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"UnBell the Wind Turbines?"

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Old 10-08-2010, 09:44 PM
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"UnBell the Wind Turbines?"

Wind turbines blamed for rapid heart beat, nausea and blurred vision caused by the machines’ ultra-low-frequency sound and vibrations.

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/Smart_Grid_-_Wind_Turbines.jpg
Tom Zeller Jr. - MSNBC - Oct 5, 2010

While there have been reports like this, it seems most people are OK. I visited a wind farm on US 287 in Lamar Colorado and enjoyed it! There are other form of pollution more deadly than this one. --Ed.

Vinalhaven, Maine — Like nearly all of the residents on this island in Penobscot Bay, Art Lindgren and his wife, Cheryl, celebrated the arrival of three giant wind turbines late last year. That was before they were turned on.

“In the first 10 minutes, our jaws dropped to the ground,” Mr. Lindgren said. “Nobody in the area could believe it. They were so loud.”


Now, the Lindgrens, along with a dozen or so neighbors living less than a mile from the $15 million wind facility here, say the industrial whoosh-and-whoop of the 123-foot blades is making life in this otherwise tranquil corner of the island unbearable.... [Read More]

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Re: "UnBell the Wind Turbines?"

They can probably reduce the blade noise with the redesign of the blades. The technology exists since military has been working on quieting helicopters. The main other problem with wind turbines is the slicing and dicing of any birds and bats passing through the reach of their blades. It may appear to turning slowly, but in a good wind the tips of those 100'+ blades can be travelling at speeds just short of supersonic. Aerial fauna don't have much of a chance at dodging a blade coming at 500mph when they are flying along at 30mph and don't have the behavioral instincts to dodge propeller blades.

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Old 10-09-2010, 07:51 AM
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Re: "UnBell the Wind Turbines?"

But what choice is there?
Coal has killed and shortened the lives of many many 100,000's -and this is just the USA.
A little bit of noise-and some dead birds seem fair trade.
Same story with NUKES- except mining Uranium has killed fair numbers of folks(lung disease-cancer and silicosis- and the usual problems of hard rock mining).Still Nukes are much safer than burning coal.
We have to pick our poison.Wind and Nukes-and various water schemes- seem like good choices relative to mining and burning coal.We will run out of gas and petro, so can't count on them long term.
The CO2 problem is another consideration-and buying fuel from enemies-
Lotta reasons to find another source of energy.

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Re: "UnBell the Wind Turbines?"

About bird mortality:

http://science.howstuffworks.com/env...kill-birds.htm
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Old 10-09-2010, 09:22 AM
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Re: "UnBell the Wind Turbines?"

Reality check..
Dyson vacuum cleaners are the experts with wind tunnel management.
That goes all the way back to Victor Shaumburger.
the design of those 100' foot blades is to keep people out of doing this for themselves.
it is all funded by taxpayers monies... all too big...to remove.
Specialized people to service the equipment.
The pulsating sounds of the wind being chopped...is detremental to any and all natural wildlife in the area....humans included.
There are several technologies more environmentally friendly....that they do not want people to know about...that can be installed individually...mantained at a much lower total cost.
The illusion the government interference is a good thing dates back to 1934...
when the world's best experts stated that ethanol produced correctly...
will outperform diesel 2-1....have no harmful exhaust gases.
Henry Ford himself...knew this to be a fact...tryed to impliment this thecnology...
after WW2...
he was intimidated by the oil companies/steel companies/ coal comapanies/unions at the time...and governments...so that he stopped his efforts.
so that the USA would not remain agricultural dominated society....self sufficient.
Nuke energy was just emerging...infancy status...had to have enough nuke materials to defend ourselves from the insanity of power....after bombing Japan.
Any and all innovations to reduce the fossil fuel consumption has been thwarted by many people in political power.
1935...Garrett carbed engines operated on water...hydrogen basically...yet noone knows of the Garrett carb until I re-visited the blueprints...and determined why it worked so well.
It has been re-classified as a true electrolytic hydrogen generation system by the US Patent Office.
That is why we have not known about alternate choices...of energy management.
As far as I am concerned the huge windmills are a JOKE on the people who promote them.
Every time a windmill farm is installed...political favors are at the source.
Everytime one of those windmill farms are installed...
goverment agencies have complete control of that property...forever.
land aquisition...'emminent domane' with a new 'legal twist' of wordsmithing.
Think about that aspect.
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Re: "UnBell the Wind Turbines?"

Ahhh

"There are several technologies more environmentally friendly....that they do not want people to know about...that can be installed individually...mantained at a much lower total cost.
The illusion the government interference is a good thing dates back to 1934."..

Just what are these hidden suppressed technologies?

Don't give me any of this " runs on water perpetual motion"" BS-don't think saying "electrolytic hydrogen" generation is going to impress anyone here.
We all know that it takes energy- lots of energy- to unburn water and get Hydrogen gas-
You ALWAYS ALWAYS get out less than you put in.

Where does the energy to reduce H2O come from?

Yes there are always political forces at work-and big corps basically buy our representatives-

but if there was some simple, cheap,simple energy source out there-someone would be trying to make a $$ on it.
We stick with oil and coal BECAUSE IT IS CHEAP to bring to market-simple as that.
Now are they-fossil fuels-it actually "cheap" in a larger sense(Global warming and giving enemies we are fighting money to build A-bombs)? Probably not-and we'll run out of cheap oil soon enough, coal in many hundreds of years.

So tell us about these technologies.
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Re: "UnBell the Wind Turbines?"

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You ALWAYS ALWAYS get out less than you put in.
Except nuclear power.
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Re: "UnBell the Wind Turbines?"

I was referring to chemical reactions-when you reverse them-turn water into H2 and O2- then re-reverse them-you get less out than you put in.
It would hold for nuclear reactions also, but we don't attempt to reverse them(can't to any extent).

We only reverse chemical reactions because sometimes it is more convenient to carry energy as H2 than stuffed in a battery. 100 lbs of H2 or gasoline will get you about 600 miles- 100 lbs of battery-maybe 5-miles.

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Re: "UnBell the Wind Turbines?"

Altamont Pass in CA is the source of most of the wind-turbine bird deaths. Otherwise the bird mortality from wind towers is pretty minimal.

I'm not 100% ready to dismiss the health concerns -- it's become a big issue here in Oregon, and I don't think there's been enough study. But it is curious that the complaints tend to come from people who aren't making money leasing their land to the power companies, and very rarely from people who are. This all plays very well into traditional rural paranoia about becoming a colony of the urban masses (even though there wouldn't be any jobs or money in rural Oregon if it weren't for (1) supplying goods and services to the urban masses and (2) the gubmint).

The money angle has been pretty interesting. Farmers lucky enough to have the right piece of land are making more money from wind than from farming. Those who aren't that lucky, or who aren't farmers, are making squat from this individually, though their local governments are. I just heard that a small county in north-central Oregon, which normally has a $4M annual budget, has an $8M surplus this year (over and above the $4m normal) thanks to revenues from wind power. They're building a fancy new library and all sorts of great stuff for their constituents.

ps ... wtf does "UnBell" mean?
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Re: "UnBell the Wind Turbines?"

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So tell us about these technologies.
Yupper, yupper, it's the HULL EFFECT of course!

Roberts been trolling his HULL EFFECT here for sometime, but hasn't got much attention.

The usual conspiracy stuff, 200mpg V8 carburetor land.
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