User Name Password    
CleanMPG, Learn to raise fuel economy and lower emissions in whatever you drive.  
MENU
• What is hypermiling? •
CleanMPG to AAA:
• Hypermiling Rebuttal •
 
• Home
• CleanMPG Staff
• Articles
• Fuel Economy Forums
      • Register
Go Hypermiling!

   Car Reviews:

2013 Elantra GT

2013 Elantra Coupe

2013 Lexus ES 300h

2013 Mazda CX-5


2013 Lexus GS 450h

2012 Prius c

2013 Malibu Eco

2012 Hyundai Accent
   Bike and Gear Reviews:

HTC Thunderbolt

2010 R 1200 GS (A)

Kawasaki KLX250SF

Zero S


Aerostich Darien

Shoei Hornet DS

Honda CRF230L

Yamaha XT250


• More Reviews
• Gallery
• Mileage Logs
 
• CleanMPG Store
 
• Calendar
• Glossary
• Garage
• Files
 
• Research
• Related Sites
 
• Archives
• Arcade
 
• Monthly Fuel Efficient •
Vehicle Sales Figures


ScanGauge with X-Gauge: $159.95

Pre-programming, a CleanMPG laser cut decal, and shipping included!



Even better value for members only is available in the latest SG-II w/ X-Gauge Group Buy purchase thread.



While we strive to provide only the highest quality information through our members' offerings, if you find the information provided valuable, please consider a donation so that we can offer an even better experience for the membership and guests well into the future.

Thank you

-Wayne Gerdes
Owner/Admin
CleanMPG



Home Fuel Economy Forums Gallery Mileage Logs

Register FAQ Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   CleanMPG Forums » Information » In the News


In the News News items that may be of interest. These show up on the front page.
Only Moderators may start threads, but anyone can respond to them.

Welcome to the CleanMPG forums.

Some posts may describe situations which may in some cases be unsafe or illegal in some jurisdictions. Please use common sense and consult your local laws to make sure you do not hurt yourself or others or break any laws.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view discussions, articles and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact support.

Plug-in feature could bolster hybrid models.

Tags: , , , , ,

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 03-23-2006, 01:28 PM
xcel's Avatar
xcel xcel is offline
PZEV, there's nothing like it :)
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Vehicles: Accord, Ranger, and anything else ;)
Location: Northern Illinois
Posts: 42,640
Plug-in feature could bolster hybrid models.

It can put mileage in triple digits, but carmakers skeptical.

Detroit Free Press Washington Bureau - Justin Hyde - March 23, 2006



From Congress to California, there's a growing movement aimed at convincing automakers to build a new kind of gas-electric hybrid vehicle -- one that plugs into a wall outlet and can travel 100 miles on a gallon of gasoline.

Plug-in hybrids, which use larger batteries than regular hybrids to travel up to 60 miles on electricity alone, come courtesy of the same type of California garage tinkerers who invented Ping golf clubs and Apple computers.

They've attracted a nationwide pep club from a wide swath of experts and enthusiasts impatient with the auto industry's glacial pace of fuel economy improvements and the far-off future of hydrogen-powered vehicles.

Thanks to growing concerns about American dependence on foreign oil, backers of plug-in hybrids say they offer the best shot of easing demand in the next decade.

"This technology can make a bigger impact more quickly than any other transportation technology that's available or coming anytime soon," said Daryl Slusher, deputy coordinator of Plug-in Partners, a group urging automakers to build plug-in hybrids.

Automakers -- who have said many customers wrongly believe current hybrids have to be plugged in -- have been generally blasι about plug-in hybrids so far, saying the technology needs to clear several hurdles before it offers a realistic solution. With current hybrids already selling below cost, auto companies are also reluctant to increase the size of their most expensive component, the batteries.

"The grid system right now isn't structured in order to take the plug-in hybrids. We have to have a bigger battery, which makes the vehicle heavier, which affects the fuel economy," said Sue Cischke, Ford Motor Co.'s vice president of environmental and safety engineering. "I'm not saying there's not a future for it, but it sounds so great -- you plug it in and you go -- and it's a lot more complicated than that,"

The first plug-in hybrid was built by University of California-Davis Professor Andrew Frank with his students about 1990, as part of his research into electric vehicles. The idea was to design a vehicle that will run solely on electric power for short distances that account for the majority of driving trips -- from 20 to 60 miles -- and recharge overnight, when electric plants have surplus capacity.

In addition to fuel economy in the triple digits, backers say plug-in hybrids would reduce emissions, since electric power is generally cleaner than burning gasoline, and can come from renewable sources like wind power.

James Woolsey, the former CIA director, has been talking up plug-in hybrids to members of Congress for the past couple of years as essential to reducing imports of oil from the Middle East. His efforts have begun to get some traction: Earlier this month, Sen. Barak Obama, D-Ill., called for all government vehicles to be plug-in hybrids.

"The combination of 9/11 and $60-a-barrel oil is something that has changed a lot of people's mentality on this," said Woolsey, who owns two Toyota hybrids. "This is a parade the participants are forming."

Detroit's prior experiments with electric vehicles have often foundered over basic problems with batteries. One ton of traditional car batteries can't hold as much energy as in one gallon of gasoline. More exotic materials, like lithium and nickel alloys, can more than triple battery capacity, but cost even more. General Motors Corp. spokesman Brian Corbett said plug-in hybrids "were on its radar screen," but that they are costly and complex compared to regular hybrid designs. Plug-in hybrids "typically have bigger batteries, which are usually the most expensive part of a hybrid car," Corbett said.

eDrive Systems, a California company, plans to offer a plug-in conversion for the Toyota Prius in April that will add 180 pounds in lithium-ion batteries, allowing the Prius to get about 100 m.p.g. and drive up to 35 miles on electricity alone. The cost: $10,000 to $12,000.

Greg Hanssen, president of eDrive, said the company is working on conversions for other hybrid models, including the Ford Escape, even though plug-ins are "not something that's economically viable and probably won't be in the next five years."

"I can see a point in the future where battery costs get low enough, and the technology gets good enough, and gas prices get high enough, that this makes sense," he said. "You could argue that when the Prius was first introduced five years ago there was no basis for any hybrid, because gas was a buck-fifty a gallon."

The only automaker to embrace the technology so far is DaimlerChrysler AG, which has agreed to build 40 plug-in hybrid Sprinter delivery vans for testing around the world.

The first U.S. plug-in Sprinter, which gets 30% better fuel economy and can travel 20 miles on electricity alone, is expected to hit the streets of Los Angeles soon, in a partnership with electric utilities. Chrysler spokesman Nick Cappa said the automaker was interested in seeing how the technology worked in commercial vehicles.
__________________
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 03-23-2006, 01:52 PM
Chuck Chuck is offline
just the messenger
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Vehicles: 2000 Honda Enzyte 5-speed MIMA, CalPod, SGII
Location: Greater Dallas
Posts: 22,878
Re: Plug-in feature could bolster hybrid models.

My work commute is 50 miles a day, so in theory it could be done in EV mode.

I'd be happy with and EV mode that "just" gets me up to cruising before the gas engine engages.

Plug-ins could reduce the ozone days in Dallas.
__________________
All is vanity
Reply With Quote
  #3   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 03-23-2006, 03:16 PM
xcel's Avatar
xcel xcel is offline
PZEV, there's nothing like it :)
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Vehicles: Accord, Ranger, and anything else ;)
Location: Northern Illinois
Posts: 42,640
Re: Plug-in feature could bolster hybrid models.

Hi Chuck:

___Boy would that be great and is a goal of the next gen hybrids. 0 to 37 + mph won’t cut it in the not to distant future. We need both a 0 - 55 + EV speed range and around town pure EV at cheap PHEV - electricity pricing. Once up to 55 +, let a smaller displacement ICE come online for highway cruise and bringing back the SoC if need be.

___Good Luck

___Wayne
__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Fed, State, and Corporate hybrid purchase incentives. Yesterday, today, and tomorrow. xcel Articles 2 12-04-2006 10:17 AM
The hybrid-car tax credit challenge. xcel In the News 0 08-17-2006 01:17 PM
Prepare to Plug in for 100-mpg Hybrids. xcel In the News 0 08-02-2006 01:39 AM
Growing Awareness, Rising Gas Prices Boost Sales of Ford’s Hybrid Models. xcel Ford 0 06-03-2006 09:55 AM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:32 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2006 - 2013, Clean MPG LLC. All Rights Reserved.