flat stretches.

I told Wayne I've become addicted to "Low" in the Volt, and I barely brake at all. But he explained to me that the real goal in hypermiling is to always avoid slowing your momentum if at all possible. So even the regen "braking" effect you get when you lift your foot off the accelerator in Low should be avoided if possible, and only used as a second-to-last resort (last resort being the brake pedal) when you really need to slow the car down. Of course slowing the car with Low is better than using the breaks. But Wayne practices extreme anticipatory driving, where he'd much rather see the stop way in advance and glide to a slow stop instead of just pulling up on the accelerator to stop with regen breaking right before the stop (as I had gotten into the habit of doing).

Half way through our trip Wayne made a U turn on a divided boulevard to point us back to our origin. Rather than breaking or otherwise slowing a lot like most of us would before a U turn, he saw no oncoming traffic and told us 2 passengers to hang on and he took the U at a higher than normal speed. Of course the Volt hugged the road with no problem with the heavy low centered battery pack. It was fun, and just another way to not slow forward momentum.

Another little trick: with three of us in the Volt, the windows started to fog up. Of course Wayne had climate control off. Rather than hitting the defrost, he opened the driver window about half and inch and also the rear passenger window about half an inch. That fresh air cross breeze cleared up the window fog right away. Opening the windows more than that would add drag, so he only opened them a bit. Yes it was 30 degrees out, but the sun was out and we all had coats on and were perfectly comfortable. I just don't think I could get away with that trick if I had my wife along.

I had my tires all at 40 PSI, which of course is over the recommended level. Hypermilers would keep them at the max listed on the sidewall: 51 PSI, and Wayne would go even higher. Some say such over inflation leads to short tire life, others disagree, so use that tip at your own risk.

There other things he described but my typing fingers are getting tired. Any one of these things would have little effect, but when you stack them all up at once you can see dramatic results. Try it!

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Hi Bill, I would have liked to been at the meeting to meet your Volt. I'm sure between you and Wayne, we will have a pretty vivid picture of the event. I'm sure i will see it this summer at Green Drive Expo. Congrats on getting the Volt!
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Tires: The Volt comes equipped with fuel-efficient all-season Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max P215/55R/17 tires that help to achieve its EPA all-electric range of 35 miles.

Speaking of tires, I'll be shopping for new tires for my Prius soon. Anyone have any comments on the Michelin Energy Saver A/S LRR tires?

http://www.michelinman.com/tire-sele...T/tire-details

The OEM Goodyear Integrity tires are down to legal tread limits and have got to go. Wet traction rating from Goodyear is a 6 compared to a 9 for their Assurance Fuel Max LRR tires.
http://www.goodyeartires.com/cfmx/we...=#passengerTab

If I had to drive the Prius much in snow, I'd have to get studded snow tires, as the traction control makes getting around on regular tires an iffy proposition.

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I missed this article the first time around, great photography!
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