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Old 04-30-2008, 06:52 AM
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Re: Hypermiling the Ford Escape Hybrid ...

Andrew, members here typically use the block heater all the way through summer because of the benefits it offers. I'm in MN and I can tell you without a doubt (even though I don't drive an FEH!) that the block heater is worth the investment. Consider that the most wear for your engine occurs when the engine is cold and I think you'll agree that the block heater is worth the enhancement in engine longevity alone -- even ignoring all the other benefits you'll get!

Welcome to the forums and do let us know as you come up with more questions -- we love to help!
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Old 04-30-2008, 08:36 AM
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Hi Andrew,

I agree with Sean, the block heater will definitely help. My winters are not as cold as yours, but without the block heater it takes over 3 km to get my temperature up to the 68C necessary to go EV, but with the heat its less than .8 km.

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Hi Gary,

I realize this is an old post, but the info is all new and relevant to me in that I just bought a 2005 FEH AWD and a Scan GaugeII

I live in a very cold climate--and soon to move to the world's second coldest capital: Ottawa. So my question to you is...
Do you think it worth the $700 odd dollars it costs to get the engine block heater/battery warmer installed? I'm expecting to get very poor MPG in -20 Celsius, so I imagine that being able to "plug it in" at night (unfortunately not to charge the battery) would help somewhat.

In the first few days, I managed to get my average MPG up to 31 at one point using your techniques, but finding it very difficult to stay there. Hoping the scan gauge will help.

Looking forward to your reply.

Andrew
Hi Andrew

The $700 seems a bit steep to me because many post have claim the cost at less than half that. If you can't order the parts and install it your self, I'd gets some bids before paying that much. In your conditions, a block heater is a good idea above the mileage savings. My understanding is (I don't have one here in FL) the block heater should be on a timer for 3 hours prior to you commute to not over do it with household energy. Do some coolant and head temperature monitoring with a SGII to adjust what works better with your conditions as far as when and how long to plug the heater in.

I just ordered a new '09 FWD FEH and found I can't order the block heater as an option. It comes standard in some states that have freezing weather, and is a option only on approved fleet sales. I may get a price on adding it on the new FEH and determine if I want to save a little money and do it myself.

Make sure you do the radiator blocks mentioned in many threads and most importantly read my post on the FEH patented warm-up strategy here in the Ford section. The SGII SoC gauge is great to monitor at what stage the strategy is at with SoC levels dropping below the minimum 40% to as low as 32%. I have two SGII to monitor and I need both to stay on top of my mileage much better. You can see how I have them mounted in my photo gallery.

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Old 05-01-2008, 08:28 AM
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Thanks Sean, Rob, and Gary

Nice to feel like I'm not the only slow-driving enviro geek out there.

Things are generally that much more expensive in the Great White North, but I will certainly check out other options--although installing something myself may be a bit beyond me...The whole "tape up your radiator grill" thing feels counterintuitive, but makes sense.

Another question: How does one get the Scan Gauge to read the SoC? I'm assuming I have to put in a code in XGauge mode and then get some values back, interpret them, do some "MTH" and then give it a name...then it appears as a selectable option in "Gauge"?...I tried it once with a code that I found here in the forums (which I can't seem to find again), but I think the car was off. Not realizing at first that "Send" actually meant that SGII was communicating with the car's computer.

Not to be too much of a complainer while I'm still so new to these posts, but the ScanGauge II Manual is terribly unclear--definitely intended for those already "in the know" and not for newbies like me who just want great MPG and who don't want to do tons of research and learning in order to pull out of the driveway. What are PIDs anyway? Why can't the pdf on ScanGauge's web site with all the values for XGauge and the various vehicles simply tell you "for SoC readout, do this"? I have no idea what to do with those numbers.

Again, thanks for the responses. I will have to do some more reading when time permits...perhaps I will even write a "Hypermiling for Dummies" article.

Andrew
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Re: Hypermiling the Ford Escape Hybrid ...

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Hi Gary,

I realize this is an old post, but the info is all new and relevant to me in that I just bought a 2005 FEH AWD and a Scan GaugeII

I live in a very cold climate--and soon to move to the world's second coldest capital: Ottawa. So my question to you is...
Do you think it worth the $700 odd dollars it costs to get the engine block heater/battery warmer installed? I'm expecting to get very poor MPG in -20 Celsius, so I imagine that being able to "plug it in" at night (unfortunately not to charge the battery) would help somewhat.

In the first few days, I managed to get my average MPG up to 31 at one point using your techniques, but finding it very difficult to stay there. Hoping the scan gauge will help.

Looking forward to your reply.

Andrew
Hi Andrew --

Welcome, & congratulations on your '05 FEH - it is a great little SUV

Are you sure yours doesn't already have an EBH? I drove mine for a year before I took a close look at the sticker & found mine had one that came standard I had to ask a tech at my dealership where it was - & it took *2* of them to find it The plug tucks up under the front license-plate. There's a little ledge up there where it fits while not in use, & even stays clean in rain & snow

If you have the sticker for it, check there, or ask at your dealer. (I apologize if you've already done this )

I can tell you from experience, the EBH *does* make a difference - so does a grille-block

Beyond that, read & re-read GaryG's & Wayne's articles & just keep adding new techniques to your hypermiling repertoire. We look forward to hearing about your progress
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Old 05-01-2008, 01:08 PM
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Re: Hypermiling the Ford Escape Hybrid ...

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Thanks Sean, Rob, and Gary

Nice to feel like I'm not the only slow-driving enviro geek out there.

Things are generally that much more expensive in the Great White North, but I will certainly check out other options--although installing something myself may be a bit beyond me...The whole "tape up your radiator grill" thing feels counterintuitive, but makes sense.

Another question: How does one get the Scan Gauge to read the SoC? I'm assuming I have to put in a code in XGauge mode and then get some values back, interpret them, do some "MTH" and then give it a name...then it appears as a selectable option in "Gauge"?...I tried it once with a code that I found here in the forums (which I can't seem to find again), but I think the car was off. Not realizing at first that "Send" actually meant that SGII was communicating with the car's computer.

Not to be too much of a complainer while I'm still so new to these posts, but the ScanGauge II Manual is terribly unclear--definitely intended for those already "in the know" and not for newbies like me who just want great MPG and who don't want to do tons of research and learning in order to pull out of the driveway. What are PIDs anyway? Why can't the pdf on ScanGauge's web site with all the values for XGauge and the various vehicles simply tell you "for SoC readout, do this"? I have no idea what to do with those numbers.

Again, thanks for the responses. I will have to do some more reading when time permits...perhaps I will even write a "Hypermiling for Dummies" article.

Andrew
In the gallery I have a list of xgauges for the FEH. The entries for TXD,RXF,RXD,MTH, and even NAM are there, but you can make up any NAM that you like.
http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/...FEH_xgauge.JPG

There are many,many more possible xgauges, but not that many that are useful for every day driving. In fact, a lot on the list above I rarely ever use, but they could be useful in debugging if the need arises.

For me, SoC is ALWAYS there, MxC, CHT, Tav are usually there,depending on what conditions I'm driving in. I also have current fuel economy as an xgauge.
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Re: Hypermiling the Ford Escape Hybrid ...

Thanks Carl,

That did the trick. I now have Current MPG, RPM, SoC, and eCVT Temperature on the Gauge. I think that's all I need until I get used to the car a little more and actually do some driving.

For the moment I've only been making 10 minute trips and it's quite difficult to get above 30MPG with little chance to warm up. I did get 46 MPG on a return trip this morning, so something is working right!

Going to try the grille block next and double check to see if I do or don't have a block heater.

Best,

Andrew
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Re: Hypermiling the Ford Escape Hybrid ...

Debbie,

Thanks so much for that info about the Block Heater! I checked today and my FEH does indeed have the plug tucked up under the front plate just as you said.

Was cruising around today at 60kph (37mph) in EV mode--Immensely satisfying.

Best,

Andrew
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Re: Hypermiling the Ford Escape Hybrid ...

Hello,
I just got a new '08 Escape Hybrid and am loving it. I do a lot of highway driving in very mountainous country. I drive 60+ miles roundtrip just about every day and average around 30 mpg on the highway (31-32mpg on the way to town, 28-29mpg on the return trip). I am very pleased with the city fuel economy, the other day I was getting an average of 55mpg in town using some of the techniques mentioned here, though I can consistently average 45 mpg in town.
I had a couple of questions regarding highway fuel economy in particular. Going up steep hills, I have to keep the engine going at around 3,500 to 4,200 rpms to keep my speed at 60-65 mph (speed limit is 65) and the FE dips to 20 mpg or a little below. Going downhill, that immediately jumps way down to under 1,500 rpms, and my fuel mileage meter suddenly jumps to maximum. The mileage meter on the navigation system only goes to 60 mpg, and the sudden jump all the way to max that tells me that I may be getting better than 60 mpg while descending hills. Does the mileage gauge actually measure above 60 mpg even though I'm not seeing it? If it doesn't, would the average mpg the computer shows me be lower than the actual mileage I'm getting? Do you have any tips for maximizing FE for the type of terrain I drive in on the highway? How much better mileage can I expect once the vehicle breaks in (it has 380 miles on it now)?
Thanks very much for your help!
Craig

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Old 05-22-2008, 08:17 PM
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Re: Hypermiling the Ford Escape Hybrid ...

Hi Craig

Yes, the Max Econ is measuring your average above 60mpg, it just will not display your mileage above 60mpg unless your in the metric readout. Most of us use the scangauge that will confirm mileage up to 9,999mpg averages.

You are getting exceptional mileage with only a few hundred miles on your MMH, so keep up the good work. Try to stay away from RPM's between 3,000 and 3,500 climbing hills because the torque curve is flat in that area.

When climbing hills, keep your speed and RPM's as low as possible, and read about driving with load (DWL) on this site. Shift to "N" to glide down hills and use "L" to slow if needed. I recommend at least max 44psi sidewall tire pressure, but I use 50psi myself with great MPG and tire wear. Their are many other tips to improve MPG, so read some of our post in the Ford section and articles on the home page. We will be happy to respond to questions and learn how your doing.

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