User Name Password    
CleanMPG, Learn to raise fuel economy and lower emissions in whatever you drive.  
MENU
• What is hypermiling? •
CleanMPG to AAA:
• Hypermiling Rebuttal •
 
Home
CleanMPG Staff
Articles
Fuel Economy Forums
      • Register
Go Hypermiling!

   Car Reviews:

2013 Elantra GT

2013 Elantra Coupe

2013 Lexus ES 300h

2013 Mazda CX-5


2013 Lexus GS 450h

2012 Prius c

2013 Malibu Eco

2012 Hyundai Accent
   Bike and Gear Reviews:

HTC Thunderbolt

2010 R 1200 GS (A)

Kawasaki KLX250SF

Zero S


Aerostich Darien

Shoei Hornet DS

Honda CRF230L

Yamaha XT250


More Reviews
Gallery
Mileage Logs
 
CleanMPG Store
 
Calendar
Glossary
Garage
Files
 
Research
Related Sites
 
Archives
Arcade
 
Monthly Fuel Efficient •
Vehicle Sales Figures


ScanGauge with X-Gauge: $159.95

Pre-programming, a CleanMPG laser cut decal, and shipping included!



Even better value for members only is available in the latest SG-II w/ X-Gauge Group Buy purchase thread.



While we strive to provide only the highest quality information through our members' offerings, if you find the information provided valuable, please consider a donation so that we can offer an even better experience for the membership and guests well into the future.

Thank you

-Wayne Gerdes
Owner/Admin
CleanMPG



Home Fuel Economy Forums Gallery Mileage Logs

Register FAQ Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Go Back   CleanMPG Forums » Information » In the News


In the News News items that may be of interest. These show up on the front page.
Only Moderators may start threads, but anyone can respond to them.

Welcome to the CleanMPG forums.

Some posts may describe situations which may in some cases be unsafe or illegal in some jurisdictions. Please use common sense and consult your local laws to make sure you do not hurt yourself or others or break any laws.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view discussions, articles and access our other features. By joining our community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact support.

Honda CR-Z hybrid misses the mark

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-02-2010, 07:10 AM
Right Lane Cruiser's Avatar
Right Lane Cruiser Right Lane Cruiser is offline
Penguin of Notagascar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Vehicles: '12 LEAF SL, '02 Insight 5spd MT
Location: Coon Rapids, MN
Posts: 20,598
Honda CR-Z hybrid misses the mark

Two-seater isn't as sporty or fuel efficient as bigger competitors

http://www.cleanmpg.com/photos/data/501/2010_Honda_CR-Z_3.jpg
Mark Phelan - FREEP - September 2, 2010

Well deserved criticism or just another lash out from Detroit? --Ed.

The second law of thermodynamics is a bummer. In the broadest sense, it says that everything is getting worse all the time. Things break, your coffee gets cold. Chaos eventually triumphs over order.

Before you stick your head in the oven, there's a silver lining. The second law only applies to closed systems. An outside force can make things better. The intervening factor can be as simple as a waitress pouring fresh coffee to warm your cup or as profound as the human ingenuity that builds bridges and cures diseases.

Honda was once an extremely ingenious automaker, but each of its recent hybrid cars is less impressive than the one that came before.

Granted, Honda set a high standard for itself. It introduced the first hybrid gasoline-electric car to America with the two-seat Insight hatchback in 1999.

The revolutionary Insight would score 49 m.p.g. in the city, 61 m.p.g. on the highway and 53 m.p.g. in combined driving on the current EPA fuel economy test. The light and lively Insight was... [Read More]
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-02-2010, 09:04 AM
xcel's Avatar
xcel xcel is online now
PZEV, there's nothing like it :)
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Vehicles: Accord, Ranger, and anything else ;)
Location: Northern Illinois
Posts: 42,697
Re: Honda CR-Z hybrid misses the mark

Hi Sean:

Did Mark even drive the car? He added all the spec stuff on page one and the impressions on page 2 were short and he did not even mention the blind spots?

I like the car better than he did of course. If it does not match the HI-I/II yet offers the same FE as that of a Jetta, handles very neutral in accident avoidance and handles every day potholes and such with aplomb, what is his definition of a sports car and what is his definition of a hybrid. I believe there are a lot of gray areas between and he glossed them over while attacking its FE and its inability to take on a Nissan Z...

Still a good overall assessment as the interior is top notch but I think he missed its fuel efficient capability along with its passionate expression. Both of which I think the CR-Z provides in spades.

Nice find too.

Wayne
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #3   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-02-2010, 09:28 AM
msirach's Avatar
msirach msirach is offline
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Vehicles: 2000 Insight,2010 Insight,2010 Prius Solar,2012 Volt Premium
Location: Harrisburg, IL
Posts: 5,900
Re: Honda CR-Z hybrid misses the mark

I like the car. I think it could get some people in a sporty car that gets decent mileage. I haven't seen a final production interior yet. It sounds like they must have improved it.
__________________
Read The CleanMPG Primer!
Reply With Quote
  #4   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-02-2010, 11:00 AM
Nevyn's Avatar
Nevyn Nevyn is offline
Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Vehicles: '04 Hyundai Elantra (XD2 2.0), '03 Mazda MPV
Location: 18603, USA
Posts: 1,301
Re: Honda CR-Z hybrid misses the mark

I saw 'em the other day. They're puuuurrrrrty. That's all I can say for now; just looked at 'em in a close-range drive by.
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #5   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-02-2010, 11:09 AM
Butterfly Mage Butterfly Mage is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Vehicles: A sky-blue 2010 Insight-II
Location: In the #2 crime center of the United States. We're always trying for #1, but Detroit always wins.
Posts: 917
Re: Honda CR-Z hybrid misses the mark

I think I'll stick with my Insight-II. I'm averaging 51 MPG combined city/highway. Why lose 11 MPG *and* a back seat?
Reply With Quote
  #6   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-02-2010, 02:31 PM
Mendel Leisk's Avatar
Mendel Leisk Mendel Leisk is offline
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Vehicles: 2010 Toyota Prius Touring (2006 HCHII still in the family)
Location: Coquitlam, BC (Greater Vancouver Area)
Posts: 1,606
Re: Honda CR-Z hybrid misses the mark

Sporty hybrid, at the expense of fuel economy? Two seater? Those are two deal breakers, at least for me. That the Civic Hybrid continues to flounder, none delivered to Canada for 2010 model year, while they play around with this sport model: what the heck are they thinking?
Reply With Quote
  #7   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-02-2010, 04:06 PM
killer6795 killer6795 is offline
MazdaMiser
 
Join Date: May 2008
Vehicles: 2007 Mazda3
Location: Aurora, IL
Posts: 154
Re: Honda CR-Z hybrid misses the mark

I like this car. Is it practical? Nope? Does it get the best mileage? Strike two.

What I like is that it stands out, is (I'm assuming) quite entertaining to drive, and the number one reason for me; it comes with a 6 speed manual. I don't haul much, and I can certainly live w/out a back seat. Therefore I could totally see myself picking up a used example a few years down the road.
Reply With Quote
  #8   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-02-2010, 04:40 PM
xcel's Avatar
xcel xcel is online now
PZEV, there's nothing like it :)
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Vehicles: Accord, Ranger, and anything else ;)
Location: Northern Illinois
Posts: 42,697
Re: Honda CR-Z hybrid misses the mark

Hi Killer6795:

You are one of the few that has properly communicated what the CR-Z is all about.

It is far more fuel efficient than the 2010 Prius, HI or HCH-II when taken to its limits, is a whole lot more fun to drive then any of the three and for a single guy with no encumbrances, is a whole lot nicer to look at. When just tooling around w/out a care in the world, still offers excellent FE that few could possibly dismiss in the day and age!

Honda Is Entrusting CleanMPG With the 6-speed CR-Z For A Week

Good Luck

Wayne
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #9   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-02-2010, 09:15 PM
GreenBlues's Avatar
GreenBlues GreenBlues is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Vehicles: 05 HCH, 00 Insight
Location: Red state Wisconsin
Posts: 431
Re: Honda CR-Z hybrid misses the mark

Got to drive an auto CR-Z for about an hour while the HCHI was getting its oil changed. It is quite a car despite all the negativity. Took it on the hills and curves along the river. Very fun on the curves. Quite frankly I had to really force my self to cool it and try and get some good mileage during that short time. I pretty much got close to the steady state mileages that Wayne did on his extended trip. While in ECO mode, pushing the SPORT button was like the afterburner came on.

One thing we have to remember is that the Insight I was not a success in Hondas mind. I do not see them marketing a two seater that is not for the sporty market segment.
Reply With Quote
  #10   Submit to Clesto Submit to Digg Submit to Reddit Submit to Furl Submit to Del.icio.us Submit to Spurl
Old 09-03-2010, 01:58 AM
WriConsult WriConsult is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2007
Vehicles: '11 Elantra Touring, '00 bioTDI Golf, Bikes, Light Rail
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 5,302
Re: Honda CR-Z hybrid misses the mark

I could see this car getting a modest following here, especially if word gets out that it IS FUN to drive despite a 0-60 time that's far from sports-car territory on paper
__________________


My fuel economy page
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Ford EVs Connect with Portland, GM Swings and Misses Right Lane Cruiser In the News 6 09-09-2010 10:11 PM
MSF and Virginia Tech to study motorcyclist’s habits, near misses and accidents xcel In the News 0 04-04-2010 03:14 AM
Hybrid hits and misses Right Lane Cruiser In the News 0 11-12-2009 08:10 AM
Ford Fusion Hybrid and Comedian Mark Malkoff Set Off on Road Trip to Earn City Keys Right Lane Cruiser In the News 1 10-08-2009 10:43 AM
Toyota Hybrid Sales Break 2 Million Mark SlowHands Toyota 0 09-05-2009 10:01 AM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:55 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2006 - 2013, Clean MPG LLC. All Rights Reserved.